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The Eclipse of the Titanic
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Claude Latremouille11 years ago
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Like many astrologers interested in the mundane, the sinking of
the Titanic has always been for me a subject of curiosity. Were
there any remarkable astrological configurations presiding over
this famous disaster?
*
Long ago, I had noticed a solar eclipse. Although the ship had
gone down during the night of April 15, 1912, the eclipse was a
late comer: At 7:39 a.m., Halifax Time (AST), on Wednesday, April
17, 1912.
*
The question then becomes: Is this eclipse 'involved' in the
Titanic disaster? Happening more than two days later, it most
certainly could not have served as a warning sign for the
maritime event. Could it have been a witness to the aftermath?
The spreading of the news worldwide; the recovery and burial of
the bodies; the mourning of the various families affected by the
event; the accounts by the survivors of their horrific
experience; most of this might have occurred *after* the eclipse.
*
My experience of mundane astrology has shown me that it is not
the events, objectively considered, which are 'inscribed' in
planetary configurations, but the coverage they are receiving.
Put more practically: How can an unknown event be the product of
planetary configurations if no one knows of its happening?
*
The Titanic event can therefore be considered as *two* events:
The one lived by its passengers (the real event), and the one
which the world has learned since (the coverage of that event).
The eclipse of April 17, 1912, can only account for the second. A
few of its features: Conjunction Mercury-Sun-Moon in Aries,
square Neptune in Cancer, sextile Pluto in Gemini.
*
Perhaps it is that other eclipse, the one of the Moon, on April
1, 1912, at 6:04 p.m. (AST), which accounts for the tragedy.
Lying close to the horizon for the site of the sinking, Moon
rising, Sun setting, trine-sextile Jupiter in Sagittarius, that
eclipse shows a culminating Neptune in Cancer trine Venus in
Pisces. Its conjunction Mars-Pluto in Gemini is sextile Mercury
in Aries.
*
Certainly not enough to be useful as a warning for the accident;
but, after the fact, a few of its features (for instance a well-
aspected Saturn in the VIIIth House) can help reconstruct the
event of April 15, 1912.
*
Mundane astrology had also taught me that, for an event to
happen, it requires some so-called positive aspects, even though
the event is normally viewed as negative. Were there no
'constructive' aspects, the event would be prevented from
happening. So one ought not be surprized, when analyzing mundane
charts for disasters, to see therein many harmonious aspects.
They are just doing their job of 'making the event happen'.
*
Claude Latrémouille
April 7, 2012
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David Hecht11 years ago
PermalinkI always have thought that eclipses serve more as harbingers to be
triggered by subsequent aspects, especially conjunctions to the pivotal
points. Never the less, timing is one of the harder things to figure
given the difficulty in pinning down the appropriate context for any of
it.
~^.Saba Gracile.^~11 years ago
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...
A solar eclipse is unlikely to in itself create this type of ill fated
destiny.
The Titanic had Jupiter-Saturn crash theme in geo, helio and bad aspects in
declinations
and latitudes when it was launched. I would not have entered this ship.
Also Uranus is involved in this astrological disaster what would easily name
it
the most famous boat disaster in history. Remember helio charts usually
capture the fate of earthly matters more accurately. If you have
inexplicable
problems you might want to check out your helios.
I found at launch the Titanic had:
Geo natal: Mercury conj. Saturn (mercury Asc ruler).
Geo declinations: -Sun parallell Uranus and Neptune (a super famous ship
with a shocking fate)
-Jupiter,Saturn and mercury c.parallel (well the Saturn-Jupiter is again in
the picture)
-The nodes were in parallell to Saturn which dragged all those people down
with it.
Helio natal:
-Jupiter opposition Saturn square mars (this big thing going down by
mechanical injury?)
-Earth,moon quinkunx Saturn (hard fate for this earthly entity)
-Mercury conj. Uranus quincunx Pluto. (hardship,unforeseen mechanical caused
failure)
(Neptune is also quinkunxing the uranus-mercury conj ,orb about 5
degrees->most famous ship)
Helio latitudes: Earth,moon, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune, again this big
being is Uranus- Neptune aligned.
Pluto-chiron-Mercury was aligned as well as Mars - Saturn. (Souls deeply
shaken by this horrible destiny.)
S
Claude Latremouille11 years ago
PermalinkOn Fri, 27 Apr 2012, ~^.Saba Gracile.^~ wrote:
[...]
Post by ~^.Saba Gracile.^~
A solar eclipse is unlikely to in itself create this type of ill fated
destiny.
Quite true. In fact, for this type of misfortune, one can
think of many mundane charts which might apply.
As we are dealing with a ship, one might consider
1. The chart of her launch (assuming that more construction
was not performed after that).
2. The chart of her naming (if the champagne bottle ceremony
was indeed performed).
3. The chart of her surrender to a first owner (the White Star
Line).
4. The chart for the start of her maiden voyage at Southampton.
5. The chart of her leaving Cherbourg.
6. The chart of her leaving Queenstown for New York.
As one can see, many events can be considered for the purpose
of studying the fate of that ship. Theoretically, this fateful
voyage could have been interrupted at any time for many reasons
prior to the last event above. So, each step played a role in
the fulfilment of her destiny.
