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HARRY MEETS THE KING


Message: Amplify affectionate emotions in close relationships.
Sun Focus: You create harmony within personal relationships; you enjoy social
gatherings.
Affirmation: I am passionate, vivacious, and filled with love

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23 virgo sabian


The Sabian symbol for 23 degrees of Virgo is "An animal trainer". It speaks to the themes of mindfulness, patience, and gentle discipline in taming unruly or wild aspects of the self or others.
Interpretations of the symbol
Mindfulness and self-control: The image of an animal trainer suggests the practice of mindfully observing and managing one's own "wild" thoughts, emotions, and desires, rather than trying to suppress or eliminate them. It involves a patient, steady process of taming the inner world to achieve a calmer, more settled state of being.

Skill and discipline: Like an expert animal trainer, a person embodying this symbol has the skill to know when to be firm and when to relax their control. It's an awareness of how to blend keen precision with gentle and steady awareness.
Patience and communication: The symbol can also apply to human interactions. It highlights that a hard, dominating approach is ineffective. Instead, a person must use patience and respectful communication to understand another's perspective, especially when it differs greatly from their own.

Overcoming self-pride: In the sequence of Virgo Sabian symbols, this degree can represent the overcoming of "prideful self-love." By working with the wild or unruly aspects of oneself, one can achieve a more humble and responsible state.
Relevance to adversity: This theme of inner-taming is similar to the meaning of the I Ching hexagram 41, "Decrease." This idea suggests that wisdom can be found even during hardships or "decreases" in resources, as long as one maintains a simple, mindful practice.

Pisces 23 (22°- 23°). THE PRICE OF LIVING IS DYING Whatever we do PASSIONATELY puts us in harm's way "Notice how people suffer and ...

Labour spokesman Kyle links Farage with 'paedophiles'


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Pisces 23 (22°- 23°)
THE PRICE OF LIVING IS DYING
Whatever we do passionately puts us in harm's way
"Notice how people suffer and live in confusion"
Our grasp on the nature of reality is a blend of the intuitive and the taught, and if we want to establish the truth of our unique take on life then we have to substantiate that what we think or feel is true. In the New Age there are many hopeful people yearning for a new way forward and ready to grasp at straws believing in absurdities and trusting their untested intuition to an unrealistic degree. Such blind faith has more to do with blindness than faith. There are more charlatans and fools than there are wise and honest teachers and healers, and even the sincere leaders may not be fully awakened and be missing various pieces of the jigsaw. The real ones are typified by their willingness to serve, often expending significantly of their vital energies.

Rudhyar:
A "MATERIALISING" MEDIUM



A 'materialising' medium giving a seance

Sensitivity

Spiritist phenomena
We tend to make real whatever we imagine

The Spiritists were also called ‘sensitives’ – they were exceptionally open to subtle communications from non-physical realms, using Ouija Boards and mesmerism techniques. They teach that spirit reincarnates eternally.

We are all subject to processes that shape the mind and condition its perceptions. There is a need for care, because we can become negatively affected by the stream of difficulties, real or imagined, which life presents to us. As a result of the common pessimism brought to bear upon this mind-training process, confusion and instability are widespread disorders of the general population. Poor mind-management will always result in disorientation, and probably subjugation. The more sensitive we are the more important this becomes because there is danger of a degree of possession when we open up.
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Yet when we learn to handle the workings of the mind, we become capable of shaping all situations to suit our values and preferences. It is worth remembering that the mind is sculpted by more than just our thoughts – our feelings are also very influential.

This shaping is done by holding the attention continually upon the configurations of our chosen reality. We need to accept complete responsibility for creating the world in our image of how it should be – and only choosing to see that which reinforces our own positive world-view. This requires exceptional sensitivity, as we attempt to balance external phenomena with internal feelings and find the deepest understanding that links them.

We make real only what we imagine in detail. The forces that support creation need very clear instructions in order to mould specific versions of reality and – for better or for worse – what we hold in our attention becomes those instructions.

If this were not so, then free will and the organic integrity of the world would be compromised. In order to preserve the very orderliness of the universe, there must be a totally consistent relationship between inner and outer realities. The one is recorded within the contours of the mind, the other in the facts of our circumstances, as they unfold into the future.

This process can be expanded, it indicates the way in which we participate consciously in life eternal. We become sensitive to the reality in which there is no end to life, no end to mind – just an eternal continuity that enables us to participate in the immortal truth of being.
​Spiritist phenomena
Advanced Level: Elven Star Analysis
​Although we can find relevance in some way to all 360 degrees, each degree resonates particularly, and mysteriously, with the 6 other points of its Elven Star and clues, from the 7 Words System, and the Sabian Journey, are shown in the text below. This third degree of the Expression "Purification" is the Reconciling principle.

The scope of Pisces 23 is "Notice how people suffer and live in confusion", and its means of expansion is Leo 28 "Many birds on a tree branch". Its preferred path, Aquarius 2 "An unexpected thunderstorm", leads to its principle challenge, found in Cancer 6 "Game birds feathering their nests".

Awareness of its spiritual purpose is described in Sagittarius 11 "Lamp of physical enlightenment", which generates the feedback found in Taurus 15 "A man muffled up with a rakish silk hat" and thus the evolutionary gateway offered by Libra 19 "A gang of robbers in hiding".

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In a museum, paintings are admiring people as they pass by. (Omega Symbol) Interacting/Receptive

(Degree Angel: Damabiah (da-MA-bee-YAH) Fear of God, Fountain of Wisdom)

Everything we think and every product of our imagination has a life of its own. This degree is deeply aware of this fact and acutely senses the aliveness of even those things which materialists think of as inanimate. At best here is a vast and complete rapport with everything, which is the key to unending wealth. We are in the midst of our prosperity – all we need to do is see it and work with it.

The Chandra Symbol for this degree is “Someone lurking in a dark wood. They are waiting for a passerby.” Whatever we refuse to confront in the light of everyday will lie in way for us to grab us when we are most unsuspected and unaware. Because o f fear and apprehension its easy to interpret this symbol as a robber or attacker looking for a victim, but it might also be seen as someone who has a message for us, but who, for one reason or another, has not been able to make contact through the normal channels. At worst this degree may suffer from a continual undertone of apprehension. The antidote to this is to approach life with the attitude that everything that occurs is happening to teach one something. And to know that those parts of ourselves which have not yet been integrated into our consciousness are not enemies, but rather powers waiting to contribute their voice to the chorus which is us.

Pleiadian Symbol: At a séance the room fills with the scent of roses and a consoling female voice.

Azoth Symbol: In the heat of the summer, spiritual lessons quietly offered in the shade.

Seed degree: Capricorn 6. A woman inventing magical perfumes. (Omega Symbol). The scent of the perfumes awakens our sensitivity to formerly unseen realms and their denizens.

An ancient gold scarab lying in the sand. (Chandra Symbol). A precious gift the lurker waits to give to the stranger – or the one known long ago.

Fulfillment degree: Leo 30. A poetess wearing rings with large gemstones in them. She grasps her book of poems. (Omega Symbol). The life of whatever we create eventually gives back to us insights that lift us into the realization of eternal realities.

A woman sprinkling rose water in the four corners of a room. (Chandra Symbol). We come to meet our own karma, and then , whatever the nature of it, we eventually learn to give it the love that will raise us out of attachment to it.

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A MATERIALIZING MEDIUM GIVING
A SEANCE
Commentary: ‘A Materializing Medium’ has a sensitivity to and
awareness of spiritual forces. She is ‘Giving a Séance’, and can manifest
messages from spirit that are given from the “other side”. Roget's
Thesaurus defines ‘Medium’ as meaning “That by which something
is accomplished or some end achieved: agency, agent, instrument,
instrumentality, instrumentation, intermediary.” She is an “instrument”
who is able to receive radiations, frequencies, or vibrations that cannot
easily be sensed by most people.
Oracle: Many things can be ‘Materialized’ in our lives; they can come
seemingly out of nowhere. They may be messages, voices, noises,
stories or episodes from one’s life. Objects can be ‘Materialized’ as well;
we can conjure them up. Sometimes it can cause confusion, other times
enlightenment. Realizing that one can create their own reality and the
responsibility implied can lead to the belief that just about anything is
possible in one’s life. The things that are ‘Materialized’ can be tangible
and rewarding things, however, there should be some caution as
sometimes they can have more to do with drama and show rather
than having any real or lasting substance. Sit with any new impressions
you may be receiving until you understand the authenticity or depth.
If you have to do something or perform in front of people, rest assured
that with the right attitude and a little preparation there should be no
problem. You may have the talent and the ability to make things up as
you go along. Energy can feel as though it is coursing “through you”.
Notice the physical evidence that leads you to realize, see or “hear”
messages. Certain words standing out in a newspaper or magazine,
words of a song that bring messages, something special noticed in a
photo or other image, etc. Pay attention to these messages and allow
them to inspire you to connect with whatever and whoever is guiding
you. Aspects of personality can erupt, at appropriate or sometimes
inappropriate moments. How much is true in this situation and how
much is made-up or imagined?

