Saturn station 2024 + USA
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crimsoncurrentSaturn Retrograde Transit: June 29 - November 15, 2024
Saturn stationed retrograde at 19° Pisces 25' on June 29, 2024, and moved back to 12° Pisces 41' by November 15, 2024, when it stationed direct. This transit occurred in Pisces, spanning roughly 7 degrees over those months. In astrology, a transiting planet affects a natal chart through:
House placement: Where Pisces falls in the Sibley Chart.
Aspects: Any angles (conjunctions, oppositions, squares, trines) Saturn forms with natal planets or points.
Retrograde influence: Saturn retrograde emphasizes introspection, delays, and revisiting structural issues.
Step 1: House Placement in the Sibley Chart
With a Sagittarius Ascendant at 12°:
Pisces in the 3rd House: In the Placidus system (commonly used for the Sibley Chart), the 3rd house begins around 10°-12° Aquarius and ends around 10°-12° Pisces, but Pisces largely occupies the 3rd house. The cusp might be late Aquarius or early Pisces, depending on exact calculation, but 19° to 12° Pisces falls squarely in the 3rd house.
3rd House Themes: Communication, commerce, transportation, local governance, education, and the national “mindset.” Saturn here focuses on discipline, structure, or challenges in these areas, and retrograde motion turns the energy inward—reassessing how the nation communicates, trades, or educates itself.
If using whole-sign houses, Pisces would be the 4th house (home, land, roots), but for consistency with Sibley’s traditional use, I’ll stick with Placidus and the 3rd house.
Step 2: Aspects to Natal Planets
Saturn transiting from 19° Pisces to 12° Pisces could form aspects with the Sibley Chart’s planets (using a 8-10° orb for major aspects):
Square to Natal Mars (21° Gemini):
At 19° Pisces, Saturn is 2° from an exact square to Mars; at 12° Pisces, it’s 9°—both within orb, peaking in July 2024.
Meaning: A square is a tense, challenging aspect. Mars in Gemini in the 7th house represents the U.S.’s assertive diplomacy, military partnerships, or public conflicts. Saturn squaring it could indicate frustration, delays, or karmic consequences in foreign policy, trade disputes, or military actions. Retrograde might force a rethink of aggressive strategies or expose weaknesses in alliances.
Trine to Natal Sun (13° Cancer):
Saturn at 12° Pisces is exactly conjunct the Sun’s degree, and at 19° Pisces, it’s 6° off—tightening as the retrograde progresses.
Meaning: A trine is harmonious, suggesting Saturn lent structure or discipline to the nation’s identity and leadership (Sun in Cancer in the 7th). This could mean a period of consolidating national pride, refining partnerships, or steadying the government’s image, though retrograde might delay visible progress.
Trine to Natal Mercury (24° Cancer), Venus (3° Cancer), Jupiter (5° Cancer):
At 19° Pisces, Saturn is 5° from Mercury, 14° from Venus, and 13° from Jupiter (only Mercury is in orb). At 12° Pisces, it’s 12° from Mercury, 9° from Venus, and 7° from Jupiter—tightening toward the Cancer stellium.
Meaning: Trines to these 7th house planets could support diplomatic efforts, economic agreements, or public messaging, though retrograde might slow negotiations or force revisiting past deals.
Opposition to Natal Neptune (22° Virgo):
At 19° Pisces, Saturn is 3° from an exact opposition; at 12° Pisces, it’s 10°—strongest early in the retrograde.
Meaning: Neptune in Virgo in the 9th house ties to idealism, spirituality, or illusions in foreign affairs, law, and higher thought. Saturn opposing it could ground delusions (e.g., over-optimism in global standing) or challenge national myths, with retrograde prompting a sober reassessment of ideals versus reality.
No direct conjunctions occur, and other aspects (e.g., to Moon at 27° Aquarius) are too wide.
Step 3: Retrograde’s National Impact
Saturn retrograde in the 3rd house emphasizes internal review of communication and infrastructure. For the U.S.:
3rd House: Delays or scrutiny in transportation (e.g., supply chains, rail strikes), education policy, or media narratives. Retrograde might mean revisiting laws, trade policies, or public discourse that weren’t working.
