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Dec. 20th, 2021 01:16 pmTutorial 2: What are TNPs and how to obtain their position?
Uranian Astrology is less than 100 years old. TransNeptunian Planets (TNPs) were discovered by German Alfred Witte and Friedrich Sieggrün. At the time of the first discoveries, Pluto was not yet known, hence the name, TNP. Their physical counterpart (yet) unidentified, they may be regarded as etheric or astral bodies. However, since further planets are implicated in our solar system beyond Pluto, it would not be entirely unexpected if the first TNPs were identified in physical form in the future. Whatever they may be, they behave as normal planets (they even go retrograde) and their effect is most potent. When you look at your radix and transit Hades or Admetos placements, you will surely shout ‘Oh!’ in awe. They may explain your biggest difficulties in life that may not have been apparent in a conventional chart, no matter how hard you looked. On the other hand, each planet can be expressed at low and high levels (negative or positive manifestations). Perhaps, this is the point, where free will kicks in.
Many of the TNPs can be regarded as the higher octave of physical planets. Poseidon, for example, the TNP signifying spirituality and the realization of truth, is the higher octave of Neptune (the glyph also resembles Pisces). When standing by itself, it is pretty much free of negative manifestations. In combination with difficult placements, however, it may signify less positive manifestations.
https://uranusziasztrologi.wixsite.com/uranianastro/blog
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We will use David Icke as an example to understand how TNPs operate:
http://www.stateoftheart.nl/phenomenon/frames/subjects/theories/davidicke/bio.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
David Icke: born 29th April, 1952, 6:15 pm local time (5:15 pm universal time), Leicester, England (latitude: 52n38, longitude 1w05)
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Firstly, how to obtain the tropical (Western) chart with TNPs?
Input the universal time and geographical coordinates on serennu.com. If you did it correctly, you will get the following result for David Icke:
http://serennu.com/astrology/ephemeris.php?inday=29&inmonth=4&inyear=1952&inhours=17&inmins=15&insecs=00&insort=type&z=t&gh=g&addobj=55555&inla=52n38&inlo=1w05&h=P
Everything is neatly listed there, MC is the 3rd row now from the bottom and the 8 TNPs are somewhere in the middle. You can now add the TNPs to your chart by hand. (Note, some TNPs are called the same as some asteroids – not to be confused. TNPs are not asteroids and it’s unfortunate that different objects are called the same way.) You may ask serennu.com to provide the list as a ‘90° sort’, which is nothing else than a 90° dial in text format.
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How to get the sidereal (Vedic) chart with TNPs and what is the MC?
Please follow all the steps for tropical charts and deduce ~24° from all tropical placements for charts of the 20th-21st century to get the sidereal positions if you use Lahiri ayanamsa. With different ayanamsas, deduct the correct amount from all planetary positions. This will be the final, correct result, corresponding to the planets’ actual position in space. You may also ask serennu.com to display your sidereal positions.
What is the MC, the most important personal point in Uranian Astrology? (New material for Jyotish Astrologers, as MC is not used in the Vedic system.)
“The midheaven (MC or Medium Coeli, Latin for 'middle of the sky') is a point of definition in the ecliptic coordinate system. It aims to find the part of the ecliptic that corresponds to the highest point in a celestial object's apparent daily traverse of the visible sky, midway between its ascension on the eastern horizon and descension on the western horizon. The MC does not represent the point immediately overhead (our local zenith), but the point at which the local meridian intersects with the ecliptic. It marks the 10th house cusp in most house systems (this is reversed in the southern hemisphere).”
“In contrast, the Imum Coeli (Latin for ‘bottom of the sky’), IC, is the point in space where the ecliptic crosses the meridian in the north, exactly opposite the MC. It marks the fourth house cusp in most house systems (this is reversed in the southern hemisphere).”
The IC-MC axis is a very important in Western and Uranian astrology. The MC defines the core of the “I” ID-entity better than all other placements. Whichever planet (including the Sun, Moon and TNPs) is the highest in the chart (which means in closest conjunction with the MC) will define the individual. The same applies for plants in hard aspect with the IC/MC axis (more about had aspects in the next tutorial.) It is so potent that without looking at the rest of the chart, we will immediately know what type of person the native is. For example, a native having Poseidon tightly conjunct the MC will be highly spiritual and will have good rapport with his higher self (the “god-particle”). A native having Admetos conjunct her MC will be cold and inhibited (as negative expression) or firm and steadfast (as positive expression) and needs lot of time to get warmed up with other people.
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What are the differences in the interpretations of tropical and sidereal charts when using Uranian Astrology?
Slight difference will arise due to the location of 0 Aries and the ~24° shift between the tropical and sidereal zodiac. All other relative positions, aspects and interpretations will be the same. It is important to pinpoint that both systems are absolutely correct on their own. The tropical First (or Zero) Point/Degree of Aries is the location of the vernal equinox. Sidereal 1st/0 degree Aries is fixed star (constellation) based. Western astrologers can continue using the vernal-equinox-defined 0 Aries, while sidereal astrologers can continue using the star-based location of 0 Aries, as they prefer. The only difference will be regarding the planets culminating at the respective 0 Aries on the dials (will be explained later) that reflects world events and the native’s exposition in the public arena. If someone wants to know really well her soul’s incarnation map or a world event, she will study both the sidereal and tropical charts, of course!