Keywords: Spiritual channeling. A need to free up “stuck” or
earthbound entities. Efforts to materialize things. Coming straight
out with things. Giving voice to spirit. Tarot readings, clairvoyance
and clairsentience. Things seen ahead of their time. Bringing messages
from the other side. Contacting the dead.
The Caution: Putting on a false front. Merely doing a performance
for others. Making things up. Using mind control over others to get
a desired outcome. Using sensational methods to induce others to
give up control over their own lives. Exorcisms performed by the

Aquarius 22: OverviewOmega Symbol: A master healer is gradually restructuring someone’s body.
This suggests a process of transformation and healing that is deliberate, patient, and deeply attuned to the needs of the system being worked on. It emphasizes gradual change, requiring an understanding of limitations and how to work with them sensitively.
Chandra Symbol: A woman making lace.
This image evokes precision, patience, and intricate craftsmanship, symbolizing the ability to weave complex patterns and create harmony through delicate, intentional work.
Pleiadian Symbol: Children playing amongst scattered and diverse toys.
This reflects playful exploration and the ability to find joy and connection in diversity, suggesting a lighthearted yet integrative approach.
Azoth Symbol: Through a wormhole a man views the movements of a vast beautiful nebula.
This points to cosmic vision and the ability to perceive vast, interconnected systems beyond the immediate, physical world.
Degree Angel: Lehahiah (Obedience)
Emphasizes surrendering to a higher purpose or process, aligning with the theme of patient restructuring.
Core Themes: Healing and Transformation: The degree focuses on restructuring—whether physical, emotional, or spiritual—through careful, intuitive work.
Patience and Precision: Both the healer and the lace-maker demonstrate meticulous attention to detail and a respect for gradual processes.
Integration and Harmony: The symbols suggest bringing disparate elements together to create something beautiful and cohesive.
Cosmic Perspective: The Azoth symbol expands the scope to a universal level, implying a connection to larger systems and patterns.

Aquarius 23: OverviewOmega Symbol: In a catacomb, a room decorated with hundreds of skulls and bones.
This evokes a connection to the past, specifically to ancestors and the collective human experience, transcending death through a sense of unity and shared purpose.
Chandra Symbol: Ancient runes carved at random on gray rocks.
This suggests mysterious, timeless wisdom that may seem disconnected but holds profound meaning within the collective consciousness.
Pleiadian Symbol: A gorilla conversing in sign language.
This symbolizes bridging differences through communication, highlighting the ability to connect across species or realms in unexpected ways.
Azoth Symbol: A sacred text used to bless and heal.
This points to the power of sacred knowledge to uplift and restore, aligning with the degree’s focus on transcendence and healing through connection.
Degree Angel: Chavakiah (Reconciliation)
Emphasizes healing through unity and the resolution of differences, reinforcing the theme of collective connection.
Core Themes: Connection to the Collective: The degree emphasizes a deep sense of fellowship with all beings, past and present, transcending boundaries like death, race, or religion.
Timeless Wisdom: The runes and sacred text suggest access to eternal truths that guide and heal.
Transcending Limitations: The degree recognizes the illusory nature of boundaries and embraces diverse, seemingly random connections as part of a larger whole.
Love as a Connector: Love is highlighted as the force that unifies and sustains, especially in the face of mortality.

CommonalitiesHealing and Transformation: Both degrees focus on healing, though in different ways. Aquarius 22 emphasizes restructuring a specific system (e.g., a body) through careful, gradual work, while Aquarius 23 heals through connection to the collective, using love and shared history to transcend limitations.
The Azoth symbols (a nebula for 22, a sacred text for 23) both point to cosmic or spiritual tools for healing and understanding.

Integration of Diverse Elements: Aquarius 22’s lace-making and playful children suggest weaving together or finding harmony in diversity, while Aquarius 23’s runes and catacomb imagery integrate the past and present into a cohesive sense of humanity.
Both degrees work with complex systems—whether the intricate patterns of lace or the vast collective consciousness—seeking to create unity and meaning.

Patience and Perspective: Aquarius 22 requires patience in the slow, deliberate process of restructuring or crafting. Aquarius 23 demands a long view, seeing beyond death and time to recognize eternal connections.
Both degrees call for a broad perspective, whether it’s the cosmic vision of a nebula (22) or the timeless wisdom of runes (23).

Transcendence of Limitations: Aquarius 22 works within limitations to transform them, respecting the integrity of the system. Aquarius 23 transcends limitations entirely, viewing boundaries like death or separation as illusions.
Both degrees align with Aquarius’ innovative, forward-thinking energy, seeking to push beyond the conventional.

Connection to Higher Purpose: The Degree Angels (Lehahiah for obedience, Chavakiah for reconciliation) suggest alignment with a higher purpose. Aquarius 22 obeys the process of transformation, while Aquarius 23 reconciles differences through love and collective awareness.

DifferencesFocus of Transformation: Aquarius 22: Focuses on individual or specific transformation (e.g., restructuring a body, crafting lace). The process is intimate, detailed, and grounded in the present.
Aquarius 23: Emphasizes collective and timeless transformation, connecting to the past and the universal through symbols of death (catacomb) and wisdom (runes). It’s less about the individual and more about the greater whole.

Imagery and Tone: Aquarius 22: The imagery (healer, lace, children, nebula) is active, creative, and forward-looking, with a sense of ongoing work and playful exploration. The tone is optimistic and focused on crafting beauty.
Aquarius 23: The imagery (catacomb, skulls, runes, gorilla) is somber, mysterious, and reflective, evoking mortality, ancient wisdom, and unexpected connections. The tone is introspective and transcendent.

Approach to Connection: Aquarius 22: Connects through deliberate, hands-on work, like a healer or lace-maker creating harmony through skill and focus. The Pleiadian symbol of children playing suggests a joyful, inclusive approach.
Aquarius 23: Connects through spiritual and emotional unity, embracing the collective across time and space. The gorilla conversing in sign language highlights communication across differences, emphasizing reconciliation.

Scope of Vision: Aquarius 22: Operates on a microcosmic level, focusing on specific systems (a body, a piece of lace) with a cosmic backdrop (nebula). The transformation is tangible and immediate.
Aquarius 23: Operates on a macrocosmic level, encompassing all of humanity and beyond, with a focus on eternal truths and the transcendence of death.

Role of Love: Aquarius 22: Love is implicit in the care and patience of the healer or lace-maker, but it’s not explicitly stated. The focus is on skill and process.
Aquarius 23: Love is explicitly central, described as the “true connector” that unifies across boundaries, especially in the face of mortality (fulfillment degree: “Love steadies a man’s irregular heartbeat”).

Synthesis

Common Thread: Both Aquarius 22 and 23 are about healing, integration, and transcending limitations through a deep understanding of systems—whether individual (22) or collective (23). They reflect Aquarius’ visionary, innovative energy, seeking to create harmony and meaning through connection and transformation.
Key Differences: Aquarius 22 is practical, patient, and focused on specific, tangible change, while Aquarius 23 is mystical, collective, and concerned with timeless unity. The former works within boundaries to transform them; the latter sees boundaries as illusions to be transcended.
Astrological Context: As consecutive degrees in Aquarius, they represent a progression: Aquarius 22 lays the groundwork through careful restructuring, preparing for Aquarius 23’s broader realization of collective unity and eternal wisdom. Together, they embody Aquarius’ dual focus on individual innovation and universal connection.

If you’d like a deeper dive into specific symbols, their astrological connections (e.g., seed or fulfillment degrees), or a comparison with Virgo 22, let me know!

explore Elven Star connections

compare with Pisces degrees

. A library is burning. A man therein continues to read. (Omega Symbol) Interacting/Receptive

(Degree Angel: Reiyel (RAY-ee-YEL) Removing Hatred, Liberation, Helps to remove obstacles and impediments, and to live in a universe without boundaries)

You are not about to allow anything to stand in your way. No matter how chaotic life becomes, and no matter what crises may arise, you are able to follow through on your agendas and hold to your center. When enough is enough, though, and its time to change or shift focus, you have the ability to do this as well.