Square to Mars: Tension in foreign relations or military overreach, with retrograde forcing a pullback or reevaluation of aggressive moves.
Trine to Cancer Stellium: Support for leadership and partnerships, possibly stabilizing the nation’s image or economy, though progress might stall until Saturn goes direct.
Opposition to Neptune: A reality check on national ideals—perhaps exposing propaganda, legal flaws, or foreign policy missteps.
Real-World Context (June - November 2024)
This period covers the run-up to the U.S. midterm elections on November 8, 2024, and the final months of Biden’s presidency (ending January 20, 2025). Based on trends up to March 12, 2025:
Elections: The 3rd house focus and Mars square could reflect a contentious campaign season—communication breakdowns, voter disputes, or transport issues (e.g., mail-in ballot delays). Retrograde might delay results or force recounts.
Foreign Policy: The Mars square and Neptune opposition suggest friction or reassessment in international affairs—perhaps stalled NATO talks, trade tensions, or a military pullback scrutinized publicly.
Economy/Diplomacy: Trines to the Cancer stellium might stabilize economic partnerships (e.g., trade deals with allies), though retrograde could slow implementation.
National Mood: Saturn in Pisces opposing Neptune might dampen collective optimism, forcing the U.S. to confront harsh realities (e.g., climate impacts, social divides).
Conclusion
Yes, Saturn retrograde in Pisces from June 29 to November 15, 2024, likely affected the U.S. Sibley Chart astrologically:
3rd House Transit: Highlighted communication, commerce, and infrastructure, with retrograde prompting delays or revisions—think election logistics or media struggles.
Square to Mars: Challenged foreign policy or public conflicts, possibly stalling aggressive moves.
Trine to Cancer Stellium: Supported leadership and partnerships, though retrograde tempered progress.
Opposition to Neptune: Forced a reckoning with national ideals versus reality.
Astrologically, this suggests a period of introspection and friction for the U.S., aligning with a pivotal pre-election stretch. Without specific post-March 2025 data, I can’t pinpoint exact events, but the chart implies Saturn retrograde tested the nation’s structure and resilience. Did you notice anything in late 2024 that felt like a Saturnian slowdown or reality check for the U.S.?
Saturn stationed retrograde at 19° Pisces 25' on June 29, 2024, and moved back to 12° Pisces 41' by November 15, 2024, when it stationed direct. This transit occurred in Pisces, spanning roughly 7 degrees over those months. In astrology, a transiting planet affects a natal chart through:
House placement: Where Pisces falls in the Sibley Chart.
Aspects: Any angles (conjunctions, oppositions, squares, trines) Saturn forms with natal planets or points.
Retrograde influence: Saturn retrograde emphasizes introspection, delays, and revisiting structural issues.
Step 1: House Placement in the Sibley Chart
With a Sagittarius Ascendant at 12°:
Pisces in the 3rd House: In the Placidus system (commonly used for the Sibley Chart), the 3rd house begins around 10°-12° Aquarius and ends around 10°-12° Pisces, but Pisces largely occupies the 3rd house. The cusp might be late Aquarius or early Pisces, depending on exact calculation, but 19° to 12° Pisces falls squarely in the 3rd house.
3rd House Themes: Communication, commerce, transportation, local governance, education, and the national “mindset.” Saturn here focuses on discipline, structure, or challenges in these areas, and retrograde motion turns the energy inward—reassessing how the nation communicates, trades, or educates itself.
If using whole-sign houses, Pisces would be the 4th house (home, land, roots), but for consistency with Sibley’s traditional use, I’ll stick with Placidus and the 3rd house.
Step 2: Aspects to Natal Planets
Saturn transiting from 19° Pisces to 12° Pisces could form aspects with the Sibley Chart’s planets (using a 8-10° orb for major aspects):
Square to Natal Mars (21° Gemini):
At 19° Pisces, Saturn is 2° from an exact square to Mars; at 12° Pisces, it’s 9°—both within orb, peaking in July 2024.
Meaning: A square is a tense, challenging aspect. Mars in Gemini in the 7th house represents the U.S.’s assertive diplomacy, military partnerships, or public conflicts. Saturn squaring it could indicate frustration, delays, or karmic consequences in foreign policy, trade disputes, or military actions. Retrograde might force a rethink of aggressive strategies or expose weaknesses in alliances.
