24 Pisces and UK and World History
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crimsoncurrenthow does this degree connect with the UK's 1066 and 1801 charts
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UK 1066 Chart (25 December 1066, 12:00 PM LMT, London)
Context: Marks William the Conqueror’s coronation, often seen as England’s foundational chart. Set at noon (speculative), it reflects the Norman establishment of a unified kingdom.
Placements:
No planets at 24° Pisces: The chart typically has Sun at ~4° Capricorn, Moon in Pisces (degree varies by time, often ~10°-15°), Ascendant in Aries (e.g., ~10° at noon), and Neptune (discovered later) not applicable then.
Closest Relevance: Moon in Pisces (if near 17°-18° with time tweaks) could align with 24° Pisces’ precessed position. Historically, Moon at ~12° Pisces is common for noon, shifting slightly with exact timing.
Connection to 24° Pisces Themes:
Rudhyar/Jones (Island Community): The Norman conquest created a “small island” of centralized power amidst a “vast sea” of Saxon fragmentation—William’s rule fostered interdependence, mirroring Rudhyar’s cooperative theme.
Wemyss (Neptune Dissolving): Conquest dissolved old boundaries, merging cultures into a Piscean tide.
Historical Resonance: The 1066 chart’s Pisces Moon (if near 24°’s precessed spot) softens its Aries Ascendant and Capricorn Sun, reflecting a nation born in conquest yet shaped by Piscean adaptability and collective identity (e.g., feudal unity).
UK 1801 Chart (1 January 1801, 00:00 AM LMT, London)
Context: Marks the Act of Union with Ireland, forming the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Set at midnight, it captures an empire at its peak, with Capricorn dominance.
Zodiacal Position: In 1801, 24° Pisces is still 24° Pisces in the tropical zodiac (precession shift is minimal, ~2° by 2025).
Placements:
Ceres at 24° Pisces: Exact hit in the 2nd house (resources, values).
Connection to 24° Pisces Themes:
Rudhyar/Jones (Island Community): Ceres at 24° Pisces in the 2nd house suggests nurturing through shared resources—Britain and Ireland uniting as a “small island” amid the “sea” of empire, though tensions (Irish unrest) lurk.
Charubel (Mirror): Imperial self-display—Britain’s grandiose image—fits Ceres here, but vulnerability to “designing persons” (Irish resistance, colonial critiques) echoes Charubel’s warning.
Sepharial (Rower in Storm): Rowing against the “storm” of Irish opposition and imperial strain—determination to unify reflects Ceres’ effort to sustain.
Kozminsky (Falling Rider): Overreach in empire-building (hasty union) risks a fall, as Ireland later secedes.
Carelli (Torch): Ceres ignites union, but its “dying out fast” foreshadows 1922’s partial dissolution.
Henson (Jellyfish): Subtle influence of Ceres—economic unity glows faintly amid Pisces’ imperial haze.
Bardon (Nasi): Psychic sensitivity to collective needs (Ceres nurturing) underpins the union’s intent.
Wemyss (Neptune Dissolving): Ceres at 24° Pisces, near Pluto (~3° Pisces), hints at dissolving old identities for a greater whole—fulfilled then undone by 1922.
Leinbach (Pool): Reflecting imperial ideals, Ceres seeks peace through wealth, though clouded by exploitation.
Sandbach/Lonsdale (No Mouth): Silent economic binding—no voice for Ireland—carries profound weight.
Janduz (Wrecked Ship): The union as a “wreck” waiting to happen—1822’s Irish exit looms.
Degree Theory (Sagittarius): Ceres at 24° Pisces gains Sagittarian expansion—empire’s vast reach, yet Pisces’ end nears.
Historical Resonance: Ceres at 24° Pisces in 1801’s 2nd house ties to Britain’s resource-driven empire—uniting for wealth, yet fragile (Irish secession by 1922). Pluto nearby amplifies transformation and loss, fitting Pisces’ late-degree themes.
Broader Connections
1066 vs. 1801:
1066: Pisces Moon (if near 24° precessed) aligns with foundational adaptability—Norman roots in a Piscean sea of change. No exact 24° hit, but thematic overlap (struggle, unity).
1801: Ceres at 24° Pisces directly activates the degree, embodying Pisces’ nurturing-dissolving duality—empire as both sustainer and mirage.
Transits to 24° Pisces:
Neptune at 24° Pisces (2016-2017): Brexit stirrings—dissolution (1801’s Ceres undone?) and identity shifts (1066’s Moon reimagined).
Pluto square 24° Pisces from Capricorn (2008-2023): Power struggles (financial crises, Brexit) challenge both charts’ Piscean elements—1066’s adaptability, 1801’s resource unity.
Pisces 24° in UK History: Late Pisces reflects endings and beginnings—1066 as a new England born from conquest’s “wreck” (Janduz), 1801 as an empire peaking before decline (Wemyss). Ceres’ placement in 1801 ties directly to 24° Pisces’ symbolic depth—nurturing an illusion that fades.
Conclusion
24° Pisces connects to the 1066 chart subtly via a potential Moon placement (precessed), symbolizing England’s birth in fluid unity and struggle, resonating with Rudhyar, Sepharial, and Wemyss. In the 1801 chart, Ceres at 24° Pisces anchors it explicitly—uniting Britain and Ireland as a “tiny island” (Rudhyar/Jones) or “wrecked ship” (Janduz), with Charubel’s vanity and Carelli’s fire marking imperial overreach. Degree theory’s Sagittarian lift suggests both charts’ Piscean moments aimed high—1066 to forge, 1801 to expand—yet faced Pisces’ inevitable dissolution. Does this interplay of resilience and fragility match your view of UK history through these lenses?