Not to mention the obvious, of course: that of the collision
with the iceberg.
But then again, everybody knows the time of the accident, but
it would appear that nobody knows the type of time used on board
the ship. So even armed with that famous 11:40 p.m. ship time,
April 14, 1912, one has no idea as to what that time meant.
Pity!
Claude Latrémouille
April 28, 2012.
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Saba11 years ago
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There is many time points to this story yes, but I
consider the launch of it onto the sea to be the birth,
which is the point I studied. The making and birth
of a human being also has many stages, but we don't
usually consider them. The prior days and the following
also had the same worrying aspects.
Espcecially that Jupiter-Saturn-mars t-square,
and many of the others were
tell tales of a non good launch time.
But good points you made.
S
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Claude Latremouille11 years ago
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Post by Saba
There is many time points to this story yes, but I
consider the launch of it onto the sea to be the birth,
which is the point I studied. The making and birth
of a human being also has many stages, but we don't
usually consider them. The prior days and the following
also had the same worrying aspects.
Espcecially that Jupiter-Saturn-mars t-square,
and many of the others were
tell tales of a non good launch time.
But good points you made.
S
Indeed, one ought to select a chart for the life of a ship
which matches that of a baby. An important difference between
a baby and a ship is that the birth chart of the baby deals
with that person. A ship, however, can be considered as a
physical entity, in which case her construction and launch
ought to take care of her chart; if, however, it changes
ownership from construction to maiden voyage, my view
would be that the change-of-ownership chart ought to be
considered, as this physical object becomes the property
of a given owner prior to her maiden voyage.
If the Titanic was not already owned by the White Star
Line during her construction and launch, then it became
'the baby' of the White Star Line only when it was acquired
by that company.
Prior to that, it existed, yes, but belonged to her
constructor.
On another subject, were you ever able to find out which
type of time was in use on board of the Titanic when it
sank, as all time references to these events speak of
'ship time'? Unfortunately, I was unable to find out
what was meant by this.
Thanks.
Claude Latrémouille
April 30, 2012
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Claude Latremouille11 years ago
Permalink*
Like many astrologers interested in the mundane, the sinking of
the Titanic has always been for me a subject of curiosity. Were
there any remarkable astrological configurations presiding over
this famous disaster?
*
Long ago, I had noticed a solar eclipse. Although the ship had
gone down during the night of April 15, 1912, the eclipse was a
late comer: At 7:39 a.m., Halifax Time (AST), on Wednesday, April
17, 1912.
*
The question then becomes: Is this eclipse 'involved' in the
Titanic disaster? Happening more than two days later, it most
certainly could not have served as a warning sign for the
maritime event. Could it have been a witness to the aftermath?
The spreading of the news worldwide; the recovery and burial of
the bodies; the mourning of the various families affected by the
event; the accounts by the survivors of their horrific
experience; most of this might have occurred *after* the eclipse.
*
My experience of mundane astrology has shown me that it is not
the events, objectively considered, which are 'inscribed' in
planetary configurations, but the coverage they are receiving.
Put more practically: How can an unknown event be the product of
planetary configurations if no one knows of its happening?
*
The Titanic event can therefore be considered as *two* events:
The one lived by its passengers (the real event), and the one
which the world has learned since (the coverage of that event).
The eclipse of April 17, 1912, can only account for the second. A
few of its features: Conjunction Mercury-Sun-Moon in Aries,
square Neptune in Cancer, sextile Pluto in Gemini.
*
Perhaps it is that other eclipse, the one of the Moon, on April
1, 1912, at 6:04 p.m. (AST), which accounts for the tragedy.
Lying close to the horizon for the site of the sinking, Moon
rising, Sun setting, trine-sextile Jupiter in Sagittarius, that
eclipse shows a culminating Neptune in Cancer trine Venus in
Pisces. Its conjunction Mars-Pluto in Gemini is sextile Mercury
in Aries.
*
Certainly not enough to be useful as a warning for the accident;
but, after the fact, a few of its features (for instance a well-
aspected Saturn in the VIIIth House) can help reconstruct the
event of April 15, 1912.
*
Mundane astrology had also taught me that, for an event to
happen, it requires some so-called positive aspects, even though
the event is normally viewed as negative. Were there no
'constructive' aspects, the event would be prevented from
happening. So one ought not be surprized, when analyzing mundane
charts for disasters, to see therein many harmonious aspects.
They are just doing their job of 'making the event happen'.
*
Claude Latrémouille
April 7, 2012
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
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David Hecht11 years ago
PermalinkI always have thought that eclipses serve more as harbingers to be
triggered by subsequent aspects, especially conjunctions to the pivotal
points. Never the less, timing is one of the harder things to figure
given the difficulty in pinning down the appropriate context for any of
it.
~^.Saba Gracile.^~11 years ago
Permalink
...
A solar eclipse is unlikely to in itself create this type of ill fated
destiny.