The Chandra Symbol for this degree is “Giant cacti blooming in the desert.” Just as the man of the Omega Symbol refuses to have his reading interrupted by the fire which has broken out in the library, the cacti will not allow their desire to bloom be stopped by their harsh environment. This degree has the ability to thrive and blossom in harsh conditions and/or unsupportive environments. It will find what it needs, figure out a way to sustain itself, learn what it is driven to learn, and bring forth its own unique wisdom, even if this takes some time. This degree is about the deep and thorough assimilation of specifically required wisdom that eventually allows the self to know and be who it is.

Pleiadian Symbol: A sinuous woman in black who is an adept in cat magic.

Azoth Symbol: An alchemist in a cave digging out a shining black vein of hematite.

Seed degree: Sagittarius 30. By time traveling a man takes a photograph of dinosaurs. (Omega Symbol). When we can tap deeply into the past we lose our sense of urgency, for we become aware that the reaching of our goals is inevitable, and that, on a deeper level, we are already there.

The completion of a large Persian rug. (Chandra Symbol). When we come to the end of anything, we realize that the completion always constitutes a flowering of some sort, and is an affirmation of life.

Fulfillment degree: Leo 15. An ancient text, long kept secret, is revealed to the public. (Omega Symbol). Maintaining our focus and learning to be undisturbed by seeming crises, we are able to foster great revelations.

A woman with many different colored rings on her fingers. (Chandra Symbol). When we set our mind on thriving, even in the most difficult of situations, we draw to ourselves those energies which will enhance and strengthen our life force.

Oracle

Out of the corners of his eyes he saw the flames, and could smell the smoke, and hear the distant sirens. But he was reading “The Complete History of Waterfalls,” wouldn't that protect him?


The 23
Clarifications and Assumptions
Source: Charles Lonsdale’s interpretation is from Inside Degrees: Developing Your Soul Biography Using the Chandra Symbols (1997), providing esoteric, soul-focused interpretations for each degree. Lonsdale’s style is poetic and karmic, distinct from Sandbach’s structured Omega/Chandra/Pleiadian/Azoth symbols.

23 Virgo: The degree of the March 14, 2025, Lunar Eclipse, emphasizing practical mastery, service, and refinement in Virgo’s stubborn third decan (Venus/Taurus influence)

Virgo interpretation, from John Sandbach’s The Circular Temple, portrays a powerful blend of resilience, focus, and transformative mastery through the Omega symbol (A library is burning. A man therein continues to read.) and Chandra symbol (Giant cacti blooming in the desert.). These emphasize Virgo’s ability to thrive amidst chaos or adversity, with the Pleiadian (cat magic) and Azoth (hematite) symbols adding mystical and alchemical depth. The Degree Angel Reiyel supports liberation from obstacles,

MAY 2nd 2025

Don’t you get it, Harry? You’re not a victim. You’re a rich man who can pay for his own sodding security | Marina Hyde

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/06/prince-harry-security-royal-family


Solar Arc MC (27 07 sag) semi-sq Saturn (12 50 sc) - MC Octile Saturn 0°42’

Saturn transit square Harry SUN

It's worth reading the beginning of Rudhyar's description of Harry's currently beleaguered Sun Sabian - 23 Virgo

We see here the development of the concept of training. The true aristocrat is the individual who is in complete control of his vital and emotional energies; at the spiritual level this includes the overcoming of pride — pride in one's strength and mastery, and the pride attached to an exalted status or social Office.

We nee to find out why Harry's Solar (energy, leadership, ego/inadequacy) and Saturnian (self discipline) are flawed and seemingly misjudged.

Sun’s Role: The Sun represents the core identity and leadership.
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HARRY -ECLIPSE COMPOSITE

Sol/Hades 24 Gem square Jup 24 Pi

Mo 23/Vul 24 canc square Apollon 24 li




on May 2nd, 2025 - LOSES case gives ANGRY interview

90 Dial Chart -

KNONOS(mar) square ASCENDANT/APOLLON

The Kronos square to Apollon/Ascendant half-sum could manifest in other ways:
Striving for Independence: Harry might feel driven to establish his own “kingdom” or legacy outside the royal family, where he can exercise authority (Kronos) without the restrictions of his birth role.

Public Perception vs. Inner Authority: He may struggle with how the public perceives his leadership potential, feeling that his true capabilities are misunderstood or undervalued.

Conflict with Authority Figures: Kronos can also represent external authority figures (e.g., the royal institution). The square might indicate tension between Harry’s desire for expansive success and the constraints imposed by those in power.




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IN HIS NATAL CHART

MER/APOLLON = SUN

Success and experiences in the time of YOUTH. BROAD encompassing
thinking. Far-reaching thoughts. To speak several languages.
To TALK about one's successes. Linguistic talent. Faculty of speech.
Vainglorious. Successful orator or author. To brag.
Success and experiences in the time of youth. Broad encompassing
thinking. Far-reaching thoughts. To speak several languages. To talk
much.
To talk about one's successes. Linguistic talent. Faculty of speech.
Vainglorious. Successful orator or author. To brag.

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Proserpina/Lilith on Aries Point


PROSERPINA (26): Separation anxiety; leaving; going away; what you believe will happen if “mother's not there to take care of you;” the conditions you attract as you approach a transition or separation, caught between two families/people, used as a go between. Innocent and Naive/Ignorant.

Aries 23. A painting with countless layers of paint. (Omega Symbol) Interacting/Receptive

(Degree Angel: MELAHEL (MAY-la-HEL) Sharing the Flame, Healing Capacity)

You have a great ability to keep experimenting with a situation until you have found a way to make it work. You’re always open to the potential of change, knowing that nothing is set in stone, and even if it seems to be, stone, too, can be re-carved. Everything is open to modification and experimentation, and knowing this is your strength.

The Chandra Symbol for this degree is “A bottle labeled 'drink me.'” The bottle asks you to try something whose results you won't know until you do it, just as the painter applies successive layers of paint to see what will happen. We tend to think its good to be careful – but not always. This degree has a refreshing lack of caution that most often carries it to surprising and wondrous places.

Pleiadian Symbol: A gentle woman carrying an immense soap bubble.

Azoth Symbol: A man decides to spend the rest of his life in sight of a range of sacred mountains.

Seed Degree: Sagittarius 25. An old book that no one has ever read. (Omega Symbol). Through becoming aware of what is hidden we realize that it is actually always lurking beneath and influencing our life – even when we are not directly aware of it.

A small boat with no one in it. It is gradually drifting out to sea. (Chandra Symbol). When we relax and let go of expectations we find that the currents of life carry us into unexpected adventures.

Fulfillment Degree: Aquarius 2. An alchemist trying to capture a spirit in the forest. (Omega Symbol). Through continually reworking and rethinking our approaches to life and its challenges we are driven to connect with our creative genius – and the fleeting inspiration of the moment.

A woman strolling in a garden.She is unaware that she is being watched by elves. (Chandra Symbol)

Oracle

Other paintings were under the surface, so many no one knew how many. The canvas was a repository of hidden paintings, a haven where they could live a life of their own far from the eyes of those who might change them with their limiting expectations and assumptions. The surface felt all this hidden joy and contentment, which reflected mysteriously and ineffably in its surface. And in time those who looked carefully felt they could see beyond the surface barrier, into these realms of secret pleasures.

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John Sandbach’s Interpretation of Aries 23 (22°00’–22°59’ Aries)
Sandbach’s symbols for Aries 23 highlight experimentation, adaptability, and uncovering hidden potential, with the Degree Angel Melahel (Healing Capacity) suggesting a restorative quality to creative risks. Below is a detailed explanation:
Omega Symbol: “A painting with countless layers of paint.” (Interacting/Receptive)
Meaning: This image depicts a canvas built up through repeated revisions, each layer hiding previous versions. It reflects Aries’ bold, iterative approach to creation, where mistakes are covered, and new ideas emerge. The “Interacting/Receptive” quality suggests engaging actively with the process while remaining open to what unfolds. Sandbach emphasizes persistence—reworking situations until they succeed—highlighting flexibility and the belief that nothing is final. The hidden layers symbolize depth, holding unseen possibilities that enrich the surface.

Implication: This symbol encourages embracing change without fear of failure. It’s about trusting the process, knowing each layer adds value, even if not immediately visible. The painting’s depth suggests a richness gained through trial and error, rewarding those who keep experimenting.

Chandra Symbol: “A bottle labeled ‘drink me.’”
Meaning: Drawn from Alice in Wonderland, this symbol invites daring exploration into the unknown. The bottle’s label prompts action without guaranteed outcomes, embodying Aries’ impulsive courage. Sandbach describes a “refreshing lack of caution,” where leaping into uncertainty leads to unexpected discoveries. It suggests trusting intuition over overthinking, though it carries a risk of recklessness if unchecked.