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UK 1066 Chart (25 December 1066, 12:00 PM LMT, London)
Context: Marks William the Conqueror’s coronation, often seen as England’s foundational chart. Set at noon (speculative), it reflects the Norman establishment of a unified kingdom.
Placements:
No planets at 24° Pisces: The chart typically has Sun at ~4° Capricorn, Moon in Pisces (degree varies by time, often ~10°-15°), Ascendant in Aries (e.g., ~10° at noon), and Neptune (discovered later) not applicable then.
Closest Relevance: Moon in Pisces (if near 17°-18° with time tweaks) could align with 24° Pisces’ precessed position. Historically, Moon at ~12° Pisces is common for noon, shifting slightly with exact timing.
Connection to 24° Pisces Themes:
Rudhyar/Jones (Island Community): The Norman conquest created a “small island” of centralized power amidst a “vast sea” of Saxon fragmentation—William’s rule fostered interdependence, mirroring Rudhyar’s cooperative theme.
Wemyss (Neptune Dissolving): Conquest dissolved old boundaries, merging cultures into a Piscean tide.
Historical Resonance: The 1066 chart’s Pisces Moon (if near 24°’s precessed spot) softens its Aries Ascendant and Capricorn Sun, reflecting a nation born in conquest yet shaped by Piscean adaptability and collective identity (e.g., feudal unity).
UK 1801 Chart (1 January 1801, 00:00 AM LMT, London)
Context: Marks the Act of Union with Ireland, forming the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Set at midnight, it captures an empire at its peak, with Capricorn dominance.
Zodiacal Position: In 1801, 24° Pisces is still 24° Pisces in the tropical zodiac (precession shift is minimal, ~2° by 2025).
Placements:
Ceres at 24° Pisces: Exact hit in the 2nd house (resources, values).
Connection to 24° Pisces Themes:
Rudhyar/Jones (Island Community): Ceres at 24° Pisces in the 2nd house suggests nurturing through shared resources—Britain and Ireland uniting as a “small island” amid the “sea” of empire, though tensions (Irish unrest) lurk.
Charubel (Mirror): Imperial self-display—Britain’s grandiose image—fits Ceres here, but vulnerability to “designing persons” (Irish resistance, colonial critiques) echoes Charubel’s warning.
Sepharial (Rower in Storm): Rowing against the “storm” of Irish opposition and imperial strain—determination to unify reflects Ceres’ effort to sustain.
Kozminsky (Falling Rider): Overreach in empire-building (hasty union) risks a fall, as Ireland later secedes.
Carelli (Torch): Ceres ignites union, but its “dying out fast” foreshadows 1922’s partial dissolution.
Henson (Jellyfish): Subtle influence of Ceres—economic unity glows faintly amid Pisces’ imperial haze.
Bardon (Nasi): Psychic sensitivity to collective needs (Ceres nurturing) underpins the union’s intent.
Wemyss (Neptune Dissolving): Ceres at 24° Pisces, near Pluto (~3° Pisces), hints at dissolving old identities for a greater whole—fulfilled then undone by 1922.
Leinbach (Pool): Reflecting imperial ideals, Ceres seeks peace through wealth, though clouded by exploitation.
Sandbach/Lonsdale (No Mouth): Silent economic binding—no voice for Ireland—carries profound weight.
Janduz (Wrecked Ship): The union as a “wreck” waiting to happen—1822’s Irish exit looms.
Degree Theory (Sagittarius): Ceres at 24° Pisces gains Sagittarian expansion—empire’s vast reach, yet Pisces’ end nears.
Historical Resonance: Ceres at 24° Pisces in 1801’s 2nd house ties to Britain’s resource-driven empire—uniting for wealth, yet fragile (Irish secession by 1922). Pluto nearby amplifies transformation and loss, fitting Pisces’ late-degree themes.
Broader Connections
1066 vs. 1801:
1066: Pisces Moon (if near 24° precessed) aligns with foundational adaptability—Norman roots in a Piscean sea of change. No exact 24° hit, but thematic overlap (struggle, unity).
1801: Ceres at 24° Pisces directly activates the degree, embodying Pisces’ nurturing-dissolving duality—empire as both sustainer and mirage.
Transits to 24° Pisces:
Neptune at 24° Pisces (2016-2017): Brexit stirrings—dissolution (1801’s Ceres undone?) and identity shifts (1066’s Moon reimagined).
Pluto square 24° Pisces from Capricorn (2008-2023): Power struggles (financial crises, Brexit) challenge both charts’ Piscean elements—1066’s adaptability, 1801’s resource unity.
Pisces 24° in UK History: Late Pisces reflects endings and beginnings—1066 as a new England born from conquest’s “wreck” (Janduz), 1801 as an empire peaking before decline (Wemyss). Ceres’ placement in 1801 ties directly to 24° Pisces’ symbolic depth—nurturing an illusion that fades.
Conclusion
24° Pisces connects to the 1066 chart subtly via a potential Moon placement (precessed), symbolizing England’s birth in fluid unity and struggle, resonating with Rudhyar, Sepharial, and Wemyss. In the 1801 chart, Ceres at 24° Pisces anchors it explicitly—uniting Britain and Ireland as a “tiny island” (Rudhyar/Jones) or “wrecked ship” (Janduz), with Charubel’s vanity and Carelli’s fire marking imperial overreach. Degree theory’s Sagittarian lift suggests both charts’ Piscean moments aimed high—1066 to forge, 1801 to expand—yet faced Pisces’ inevitable dissolution. Does this interplay of resilience and fragility match your view of UK history through these lenses?