The Titanic had Jupiter-Saturn crash theme in geo, helio and bad aspects in
declinations
and latitudes when it was launched. I would not have entered this ship.
Also Uranus is involved in this astrological disaster what would easily name
it
the most famous boat disaster in history. Remember helio charts usually
capture the fate of earthly matters more accurately. If you have
inexplicable
problems you might want to check out your helios.
I found at launch the Titanic had:
Geo natal: Mercury conj. Saturn (mercury Asc ruler).
Geo declinations: -Sun parallell Uranus and Neptune (a super famous ship
with a shocking fate)
-Jupiter,Saturn and mercury c.parallel (well the Saturn-Jupiter is again in
the picture)
-The nodes were in parallell to Saturn which dragged all those people down
with it.
Helio natal:
-Jupiter opposition Saturn square mars (this big thing going down by
mechanical injury?)
-Earth,moon quinkunx Saturn (hard fate for this earthly entity)
-Mercury conj. Uranus quincunx Pluto. (hardship,unforeseen mechanical caused
failure)
(Neptune is also quinkunxing the uranus-mercury conj ,orb about 5
degrees->most famous ship)
Helio latitudes: Earth,moon, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune, again this big
being is Uranus- Neptune aligned.
Pluto-chiron-Mercury was aligned as well as Mars - Saturn. (Souls deeply
shaken by this horrible destiny.)
S
Claude Latremouille11 years ago
PermalinkOn Fri, 27 Apr 2012, ~^.Saba Gracile.^~ wrote:
[...]
Post by ~^.Saba Gracile.^~
A solar eclipse is unlikely to in itself create this type of ill fated
destiny.
Quite true. In fact, for this type of misfortune, one can
think of many mundane charts which might apply.
As we are dealing with a ship, one might consider
1. The chart of her launch (assuming that more construction
was not performed after that).
2. The chart of her naming (if the champagne bottle ceremony
was indeed performed).
3. The chart of her surrender to a first owner (the White Star
Line).
4. The chart for the start of her maiden voyage at Southampton.
5. The chart of her leaving Cherbourg.
6. The chart of her leaving Queenstown for New York.
As one can see, many events can be considered for the purpose
of studying the fate of that ship. Theoretically, this fateful
voyage could have been interrupted at any time for many reasons
prior to the last event above. So, each step played a role in
the fulfilment of her destiny.
Not to mention the obvious, of course: that of the collision
with the iceberg.
But then again, everybody knows the time of the accident, but
it would appear that nobody knows the type of time used on board
the ship. So even armed with that famous 11:40 p.m. ship time,
April 14, 1912, one has no idea as to what that time meant.
Pity!
Claude Latrémouille
April 28, 2012.
=== ***[Bad username or site: torfree @ net] ===
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
Saba11 years ago
Permalink
...
There is many time points to this story yes, but I
consider the launch of it onto the sea to be the birth,
which is the point I studied. The making and birth
of a human being also has many stages, but we don't
usually consider them. The prior days and the following
also had the same worrying aspects.
Espcecially that Jupiter-Saturn-mars t-square,
and many of the others were
tell tales of a non good launch time.
But good points you made.
S
Post by Claude Latremouille
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
Claude Latremouille11 years ago
Permalink
Post by Saba
There is many time points to this story yes, but I
consider the launch of it onto the sea to be the birth,
which is the point I studied. The making and birth
of a human being also has many stages, but we don't
usually consider them. The prior days and the following
also had the same worrying aspects.
Espcecially that Jupiter-Saturn-mars t-square,
and many of the others were
tell tales of a non good launch time.
But good points you made.
S
Indeed, one ought to select a chart for the life of a ship
which matches that of a baby. An important difference between
a baby and a ship is that the birth chart of the baby deals
with that person. A ship, however, can be considered as a
physical entity, in which case her construction and launch
ought to take care of her chart; if, however, it changes
ownership from construction to maiden voyage, my view
would be that the change-of-ownership chart ought to be
considered, as this physical object becomes the property
of a given owner prior to her maiden voyage.
If the Titanic was not already owned by the White Star
Line during her construction and launch, then it became
'the baby' of the White Star Line only when it was acquired
by that company.
Prior to that, it existed, yes, but belonged to her
constructor.
On another subject, were you ever able to find out which
type of time was in use on board of the Titanic when it
sank, as all time references to these events speak of
'ship time'? Unfortunately, I was unable to find out
what was meant by this.
Thanks.
Claude Latrémouille
April 30, 2012
=== ***[Bad username or site: torfree @ net] ===
=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
Continue reading on narkive:
SEARCH RESULTS FOR 'THE ECLIPSE OF THE TITANIC' (QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS)
16
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Why are people asking titanic questions?
started 16 years ago
movies
11
replies
which movie of leonardo came first? the beach or titanic?
started 17 years ago
celebrities
3
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What other important dates are on April 14, 1912 or close before apart from the Titanic sink age?
started 14 years ago
history
5
replies
who predicts that Eclipse will be a huge hit!!!?