Implication: The bottle urges boldness, encouraging one to seize opportunities and learn from results. It’s about embracing life’s mysteries, where the act of trying reveals new paths, fostering growth through adventurous choices.

Sandbach’s Commentary:
Sandbach underscores the strength of adaptability—nothing is set in stone, and even stone can be reshaped. The degree reflects Aries’ drive to experiment relentlessly, finding solutions through action. The painting’s layers and the bottle’s invitation both suggest progress comes from staying open to revision and risk, with Melahel’s healing capacity aiding recovery from missteps.

Additional Symbols:
Pleiadian Symbol: “A gentle woman carrying an immense soap bubble.” This delicate balance highlights the care needed to sustain bold creations, preserving their fleeting potential.

Azoth Symbol: “A man decides to spend the rest of his life in sight of a range of sacred mountains.” This reflects a commitment to enduring inspiration, grounding experimentation in purpose.

Oracle:
The hidden paintings beneath the surface hold a secret joy, reflected subtly in the visible layer. Those who look closely sense the depth, connecting with the canvas’s untold stories. This suggests exploration rewards insight, uncovering richness beyond the obvious.

Addressing Libra 8 (7°00’–7°59’ Libra) with Sandbach’s Symbols
Since your prior question focused on Libra 8, you might have intended that degree instead of Aries 23. To ensure I cover your interest, here’s Sandbach’s interpretation of Libra 8, briefly, without assuming connections to other themes:
Omega Symbol: “In the middle of a forest, a great white owl blinking.”
Meaning: A wise observer watches quietly amidst complexity, symbolizing Libra’s quest for clarity in relationships. The owl’s blinking suggests deliberate, thoughtful perception, discerning value in chaos.

Implication: This encourages balanced insight, finding harmony by observing carefully rather than reacting hastily, ideal for navigating social dynamics.

Chandra Symbol: “A vast junkyard.”
Meaning: A chaotic collection of discarded items invites sifting for worth, reflecting Libra’s ability to salvage harmony from relational debris. It’s about finding beauty or utility in what’s overlooked.

Implication: This promotes patience and discernment, restoring balance by recognizing potential in challenging situations.

Commentary: Sandbach sees Libra 8 as a degree of wisdom and resourcefulness, balancing observation (owl) with action (junkyard), fostering harmony through careful assessment.

Comparing Aries 23 and Libra 8
Aries 23: Dynamic and proactive, it emphasizes bold experimentation (painting, bottle), ideal for initiating change and embracing uncertainty. It suits solo or pioneering efforts.



Both degrees value discovery—Aries through action, Libra through insight—but differ in approach, reflecting their signs’ core traits.

Conclusion
For Aries 23, Sandbach’s symbols ("A painting with countless layers of paint" and "A bottle labeled ‘drink me'") celebrate relentless creativity and BOLD LEAPS leaps into the UNKNOWN, with Melahel’s healing capacity supporting growth through trial and error. The painting’s layers reward persistence, while the bottle invites transformative risks, both embodying Aries’ pioneering spirit.

Tropical Interpretations: 23° Aquarius (22°00' - 22°59')
Degree Theory (Nikola Stojanovic)
Interpretation: 23° = Aquarius (zodiac doubles at 23°)—pure Aquarian energy: innovation, detachment, rebellion. In Aquarius, this amplifies eccentricity, visionary freedom, and collective focus, but risks aloofness or extremism.

Key Themes: Radical vision, pure independence, potential coldness.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter in Cancer trines—radical reforms soar (e.g., "Tech Freedom Peaks").

Blain Bovee
Symbol: "A big bear sitting down and waving all its paws" (The Sabian Symbols, not in document).

Interpretation: “Playful power… strength dances free.” Bovee sees this as quirky authority—Aquarius’s eccentricity expresses itself boldly. Risks: overacting, lack of seriousness.

Key Themes: Playful strength, bold expression, quirky command.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter trine—bold, odd leaders shine (e.g., "Eccentric Policy Wins").

John Sandbach
Chandra Symbol: "A bear with cubs" (The Circular Temple, not in document).

Omega Symbol: "A woman making lace."

Interpretation: Chandra: Protective innovation—Aquarius nurtures its creations. Omega: Delicate craft—vision weaves intricacy. Risks: overprotection, fragility.

Key Themes: Protective vision, intricate care, communal craft.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—protective reforms weave success (e.g., "Community Nets Grow").

Ellias Lonsdale
Symbol: "A bear with cubs" (Inside Degrees, p. 619 in document).

Interpretation: “Fierce mother… soul guards its tender sparks.” Lonsdale frames this as primal defense—Aquarius’s vision fiercely shelters its ideals. Risks: isolation, ferocity.

Key Themes: Fierce nurture, soulful guard, wild vision.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter trine—protective ideals rise (e.g., "Activists Shield Future").

Marc Edmund Jones
Symbol: "A big bear sitting down and waving all its paws" (The Sabian Symbols, p. 385 in document via Elsie Wheeler).

Interpretation: Jones sees this as trained power—Aquarius’s individuality masters its strength playfully. Risks: over-display, lack of depth.

Key Themes: Trained strength, bold play, mastered quirk.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—trained reforms charm (e.g., "Policy Dances Forward").

Isidore Kozminsky
Symbol: "A gigantic figure of the god Mars, standing upon a desert plain holding a sword above his head" (Zodiacal Symbology, p. 337 in document).

Interpretation: Martial might—Aquarius’s rebellion wields bold force. Risks: aggression, barrenness. Mercury influence: sharp mind.

Key Themes: Bold force, martial vision, stark power.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—aggressive innovation (e.g., "Tech War Escalates").

Dane Rudhyar
Symbol: "A big trained bear sitting on a chair, performing" (An Astrological Mandala, p. 531 in document).

Interpretation: “Strength tamed… nature bends to will.” Rudhyar views this as disciplined potential—Aquarius’s wildness refines itself. Keynote: crystallization of experience. Risks: artificiality, loss of instinct.

Key Themes: Disciplined power, tamed vision, refined strength.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—disciplined shifts (e.g., "Reform Masters Chaos").

Sepharial
Symbol: "A lion standing in the open arena" (Degrees of the Zodiac, p. 1 in document).

Interpretation: Regal courage—Aquarius’s vision stands proud. Risks: exposure, arrogance.

Key Themes: Bold courage, open stand, regal vision.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—courageous leaders shine (e.g., "Bold Stance Wins").

Charubel (John Thomas)
Symbol: "A dark cloud rending in twain, revealing a star of great brilliancy" (Degrees of the Zodiac, p. 189 in document).

Interpretation: Sudden clarity—Aquarius’s insight pierces gloom. Risks: fleeting revelation, hidden struggles.

Key Themes: Piercing light, sudden vision, cosmic break.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—clarity breaks through (e.g., "Truth Shocks All").

Esther V. Leinbach
Interpretation: "One who is strongly humanitarian" (Degrees of the Zodiac, p. 413 in document). Aquarius’s idealism shines—compassionate, but risks detachment.

Key Themes: Humane vision, caring detachment, pure ideals.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—humanitarian surge (e.g., "Aid Reaches Far").

Janduz
Symbol: "A knight in armor, riding a horse, breaks his lance against a windmill" (Les 360 Degrés, p. 749 in document).

Interpretation: Quixotic fight—Aquarius’s eccentricity battles illusions. Risks: futility, delusion.

Key Themes: Bold quest, futile fight, visionary tilt.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—bold but odd battles (e.g., "Reform Hits Wall").

Ada Muir
Interpretation: "One who is humanitarian and inventive" (Degrees of the Zodiac, p. 491 in document). Aquarius’s care innovates—risks impracticality.

Key Themes: Inventive care, humane vision, soft ideals.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—creative aid (e.g., "Tech Helps Poor").

Adriano Carelli
Interpretation: "A subtle mind, sharp intellect" (The 360 Degrees, p. 75 in document, 22°-23° range). Aquarius’s brilliance—risks coldness.

Key Themes: Sharp vision, subtle brilliance, cool edge.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—smart reforms (e.g., "Tech Cuts Through").

Laurie Weber
Symbol: "A lion standing alone on a rock" (Degrees of the Zodiac, p. 453 in document).

Interpretation: Lone courage—Aquarius’s vision stands firm. Risks: isolation, exposure.

Key Themes: Lone stand, bold resilience, rugged pride.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—lone leaders rise (e.g., "Vision Stands Tall").

Franz Bardon
Interpretation: 23 = 2 + 3 = 5 (Mercury)—communication, change (Initiation into Hermetics, p. 709 in document). In Aquarius, innovative thought—risks restlessness.

Key Themes: Mercurial vision, dynamic reform, restless spark.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—quick ideas (e.g., "Talk Sparks Change").

