HADES.MC

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what does this mean by arthur witte - Sorrow or damage through one's own actions. Hesitate to deal lazy.


You’re quoting Alfred Witte (often miswritten as Arthur Witte), founder of the Hamburg School / Uranian astrology.

The phrase:

“Sorrow or damage through one's own actions. Hesitate to deal lazy.”

is classic early 20th-century translated German. It sounds clumsy in English, but the meaning is sharper than it looks.

Let’s decode it properly.

1️⃣ “Sorrow or damage through one’s own actions”

This is self-caused difficulty.

Not fate.
Not enemies.
Not outside attack.

It suggests:

Acting prematurely

Acting carelessly

Acting out of ego or impulse

Or making a poor decision that creates consequences

In Uranian astrology, this usually appears under midpoint structures involving:

Saturn (restriction)

Mars (action)

Or hard combinations with Kronos / Hades types of themes

It’s cause and effect. You did something. Now you deal with it.

Bluntly: shooting yourself in the foot.

2️⃣ “Hesitate to deal lazy”

This is awkward translation.

The original German implies:

Reluctance to take responsibility

Avoidance of necessary effort

Delay due to inertia

Or half-hearted engagement

In modern language:

Damage happens because you didn’t act decisively — or acted without discipline.

It’s either:

Acting wrongly
or

Not acting when you should

Both are forms of self-sabotage.

Psychological Interpretation

This combination often describes:

Regret

Guilt

Poor judgment under pressure

Passive avoidance leading to consequences

It’s not tragic destiny.
It’s behavioral consequence.

That’s important.

Constructive Version (If Used Well)

If handled consciously, the same energy can mean:

Learning through mistakes

Developing self-discipline

Becoming cautious with actions

Taking responsibility instead of blaming others

Hamburg School astrology is very literal and often harsh in wording. It doesn’t sugarcoat.

If you tell me:

The exact midpoint structure (e.g., Mars/Saturn = Moon?)

Or the planet + degree involved

I can give you a much more precise interpretation instead of a general one.

Because in Uranian work, context is everything.

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Hades Opposing the MC (gunpowder plot)

Let’s interpret this in the clean Uranian system:

Hades (HA) =

decay, decline, rot, disease

poverty, deprivation, dirt

old, ancient, outdated

suffering, mistakes, corruption

deep past, roots, hidden filth

forensic detail, autopsies, the underworld

karmic residues

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Uranian meaning of HADES

Core words:

antiquity

decay / rot / disease / poverty

the past, the old world, old karmic debris

criminality, underworld, filth

secret things below the surface

humiliation, suffering

old wounds / inherited misery

“falling apart”

everything primitive, base, hidden or deteriorating

Its meaning always involves very old, corrupted, or decaying conditions.

📌 MC (Midheaven) in Uranian astrology

MC =

personal reality

one’s true inner state

the “what is” of the situation

the actualization point

the central axis of visible fate

When a trans-Neptunian hits the MC, it becomes part of the chart’s destiny formula, not just an event.

🔥 So: HADES OPPOSING THE MC =
“The reality (MC) is being confronted by extremely old decay, secrecy, corruption, and the karmic residue of the past.”

This is basically:

hidden rot rising

old sectarian hatred

the underworld / criminal element pushing against the state

disgraced energies aimed at the heart of government

inherited grievances coming to the surface

the old world (Hades) attacking the established order (MC)

In mundane charts, Hades–MC opposition frequently shows:

plots

betrayals

exposure of hidden rot

the return of something long-buried

suffering made visible

catastrophic karmic cycles coming due

⭐ Why this fits the Gunpowder Plot eclipse chart perfectly

Because the Gunpowder Plot was:

a secret underworld conspiracy

driven by ancient religious grievance

involving literal tunnels, underground barrels, hidden chambers

shaped by old Catholic-Protestant trauma

aimed at destroying the state’s MC: Parliament

and ultimately publicly exposed (Aries Point logic)

Hades opposing MC makes this eclipse feel like old corruption and ancestral violence forcing itself onto the state’s destiny path.

This is exactly the symbolism we expect.

⭐ BONUS LINK BACK TO ARIES POINT

Now the connection is clear:

Hades opp MC + Eclipse + Aries Point =

Hidden rot becomes visible in the world.
Old crises erupt publicly.
A secret underworld plot hits the public stage.

That’s the textbook manifestation of the Gunpowder Plot moment.

If you want, I can now look at:

MC = ZE/AP or other planetary pictures involving MC

Hades = Sun/Moon for the eclipse

The exact dial structures around MC, AR, Hades, Admetos, Poseidon

How the conspirators’ individual charts hit this eclipse

Just tell me which direction you want to explore.

“things no one wants to see”

MC (Midheaven) =

personal direction

life expression

external identity

fate in the world

one’s public interface

one’s “connection to the vertical line of destiny”

Hades opposite MC means:
1. Hidden decay or corruption in the background of the life direction.

Something “behind” the MC:

rot behind the public façade

something old/dirty/secret influencing fate

exposure of what was buried

2. A karmic or historical burden shadowing the MC.

Often ancestral wounds, past injustices, or old religious/social conflicts.

3. In mundane or political charts:

Hades opposing MC = corruption or decay reaches the leadership / ruling structure.

This is extremely fitting for 1605 England:

Old religious enmities

Secret plots

The legacy of Tudor persecution

The “dirty work” hidden behind the crown’s public image

Past grievances erupting into destiny (MC)

It also implies the public role (MC) becomes defined by confronting something Hades-like.

🌍 3. Combined meaning when you also consider the Aries Point

If a planet (or planetary picture) ties Hades → MC into the Aries Point, the interpretation becomes:

“Hidden decay becomes publicly visible.”

or

“Dark / secret / festering background issues erupt into the public sphere.”

This EXACTLY describes the Gunpowder Plot:

A secret network of grievances

Conspiracies formed in the shadows

Religious “rot” behind the political order

Suddenly made public when discovered

The “Hades opposition MC” in an eclipse chart means:

The destiny (MC) is forced to confront decomposition (Hades).
The nation must face what is rotting beneath the surface.

⭐ To Summarize Simply
✔ Aries Point = Public visibility, manifestation, world action
✔ Hades opposite MC =

hidden decay affecting destiny

exposure of corruption

old grievances undermining the public direction

karmic or ancestral shadow rising to the surface

Put together, this forms a perfect symbolic mirror of the Gunpowder Plot era.

If you want, I can now:
🔹 analyze Hades = MC/AR if that picture exists in your chart
🔹 check other Uranian midpoint pictures active in the eclipse
🔹 or do Hades on the angles (ASC/MC) for the Plot period charts.

Just tell me which direction you'd like next.