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Visually, you can check whether you obtained the correct charts (both in South and North Indian format – without TNPs) by clicking on my facebook post on David Icke:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=232508527174611&id=164778163947648&substory_index=0
Note: True Nodes were used everywhere and a parallax Moon adjustment was computed for the tropical charts, so this will result in small differences when converting ayanamshas back and forth.
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Abbreviations:
AR - Aries Point, 0° Aries (0 Aries is also called 1° Aries)
CU – Cupido
HA – Hades
ZE – Zeus
KR – Kronos
AP – Apollon
AD – Admetos
VU – Vulcanus
PO - Poseidon.
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hard aspect (conjunct, in opposition, square, semi-square, etc) with another object or point. Similarly, look for midpoints and hard aspects to midpoints (all this will be explained in the next tutorials). Uranian Astrology is very precise and generally uses tight orbs (preferably < 1°), but a conjunction logically may deserve a bigger orb than a semi-square (45°) or as you deem fit. Of note, modern Uranian Astrology does not use houses any longer. Nevertheless, it is my personal experience that even the house positions of TNPs will be highly informative, no matter which house system is your favorite one. For instance, Hades in the 7th house can bring ugly experiences in relationships, Cupido in the 5th stands for lots of romance and family-oriented attitude, Apollon in the 8th may stand for occult sciences, etc.
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he region over which Hades presides is represented in the Ilias and in the Theogony as being within
the earth: in the Odyssey it is placed in the dark region beyond the stream of Ocean. Its name is Erebos; the poets everywhere describe it as dreary, dark, and cheerless. The dead, without distinction of good or evil, age or rank, wander about there, conversing of their former state on earth: they are unhappy, and they feel their wretched state acutely. Achilles, the son of a goddess, declares to Odysseus that he would rather be a day-labourer to the poorest cultivator on earth than a king in those regions. They have no strength or power of mind or body.
Some few, enemies of the gods, such as Sisyphos, Tityos, Tantalos, are punished for their crimes, but not apart from the rest of the dead. Nothing can be more gloomy and comfortless than the whole aspect of the realm of Hades as pictured in the Odyssey. It is in fact surprising, that men who had such a dreary prospect before them should not have been more attached to life, and more averse from war and everything that might abridge its period, than in the Greek Islands.
Uranian Astrology is less than 100 years old. TransNeptunian Planets (TNPs) were discovered by German Alfred Witte and Friedrich Sieggrün. At the time of the first discoveries, Pluto was not yet known, hence the name, TNP. Their physical counterpart (yet) unidentified, they may be regarded as etheric or astral bodies. However, since further planets are implicated in our solar system beyond Pluto, it would not be entirely unexpected if the first TNPs were identified in physical form in the future. Whatever they may be, they behave as normal planets (they even go retrograde) and their effect is most potent. When you look at your radix and transit Hades or Admetos placements, you will surely shout ‘Oh!’ in awe. They may explain your biggest difficulties in life that may not have been apparent in a conventional chart, no matter how hard you looked. On the other hand, each planet can be expressed at low and high levels (negative or positive manifestations). Perhaps, this is the point, where free will kicks in.
Many of the TNPs can be regarded as the higher octave of physical planets. Poseidon, for example, the TNP signifying spirituality and the realization of truth, is the higher octave of Neptune (the glyph also resembles Pisces). When standing by itself, it is pretty much free of negative manifestations. In combination with difficult placements, however, it may signify less positive manifestations.
https://uranusziasztrologi.wixsite.com/uranianastro/blog
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We will use David Icke as an example to understand how TNPs operate:
http://www.stateoftheart.nl/phenomenon/frames/subjects/theories/davidicke/bio.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
David Icke: born 29th April, 1952, 6:15 pm local time (5:15 pm universal time), Leicester, England (latitude: 52n38, longitude 1w05)
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Firstly, how to obtain the tropical (Western) chart with TNPs?
Input the universal time and geographical coordinates on serennu.com. If you did it correctly, you will get the following result for David Icke:
http://serennu.com/astrology/ephemeris.php?inday=29&inmonth=4&inyear=1952&inhours=17&inmins=15&insecs=00&insort=type&z=t&gh=g&addobj=55555&inla=52n38&inlo=1w05&h=P
Everything is neatly listed there, MC is the 3rd row now from the bottom and the 8 TNPs are somewhere in the middle. You can now add the TNPs to your chart by hand. (Note, some TNPs are called the same as some asteroids – not to be confused. TNPs are not asteroids and it’s unfortunate that different objects are called the same way.) You may ask serennu.com to provide the list as a ‘90° sort’, which is nothing else than a 90° dial in text format.
***************************************
How to get the sidereal (Vedic) chart with TNPs and what is the MC?