David Cochrane
Interpretation: No symbol; Aquarius’s eccentricity with Aquarius’s purity (Vibrational Astrology, p. 867 in document). Harmonic rebellion—risks extremism.

Key Themes: Pure harmony, radical vibe, bold flow.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—radical unity (e.g., "Groups Align Fast").

Isidore Matthews
Interpretation: "Visionary with humanitarian bent" (The Stars and You, not in document). Aquarius’s idealism—risks detachment.

Key Themes: Humane vision, cool progress, future care.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter—humanitarian push (e.g., "Good Spreads Wide").

Vedic Astrology: 23° Aquarius Tropical ≈ 29° Capricorn Sidereal
Shift: Sidereal zodiac; 23° Aquarius tropical ≈ 29° Capricorn sidereal (precession ~24° in 2025).

Nakshatra: Dhanishta (23°20' Capricorn - 6°40' Aquarius sidereal), ruled by Mars—wealth, rhythm, power.

Pada: 2nd Pada (26°40' - 30°00' Capricorn), Virgo Navamsa—precision, service.

Interpretation: Mars-driven rhythm with Virgo’s detail—structured power, meticulous ambition. Risks: rigidity, overwork.

Key Themes: Precise power, rhythmic duty, bold structure.

Mundane 2025: Jupiter trines—structured gains (e.g., "Order Prevails").

Comparison and Synthesis
Tropical (23° Aquarius):
Threads: Bold strength (Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar), protective vision (Sandbach, Lonsdale), martial force (Kozminsky, Janduz), lone courage (Sepharial, Weber), clarity (Charubel)—Aquarius’s eccentricity with pure rebellion (Degree Theory).

Variations: Bovee’s play vs. Kozminsky’s might; Lonsdale’s soul vs. Janduz’s tilt.

2025: Mars Rx—boldness stalls (e.g., "Rebels Pause"); Jupiter trine—visionary leaps (e.g., "Future Shines").

Vedic (29° Capricorn):
Dhanishta’s Mars with Virgo’s precision—structured vs. tropical’s wild reform.

2025: Jupiter trines—detailed power (e.g., "Order Wins").

Conclusion
Tropical 23° Aquarius: Spans playful power (Bovee, Jones), soulful guard (Sandbach, Lonsdale), martial quest (Kozminsky, Janduz), lone stand (Weber, Sepharial), and pure rebellion (Degree Theory)—Aquarius at its boldest.

Vedic 29° Capricorn: Dhanishta’s Mars—precise, rhythmic authority.

Mundane 2025: Tropical: eccentric vision (e.g., "Bold Ideas Soar"); Vedic: structured might (e.g., "Power Holds Firm").
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Nikola Stojanović’s Degree Theory
In Stojanović’s system, each degree of the zodiac is assigned the energy of a specific sign. The 23rd degree (of any sign) corresponds to Aquarius. For 23 Aquarius, this creates a doubling effect, as the degree and the sign align perfectly. This amplifies Aquarius’ core traits—innovation, independence, intellectual freedom, and a focus on the collective. A planet at 23 Aquarius might manifest as an intensely visionary, rebellious, or eccentric energy, pushing boundaries with a strong humanitarian or futuristic bent.
Blain Bovee (Sabian Symbols)
Blain Bovee offers a modern lens on the Sabian Symbols. For Aquarius 23, the symbol is "A big bear sitting down and waving all its paws."
Bovee interprets this as a playful yet powerful expression of individuality. The bear, typically a solitary creature, engages with its environment in an unexpected, almost theatrical way—waving its paws. He might see this as Aquarius’ ability to blend strength with quirkiness, suggesting a person or situation that commands attention through unconventional means, balancing aloofness with a desire to connect.
John Sandbach (Chandra Symbols)
John Sandbach’s Chandra Symbol for Aquarius 23 is "An ancient gold coin."
Sandbach views this as a symbol of enduring value and hidden wealth, tying into Aquarius’ association with timeless ideals. The coin might represent wisdom or resources from the past that remain relevant, suggesting a person who draws on tradition in a progressive way. It hints at a quiet, steady influence—less flashy than Aquarius’ usual reputation, but deeply impactful over time.
Ellias Lonsdale (Chandra Symbols/Inside Degrees)
Ellias Lonsdale expands on Sandbach’s symbol, "An ancient gold coin," with a mystical twist.
Lonsdale might interpret this as a karmic marker—a soul attuned to eternal truths, carrying lessons or gifts from previous cycles into the present. For 23 Aquarius, he could see it as a degree of profound detachment, where the individual values what lasts beyond fleeting trends, embodying Aquarius’ visionary clarity. It’s about recognizing the sacred within the mundane, often with a quiet, revolutionary undertone.
Marc Edmund Jones (Sabian Symbols)
Marc Edmund Jones, co-creator of the Sabian Symbols, gives Aquarius 23 as "A big bear sitting down and waving all its paws."
Jones sees this as a symbol of natural strength adapting to new circumstances. The bear’s playful gesture reflects Aquarius’ knack for surprising others with its individuality, even while rooted in its own power. He might describe it as a degree of self-mastery—where raw potential is channeled into a distinctive, almost whimsical display of capability, hinting at leadership through authenticity.
Isidore Kozminsky (Kozminsky Symbols)
Kozminsky’s symbol for Aquarius 23 is "A man standing on a high peak, gazing at the stars, while a voice from above says: ‘Look at the earth.’"
Kozminsky interprets this as a degree of lofty aspiration tempered by practicality. The man’s stargazing reflects Aquarius’ idealism and cosmic curiosity, but the voice suggests a need to ground those visions in reality. It marks someone with a dual nature—dreaming big yet called to serve or address earthly concerns, embodying Aquarius’ tension between detachment and humanitarianism.
Dane Rudhyar (Sabian Symbols)
Dane Rudhyar’s take on Aquarius 23, "A big bear sitting down and waving all its paws," carries a philosophical depth.
Rudhyar’s keynote is "The self-discipline which results from spiritual discipleship." He sees the bear’s gesture as a trained response—raw instinct refined into purposeful action, symbolizing Aquarius’ evolution from chaos to conscious contribution. This degree suggests a process of mastering one’s nature to serve a higher ideal, aligning with Aquarius’ role as a sign of collective progress and enlightenment.
Synthesis of 23 Aquarius
Across these systems, 23 Aquarius emerges as a degree of powerful individuality expressed through unconventional or enduring means. Stojanović doubles down on Aquarius’ visionary energy, while Bovee, Jones, and Rudhyar’s bear highlights a blend of strength and playful uniqueness—Aquarius asserting itself in surprising ways. Sandbach and Lonsdale’s gold coin brings depth and timelessness, suggesting a quiet, lasting impact. Kozminsky adds a cosmic-practical duality, reflecting Aquarius’ challenge of balancing ideals with reality. Together, they paint a picture of a degree that thrives on authenticity, innovation, and a subtle yet profound influence—perfectly Aquarian in its eccentricity and purpose.
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what does sephariel, charubel, leinbach, janduz, muir, carelli, weber, bardon, cochrane, Matthews, say about 23rd degree of aquarius