Trine to Natal Sun (13° Cancer):
Saturn at 12° Pisces is exactly conjunct the Sun’s degree, and at 19° Pisces, it’s 6° off—tightening as the retrograde progresses.
Meaning: A trine is harmonious, suggesting Saturn lent structure or discipline to the nation’s identity and leadership (Sun in Cancer in the 7th). This could mean a period of consolidating national pride, refining partnerships, or steadying the government’s image, though retrograde might delay visible progress.
Trine to Natal Mercury (24° Cancer), Venus (3° Cancer), Jupiter (5° Cancer):
At 19° Pisces, Saturn is 5° from Mercury, 14° from Venus, and 13° from Jupiter (only Mercury is in orb). At 12° Pisces, it’s 12° from Mercury, 9° from Venus, and 7° from Jupiter—tightening toward the Cancer stellium.
Meaning: Trines to these 7th house planets could support diplomatic efforts, economic agreements, or public messaging, though retrograde might slow negotiations or force revisiting past deals.
Opposition to Natal Neptune (22° Virgo):
At 19° Pisces, Saturn is 3° from an exact opposition; at 12° Pisces, it’s 10°—strongest early in the retrograde.
Meaning: Neptune in Virgo in the 9th house ties to idealism, spirituality, or illusions in foreign affairs, law, and higher thought. Saturn opposing it could ground delusions (e.g., over-optimism in global standing) or challenge national myths, with retrograde prompting a sober reassessment of ideals versus reality.
No direct conjunctions occur, and other aspects (e.g., to Moon at 27° Aquarius) are too wide.
Step 3: Retrograde’s National Impact
Saturn retrograde in the 3rd house emphasizes internal review of communication and infrastructure. For the U.S.:
3rd House: Delays or scrutiny in transportation (e.g., supply chains, rail strikes), education policy, or media narratives. Retrograde might mean revisiting laws, trade policies, or public discourse that weren’t working.
Square to Mars: Tension in foreign relations or military overreach, with retrograde forcing a pullback or reevaluation of aggressive moves.
Trine to Cancer Stellium: Support for leadership and partnerships, possibly stabilizing the nation’s image or economy, though progress might stall until Saturn goes direct.
Opposition to Neptune: A reality check on national ideals—perhaps exposing propaganda, legal flaws, or foreign policy missteps.
Real-World Context (June - November 2024)
This period covers the run-up to the U.S. midterm elections on November 8, 2024, and the final months of Biden’s presidency (ending January 20, 2025). Based on trends up to March 12, 2025:
Elections: The 3rd house focus and Mars square could reflect a contentious campaign season—communication breakdowns, voter disputes, or transport issues (e.g., mail-in ballot delays). Retrograde might delay results or force recounts.
Foreign Policy: The Mars square and Neptune opposition suggest friction or reassessment in international affairs—perhaps stalled NATO talks, trade tensions, or a military pullback scrutinized publicly.
Economy/Diplomacy: Trines to the Cancer stellium might stabilize economic partnerships (e.g., trade deals with allies), though retrograde could slow implementation.
National Mood: Saturn in Pisces opposing Neptune might dampen collective optimism, forcing the U.S. to confront harsh realities (e.g., climate impacts, social divides).
Conclusion
Yes, Saturn retrograde in Pisces from June 29 to November 15, 2024, likely affected the U.S. Sibley Chart astrologically:
3rd House Transit: Highlighted communication, commerce, and infrastructure, with retrograde prompting delays or revisions—think election logistics or media struggles.
Square to Mars: Challenged foreign policy or public conflicts, possibly stalling aggressive moves.
Trine to Cancer Stellium: Supported leadership and partnerships, though retrograde tempered progress.
Opposition to Neptune: Forced a reckoning with national ideals versus reality.
Astrologically, this suggests a period of introspection and friction for the U.S., aligning with a pivotal pre-election stretch. Without specific post-March 2025 data, I can’t pinpoint exact events, but the chart implies Saturn retrograde tested the nation’s structure and resilience. Did you notice anything in late 2024 that felt like a Saturnian slowdown or reality check for the U.S.?