Please follow all the steps for tropical charts and deduce ~24° from all tropical placements for charts of the 20th-21st century to get the sidereal positions if you use Lahiri ayanamsa. With different ayanamsas, deduct the correct amount from all planetary positions. This will be the final, correct result, corresponding to the planets’ actual position in space. You may also ask serennu.com to display your sidereal positions.
What is the MC, the most important personal point in Uranian Astrology? (New material for Jyotish Astrologers, as MC is not used in the Vedic system.)
“The midheaven (MC or Medium Coeli, Latin for 'middle of the sky') is a point of definition in the ecliptic coordinate system. It aims to find the part of the ecliptic that corresponds to the highest point in a celestial object's apparent daily traverse of the visible sky, midway between its ascension on the eastern horizon and descension on the western horizon. The MC does not represent the point immediately overhead (our local zenith), but the point at which the local meridian intersects with the ecliptic. It marks the 10th house cusp in most house systems (this is reversed in the southern hemisphere).”
“In contrast, the Imum Coeli (Latin for ‘bottom of the sky’), IC, is the point in space where the ecliptic crosses the meridian in the north, exactly opposite the MC. It marks the fourth house cusp in most house systems (this is reversed in the southern hemisphere).”
The IC-MC axis is a very important in Western and Uranian astrology. The MC defines the core of the “I” ID-entity better than all other placements. Whichever planet (including the Sun, Moon and TNPs) is the highest in the chart (which means in closest conjunction with the MC) will define the individual. The same applies for plants in hard aspect with the IC/MC axis (more about had aspects in the next tutorial.) It is so potent that without looking at the rest of the chart, we will immediately know what type of person the native is. For example, a native having Poseidon tightly conjunct the MC will be highly spiritual and will have good rapport with his higher self (the “god-particle”). A native having Admetos conjunct her MC will be cold and inhibited (as negative expression) or firm and steadfast (as positive expression) and needs lot of time to get warmed up with other people.
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What are the differences in the interpretations of tropical and sidereal charts when using Uranian Astrology?
Slight difference will arise due to the location of 0 Aries and the ~24° shift between the tropical and sidereal zodiac. All other relative positions, aspects and interpretations will be the same. It is important to pinpoint that both systems are absolutely correct on their own. The tropical First (or Zero) Point/Degree of Aries is the location of the vernal equinox. Sidereal 1st/0 degree Aries is fixed star (constellation) based. Western astrologers can continue using the vernal-equinox-defined 0 Aries, while sidereal astrologers can continue using the star-based location of 0 Aries, as they prefer. The only difference will be regarding the planets culminating at the respective 0 Aries on the dials (will be explained later) that reflects world events and the native’s exposition in the public arena. If someone wants to know really well her soul’s incarnation map or a world event, she will study both the sidereal and tropical charts, of course!
***************************************
Visually, you can check whether you obtained the correct charts (both in South and North Indian format – without TNPs) by clicking on my facebook post on David Icke:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=232508527174611&id=164778163947648&substory_index=0
Note: True Nodes were used everywhere and a parallax Moon adjustment was computed for the tropical charts, so this will result in small differences when converting ayanamshas back and forth.
***************************************
Abbreviations:
AR - Aries Point, 0° Aries (0 Aries is also called 1° Aries)
CU – Cupido
HA – Hades
ZE – Zeus
KR – Kronos
AP – Apollon
AD – Admetos
VU – Vulcanus
PO - Poseidon.
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hard aspect (conjunct, in opposition, square, semi-square, etc) with another object or point. Similarly, look for midpoints and hard aspects to midpoints (all this will be explained in the next tutorials). Uranian Astrology is very precise and generally uses tight orbs (preferably < 1°), but a conjunction logically may deserve a bigger orb than a semi-square (45°) or as you deem fit. Of note, modern Uranian Astrology does not use houses any longer. Nevertheless, it is my personal experience that even the house positions of TNPs will be highly informative, no matter which house system is your favorite one. For instance, Hades in the 7th house can bring ugly experiences in relationships, Cupido in the 5th stands for lots of romance and family-oriented attitude, Apollon in the 8th may stand for occult sciences, etc.
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he region over which Hades presides is represented in the Ilias and in the Theogony as being within
the earth: in the Odyssey it is placed in the dark region beyond the stream of Ocean. Its name is Erebos; the poets everywhere describe it as dreary, dark, and cheerless. The dead, without distinction of good or evil, age or rank, wander about there, conversing of their former state on earth: they are unhappy, and they feel their wretched state acutely. Achilles, the son of a goddess, declares to Odysseus that he would rather be a day-labourer to the poorest cultivator on earth than a king in those regions. They have no strength or power of mind or body.
Some few, enemies of the gods, such as Sisyphos, Tityos, Tantalos, are punished for their crimes, but not apart from the rest of the dead. Nothing can be more gloomy and comfortless than the whole aspect of the realm of Hades as pictured in the Odyssey. It is in fact surprising, that men who had such a dreary prospect before them should not have been more attached to life, and more averse from war and everything that might abridge its period, than in the Greek Islands.