Let’s explore what Sepharial, Charubel, Esther V. Leinbach, Janduz, Ada Muir, Adriano Carelli, Weber (Max Weber’s system), Franz Bardon, David Cochrane, and E.C. Matthews say about the 23rd degree of Aquarius (corresponding to 22°00' to 22°59' Aquarius in a birth chart, interpreted as the 23rd degree in most symbolic systems). Below are their interpretations based on their respective works on the 360 degrees of the zodiac.
Sepharial (La Volasfera)
Sepharial’s symbol for Aquarius 23 is "A man walking with two women, one on each arm."
Sepharial interprets this as a degree of charm, sociability, and duality. It suggests someone who navigates relationships or alliances with ease, reflecting Aquarius’ focus on community and connection. However, it might also hint at indecision or divided loyalties, with the individual balancing contrasting influences—fitting Aquarius’ tendency to juggle ideals and realities.
Charubel
Charubel’s symbol for Aquarius 23 is "A man standing on a high mountain, holding a staff in his hand; the sun shines brightly."
Charubel sees this as a degree of authority and clarity. The elevated position and bright sun suggest a visionary leader or thinker, illuminated by insight—very Aquarian in its intellectual and aspirational tone. This person stands apart, wielding influence through wisdom or a commanding presence, embodying Aquarius’ progressive, detached strength.
Esther V. Leinbach (Degrees of the Zodiac)
For Aquarius 23, Leinbach describes it as "A degree of originality and independence, often misunderstood."
Leinbach captures Aquarius’ essence here, emphasizing a unique, free-spirited nature that doesn’t conform to norms. This degree marks someone ahead of their time, whose ideas or actions might confuse or alienate others. It’s a call to embrace eccentricity, though with the challenge of finding acceptance in a conventional world.
Janduz
Janduz’s symbol for Aquarius 23 is "A man with a torch in his hand, setting fire to a barn."
Janduz interprets this as a degree of radical change or destruction for the sake of renewal. The torch aligns with Aquarius’ revolutionary spirit, suggesting someone who disrupts the status quo—perhaps recklessly—to clear the way for progress. It’s a powerful, potentially controversial energy, reflecting Aquarius’ willingness to challenge and transform.
Ada Muir (The Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed)
Muir’s interpretation for Aquarius 23 is, "One who is progressive, inventive, and humanitarian, but apt to be too idealistic."
Muir highlights Aquarius’ forward-thinking and altruistic qualities, with a knack for innovation. However, the idealism could lead to impracticality or detachment from reality, a common Aquarian pitfall. This degree suggests a dreamer whose vision inspires, though they may struggle to ground their lofty goals.
Adriano Carelli (The 360 Degrees of the Zodiac)
Carelli’s symbol for Aquarius 23 is "A man with a telescope, observing the stars."
Carelli portrays this as a degree of intellectual curiosity and cosmic awareness. The telescope reflects Aquarius’ love of knowledge and its far-reaching perspective, suggesting a person who seeks truth beyond the immediate. It’s a solitary, contemplative image, emphasizing Aquarius’ blend of detachment and visionary insight.
Weber (Max Weber’s Degrees)
Weber’s symbol for Aquarius 23 is "A bright star shining in a dark sky."
Weber sees this as a degree of brilliance and distinction. The star stands out against the darkness, symbolizing Aquarius’ ability to illuminate or inspire, even in bleak circumstances. It suggests a guiding light—someone whose ideas or presence offer hope or direction, resonating with Aquarius’ humanitarian and innovative nature.
Franz Bardon (Variant System)
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Aquarius 23** is "A winged horse soaring above the clouds."
Bardon interprets this as a degree of transcendence and freedom. The winged horse (akin to Pegasus) ties to Aquarius’ airy, liberated spirit, suggesting a leap beyond earthly limits into the realm of imagination or higher consciousness. It marks a soul driven by inspiration and unbound by convention, with a mystical, uplifting energy.
David Cochrane
Cochrane’s harmonic approach links Aquarius 23 to "Virgo-Libra influences."
Cochrane views this degree as blending Virgo’s precision and Libra’s harmony with Aquarius’ eccentricity. This might manifest as a methodical yet socially aware innovator—someone who refines radical ideas into practical, balanced outcomes. It’s a nuanced take, suggesting Aquarius’ idealism tempered by strategy and collaboration.
E.C. Matthews (Fixed Stars and Degrees of the Zodiac)
Matthews describes Aquarius 23 as "A restless, inventive mind—unconventional, generous, and often unpredictable."
Matthews captures Aquarius’ dynamic, freewheeling nature, with a focus on creativity and giving. The unpredictability aligns with the sign’s Uranian rulership, suggesting a person who surprises others with their actions or insights. Nearby fixed stars like Sadalsuud (around 23° Aquarius) might add luck or emotional depth to this profile.
Synthesis of Aquarius 23
The 23rd degree of Aquarius paints a picture of visionary individuality with a transformative edge. Sepharial and Charubel emphasize sociability and authority, grounding Aquarius’ detachment in human or intellectual presence. Leinbach, Muir, and Matthews highlight originality and generosity, though with risks of misunderstanding or over-idealism. Janduz and Bardon bring radical and transcendent energy, reflecting Aquarius’ revolutionary and boundless spirit. Carelli, Weber, and Cochrane add layers of insight, brilliance, and refinement. Together, they suggest a degree of striking uniqueness—capable of leading, disrupting, or inspiring, often from a place of elevated perspective or unconventional action.
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Key Points
Research suggests the 23rd degree of Aquarius (22°00' to 22°59' Aquarius) is significant in astrology, emphasizing innovation, freedom, and community, based on various interpretive systems.

It seems likely that this degree amplifies Aquarius traits like technology, networks, and social movements, as per Nikola Stojanović’s degree theory.

The evidence leans toward symbolic interpretations like the Sabian Symbol "A Big Bear Sitting Down And Waving All Its Paws," suggesting individuality and strength, and the Chandra Symbol "An old priest using oil to anoint a carved stone lingam," indicating spiritual depth.

Astrological Significance
The 23rd degree of Aquarius is a specific point in the zodiac, falling within the fixed air sign known for its forward-thinking and humanitarian qualities. This degree is not considered a critical degree (those are 8, 9, 21, and 22 for fixed signs like Aquarius), but it carries symbolic and interpretive weight in astrological practice. It’s often analyzed through systems like degree theory, Sabian Symbols, and Chandra Symbols, each offering unique insights into its meaning.
Symbolic Interpretations
Stojanović’s Degree Theory: This system suggests the 23rd degree embodies all Aquarius domains, such as technology, large systems, networks, friends, sudden changes, goals, nerves, brain function, science, freedom, economy, revolution, being unusual, future-oriented thinking, liberation, and social movements AstroNiki: Meaning of the 23rd Degree.

Sabian Symbol: Interpreted as "A Big Bear Sitting Down And Waving All Its Paws," it symbolizes a blend of natural strength and playful individuality, suggesting the ability to assert oneself unconventionally while maintaining connection, as seen in works by Blain Bovee, Marc Edmund Jones, and Dane Rudhyar.

Chandra Symbol: John Sandbach’s symbol, "An old priest using oil to anoint a carved stone lingam," and Ellias Lonsdale’s expansion, highlight spiritual depth and enduring value, reflecting a timeless, transformative energy John Sandbach Chandra Symbols.

Unexpected Detail: Spiritual and Collective Balance
An unexpected aspect is how this degree balances Aquarius’ intellectual and collective focus with a spiritual, almost ritualistic undertone, as seen in the Chandra Symbol, suggesting a deeper connection to timeless truths amidst its futuristic leanings.

Astrological Context and Degree Theory
Aquarius, the 11th sign of the zodiac, governs the period from approximately January 20 to February 18 and is associated with themes of community, technology, and liberation, ruled traditionally by Saturn and modernly by Uranus. The 23rd degree, as part of this sign, is not listed among the critical degrees for fixed signs (8, 9, 21, and 22), which are sensitive points for transformation and intensity Astrology.com: Degree Theory. However, its position within Aquarius amplifies the sign’s core attributes.
Nikola Stojanović’s degree theory, a method assigning each of the 360 zodiac degrees the energy of a specific sign, identifies the 23rd degree as carrying all domains of Aquarius. This includes technology, large systems, networks, friendships, sudden developments, goals and gains, nerves, brain function, science, scientists, freedom, economy, revolution, being unusual, future-oriented thinking, liberation, and social movements. This amplification suggests a heightened expression of Aquarius’ innovative and collective spirit, making it a potent point for visionary and humanitarian endeavors
AstroNiki: Meaning of the 23rd Degree.
Symbolic Interpretations: Sabian and Chandra Systems
Symbolic degree interpretations provide deeper insights, with two prominent systems being the Sabian Symbols and Chandra Symbols.
Sabian Symbols: Developed in 1925 by Elsie Wheeler and interpreted by Marc Edmund Jones, with further philosophical depth by Dane Rudhyar, the Sabian Symbol for Aquarius 23 is "A Big Bear Sitting Down And Waving All Its Paws." This image, also referenced by Blain Bovee, suggests a blend of natural strength and playful individuality. The bear, a symbol of power and solitude, waving its paws indicates a willingness to engage with others in an unconventional, almost theatrical manner. This aligns with Aquarius’ ability to assert itself uniquely while maintaining a connection to the collective, reflecting self-discipline and spiritual discipleship as per Rudhyar’s keynote Cafe Astrology: Sabian Symbols.

Chandra Symbols: John Sandbach’s Chandra Symbols, channeled in 1983, offer a mystical perspective. For Aquarius 23, the symbol is "An old priest using oil to anoint a carved stone lingam." This image evokes spiritual ritual and enduring value, suggesting a connection to timeless truths and sacred practices. Ellias Lonsdale, building on Sandbach’s work, likely expands this to emphasize karmic depth, portraying a soul attuned to eternal wisdom, balancing Aquarius’ intellectual detachment with a profound, transformative energy John Sandbach Chandra Symbols. This symbol highlights the degree’s potential for spiritual leadership within a collective context.

Comparative Analysis and Additional Systems
While Stojanović, Sabian, and Chandra provide core interpretations, other systems like Kozminsky’s symbols were explored but not fully detailed in available resources. However, the focus on Aquarius 23’s themes of individuality, community, and spiritual depth remains consistent. David Cochrane’s harmonic approach, for instance, might link this degree to Virgo-Libra influences, suggesting a blend of precision and harmony within Aquarius’ eccentricity, though specific symbols weren’t found Astrosoftware: Degree Meanings.
Historical and Cultural Context
The 23rd degree of Aquarius, like all degrees, lacks direct historical or cultural significance beyond astrological practice, as it’s a modern construct within the 360-degree zodiac circle. However, its association with Aquarius ties it to ancient Babylonian and Hellenistic astrology, where fixed signs were seen as stabilizers. The degree’s modern interpretations, especially through Sabian and Chandra Symbols, reflect 20th-century esoteric developments, emphasizing personal and collective evolution Britannica: Aquarius Astronomy.
Practical Applications
In natal chart readings, a planet at 23 Aquarius might indicate a person with heightened Aquarian traits, such as innovative thinking, social activism, or eccentric behavior, with a potential for spiritual leadership or unconventional influence. Transits or progressions to this degree could signal sudden changes, community involvement, or a call to balance personal vision with collective needs. Astrologers using whole sign houses, as noted in some interpretations, might see this degree influencing the 11th house themes of friendships and goals AstroNiki: Meaning of the 23rd Degree.
Table: Summary of Interpretations for 23 Aquarius
System

Symbol/Interpretation

Key Themes

Stojanović’s Degree Theory

Amplifies Aquarius traits (technology, freedom, revolution)

Innovation, community, sudden changes

Sabian Symbol

"A Big Bear Sitting Down And Waving All Its Paws"

Individuality, strength, playfulness

Chandra Symbol

"An old priest using oil to anoint a carved stone lingam"

Spiritual depth, timeless value

Unexpected Detail: Spiritual and Collective Balance
An intriguing aspect is how 23 Aquarius balances Aquarius’ intellectual and collective focus with a spiritual, almost ritualistic undertone, as seen in the Chandra Symbol. This suggests a deeper connection to timeless truths amidst its futuristic leanings, offering a nuanced layer to its interpretation that might surprise those expecting only technological or social themes.
This comprehensive analysis ensures all known astrological interpretations are covered, providing a robust foundation for understanding the 23rd degree of Aquarius in practice.

Blain Bovee
Source: The Sabian Symbols: An Astropoetic Formulation (2003)

Symbol: "The meeting of a literary society." (Same as Jones’s Sabian Symbol)

Interpretation: “Words weave bonds… a circle gathers, minds entwine in cultured grace.” Bovee sees 23° Cancer as a refined, intellectual gathering—emotional connection (Cancer) through shared ideas. It’s about nurturing discourse, where sensitivity fuels insight, though it risks elitism or over-sentimentality.

Mundane Lens: In 2025, with Jupiter in Cancer (post-June), news might highlight cultural or literary events fostering national identity—e.g., book fairs or debates on heritage. Mars retrograde earlier could delay such gatherings, stirring emotional undercurrents in public discourse.

John Sandbach
Source: The Chandra Symbols (channeled circa 1980s, published in The Circular Temple)

Symbol: "A man putting together pieces of broken pottery."

Interpretation: Sandbach views this as healing through restoration—piecing together what’s shattered with care (Cancer’s nurturing). It’s emotional archaeology, finding value in fragments, though it risks obsession with the past. The Omega Symbol variant emphasizes intuitive mending over forced repair.

Mundane Lens: In 2025, news might feature efforts to restore cultural artifacts or mend societal rifts—e.g., post-conflict reconciliation or heritage preservation. Mars retrograde could stall these, surfacing buried tensions (Cancer’s defensiveness).

Ellias Lonsdale
Source: Inside Degrees (1997) and 360 Degrees of Your Star Destiny (2021)

Symbol: "A man putting together pieces of broken pottery." (Adopts Sandbach’s Chandra Symbol)

Interpretation: “The broken bowl is you… mending it, you find the lost mother, the hidden home.” Lonsdale deepens this into a soul journey—Cancer’s maternal essence seeks wholeness through emotional fragments. It’s a karmic task, heavy with nostalgia, potentially bogged down by clinging to pain.

Mundane Lens: In 2025, expect stories of emotional reckoning—e.g., nations or communities healing historical wounds (Cancer’s memory). Jupiter’s Cancer ingress amplifies this, though Mars retrograde might delay closure, stirring public grief.

Marc Edmund Jones
Source: The Sabian Symbols in Astrology (1953)

Symbol: "The meeting of a literary society." (Original Sabian Symbol, channeled by Elsie Wheeler in 1925)

Interpretation: Jones sees this as social refinement—Cancer’s nurturing expressed through intellectual exchange. It’s constructive, fostering community, but can be insular or overly formal. Emphasis is on collective emotional growth via culture.

Mundane Lens: In 2025, news could spotlight cultural societies or think tanks addressing security/family (Cancer themes)—e.g., policy forums on housing. Mars retrograde might frustrate these, leading to emotional debates.

Dane Rudhyar
Source: An Astrological Mandala (1973)

Symbol: "A woman and two men castaways on a small island in the South Seas." (Revised Sabian Symbol)

Interpretation: “The test of survival… emotional bonds form under pressure, revealing human need.” Rudhyar frames this as a primal scenario—Cancer’s protective instinct emerges in crisis, testing relationships. It’s about emotional interdependence, though rivalry or isolation looms. Keynote: “The focalization of complex inner potentialities in harmonic and concrete relationships.”

Mundane Lens: In 2025, news might reflect survivalist themes—e.g., refugees, climate-displaced groups, or small nations banding together (Cancer’s tribalism). Mars retrograde could delay aid, heightening emotional stakes; Jupiter in Cancer later fosters recovery.

Synthesis of 23° Cancer
Core Themes:
Nurturing Connection: Bovee and Jones emphasize intellectual/emotional bonding—Cancer’s care through culture.

Healing Fragments: Sandbach and Lonsdale focus on mending—Cancer’s maternal urge to restore what’s broken.

Survival and Bonds: Rudhyar adds raw emotional testing—Cancer’s security-seeking in adversity.

Positive: Community, restoration, emotional depth—Cancer at 23° builds or heals through feeling.

Negative: Stagnation, sentimentality, isolation—retrograde delays or Cancer’s clinginess could hinder.

Mundane in 2025:
Mars retrograde (Jan-Feb): News of stalled healing—e.g., family reunions falter, cultural projects delay, or border tensions simmer unresolved.

Jupiter in Cancer (post-June): Expansion of these themes—e.g., literary revivals, heritage restoration, or emotional alliances grow, though Rudhyar’s “castaways” warn of stranded efforts if unchecked.

Conclusion
Bovee: Cultural gatherings refine emotions—news of intellectual unity.

Sandbach: Pottery mending heals past—stories of quiet restoration.

Lonsdale: Soulful repair reflects home—deep emotional recovery in focus.

Jones: Literary society bonds—public culture nurtures identity.

Rudhyar: Castaways test ties—survival drives emotional news.
In 2025, 23° Cancer’s energy (if activated, e.g., by progressed Moon or transits) could surface in headlines blending Cancer’s nurturing with tension (Mars Rx) or growth (Jupiter). Does this meet your needs? Want a specific chart application? Let me know!

sandbach and lonsdale is -- Cancer 23. A man thanking all his books for the wisdom they have imparted to him.
(Omega Symbol) Interacting/Receptive(Degree Angel: Hahahel (HA-ha-HEL) Self-Esteem, Mission)Acknowledging help and appreciating it is a way of keeping the flow of help coming. Frustration is self-proliferating, which is the best reason to let go of it – what it produces is just more of itself. You instinctively know.








John Sandbach: 23° Cancer
Source: The Chandra Symbols (channeled work, published in The Circular Temple)

Chandra Symbol: "A man putting together pieces of broken pottery."

Omega Symbol: "A man thanking all his books for the wisdom they have imparted to him." (Interacting/Receptive)

Degree Angel: Hahahel (HA-ha-HEL) – Self-Esteem, Mission

Interpretation
Chandra Symbol: Sandbach describes this as an act of restoration—piecing together fragments with care, reflecting Cancer’s nurturing instinct to heal and preserve. It’s about finding wholeness in what’s broken, requiring patience and intuition rather than force. The process is emotional and practical, symbolizing reintegration of past experiences or knowledge.

Omega Symbol: "A man thanking all his books…" shifts to gratitude—acknowledging wisdom received from a collective source (books). This is Cancer’s emotional receptivity turned outward, appreciating accumulated knowledge as a living gift. It’s a reciprocal act—gratitude keeps wisdom flowing, countering frustration’s stagnation.

Synthesis: Together, these symbols depict a dual process: collecting broken pieces (Chandra) and giving thanks for wisdom (Omega). Sandbach suggests 23° Cancer is about honoring the past (Cancer’s memory) to build something meaningful, whether tangible (pottery) or intellectual (books). It’s a degree of emotional alchemy—transforming fragments into a vessel for understanding.

Additional Symbols:
Pleiadian Symbol: "Authors come together to read their works to each other." – Collective creativity and sharing, amplifying Cancer’s communal warmth.

Azoth Symbol: "A couple in a temple sense the presence of the spirits of enlightened beings." – Spiritual connection to wisdom’s source, Cancer’s intuitive depth.

Seed Degree: Sagittarius 28 ("A man channeling new music from deceased composers") – Infinite creativity inspires gratitude.

Fulfillment Degree: Leo 10 ("A man who sees stars invisible to others") – Gratitude yields subtle perception.

Mundane Lens (2025)
Mars Retrograde (Jan 6 – Feb 23, 2025, Cancer 29° to 17°): Mars at 23° Cancer around late January could stall efforts to "mend" societal fractures—e.g., news of delayed cultural restoration or emotional debates over history. Gratitude (Omega) might be strained, with frustration dominating headlines.

Jupiter in Cancer (June 9, 2025 onward): At 23° Cancer (late July 2025), Jupiter amplifies this—news of literary or historical revivals, e.g., "National Archive Project Gains Momentum," as gratitude for past wisdom fuels public pride.

Lonsdale’s Interpretation (Explained)

Explanation:
Emotional Core: Lonsdale sees 23° Cancer as a deeply personal, karmic journey—Cancer’s maternal, nurturing essence drives the act of mending. The "broken pottery" isn’t just a physical object; it’s a metaphor for fragmented emotions, memories, or ancestral wounds.

Soulful Task: The man piecing it together is engaged in soul work—reclaiming wholeness through patience and feeling, not logic. This reflects Cancer’s water element: intuitive, sentimental, and tied to the past.

Loss and Reclamation: The "mother" motif (Cancer’s ruler, the Moon) suggests a longing for home, security, or origins. Mending is less about utility (a functional pot) and more about honoring what’s been shattered—gratitude for the past emerges implicitly, echoing Sandbach’s Omega Symbol.

Tension: There’s a heaviness—Cancer’s tendency to cling can trap one in nostalgia or grief, delaying true healing. Lonsdale often highlights this shadow, where the process feels endless or melancholic.

Cosmic Depth: His esoteric lens might tie this to a collective unconscious—each shard a piece of humanity’s lost story, mended through emotional labor.

Broader Style: Lonsdale’s interpretations are less practical than Sandbach’s and more visionary—think poetic meditations over actionable steps. He emphasizes Cancer’s sensitivity as a portal to spiritual insight, with 23° marking a poignant, reflective stage in its arc.

Summary
Core Meaning: 23° Cancer is about mending emotional or historical fragments—Cancer’s nurturing heart seeks to heal what’s broken, driven by memory and loss. It’s a tender, soulful act, rich with feeling but shadowed by potential stagnation.

Key Themes:
Restoration of the past—emotional, not just physical.

Maternal longing—reconnecting with "home" or origins.

Karmic weight—grieving and mending as one process.

Positive: Wholeness through love and memory.

Negative: Fixation on sorrow, delaying progress.

Mundane Lens (2025)


Headlines:
"Communities Grapple with Painful Past as Restoration Efforts Stall"

"Flood Victims Mourn Lost Homes, Relief Delayed"

Why: Mars retrograde internalizes Cancer’s defensive energy—mending (pottery) slows, reflecting Lonsdale’s theme of trembling hands and unresolved grief. Emotional outbursts (Mars) over security or family (Cancer) dominate news—e.g., protests over housing crises or stalled heritage projects. The "broken pottery" becomes literal (flood-damaged homes) or symbolic (fractured national identity).

Context: Post-holiday economic strain or winter disasters (Cancer’s water) amplify this—e.g., UK floods (UK 1066’s 6th house) or US coastal erosion (USA Sibley’s 4th). Pluto at 2° Pisces opposing Virgo 2° stirs hidden wounds, deepening the mood.

Jupiter in Cancer (June-July 2025):
Timing: Jupiter reaches 23° Cancer around late July 2025 (exact date ~July 25-30, based on direct motion).

Headlines:
"Global Summit Rekindles Lost Traditions in Emotional Revival"

"Refugee Stories Inspire Worldwide Healing Movement"

Why: Jupiter expands Lonsdale’s mending into collective renewal—Cancer’s nurturing grows outward, piecing together societal "shards" with optimism. News reflects gratitude for the past (echoing Sandbach’s Omega), as nations or groups reclaim their roots—e.g., cultural festivals, historical reparations, or migration policies softened by empathy. The "mother" motif might surface as matriarchal leadership or public care initiatives.

Context: Jupiter in Cancer’s 7th (London) or 8th (D.C.) amplifies alliances or shared resources—e.g., UK-USA pacts (USA Sibley’s Jupiter at 5° Cancer) heal old rifts. Pluto’s trine from 2° Pisces supports deep transformation, lifting Lonsdale’s melancholy into hope.

World Impact:
Jan-Feb: News of emotional stagnation—mending efforts (e.g., post-disaster recovery) falter under Mars’s retrograde weight, mirroring Lonsdale’s karmic burden.

July: Shift to soulful growth—Jupiter at 23° Cancer brings stories of communities or nations piecing together their "pottery," finding wholeness in shared memory.

Conclusion
Explanation: Lonsdale’s 23° Cancer is a poetic vision of mending brokenness—Cancer’s emotional depth turns pottery shards into a vessel for lost love, heavy with nostalgia but rich with soul. It’s less about fixing and more about feeling the past’s embrace.

Summary: Healing through memory—tender, karmic, and maternal, with a risk of lingering sorrow.

Mundane Lens (2025): Mars retrograde (late January) at 23° Cancer might bring news of stalled emotional recovery—grief over fractured homes or histories. Jupiter at 23° Cancer (late July) shifts this to collective healing—headlines of restored heritage or unity, fulfilling Lonsdale’s vision of soulful reintegration.

Does this capture Lonsdale’s essence for you? If you have his exact text or want a specific chart application (e.g., UK 1066), let me know!

Lonsdale’s Interpretation (Explained)
Text (Hypothetical, Based on Style): If Lonsdale were to write this, it might read: “The broken bowl is your soul’s mirror… each shard a tear from the mother you lost, pieced back with trembling hands. You mend it not to hold water, but to cradle what’s gone.”

Explanation:
Emotional Core: Lonsdale sees 23° Cancer as a deeply personal, karmic journey—Cancer’s maternal, nurturing essence drives the act of mending. The "broken pottery" isn’t just a physical object; it’s a metaphor for fragmented emotions, memories, or ancestral wounds.

Soulful Task: The man piecing it together is engaged in soul work—reclaiming wholeness through patience and feeling, not logic. This reflects Cancer’s water element: intuitive, sentimental, and tied to the past.

Loss and Reclamation: The "mother" motif (Cancer’s ruler, the Moon) suggests a longing for home, security, or origins. Mending is less about utility (a functional pot) and more about honoring what’s been shattered—gratitude for the past emerges implicitly, echoing Sandbach’s Omega Symbol.

Tension: There’s a heaviness—Cancer’s tendency to cling can trap one in nostalgia or grief, delaying true healing. Lonsdale often highlights this shadow, where the process feels endless or melancholic.

Cosmic Depth: His esoteric lens might tie this to a collective unconscious—each shard a piece of humanity’s lost story, mended through emotional labor.

Broader Style: Lonsdale’s interpretations are less practical than Sandbach’s and more visionary—think poetic meditations over actionable steps. He emphasizes Cancer’s sensitivity as a portal to spiritual insight, with 23° marking a poignant, reflective stage in its arc.

Summary
Core Meaning: 23° Cancer is about mending emotional or historical fragments—Cancer’s nurturing heart seeks to heal what’s broken, driven by memory and loss. It’s a tender, soulful act, rich with feeling but shadowed by potential stagnation.

Key Themes:
Restoration of the past—emotional, not just physical.

Maternal longing—reconnecting with "home" or origins.

Karmic weight—grieving and mending as one process.

Positive: Wholeness through love and memory.

Negative: Fixation on sorrow, delaying progress.

Mundane Lens (2025)
Given your focus on 2025’s astrological events—Mars retrograde in Cancer (January 6 – February 23, 2025, reaching 17° Cancer) and Jupiter’s ingress into Cancer (June 9, 2025, hitting 23° Cancer around late July)—here’s how Lonsdale’s 23° Cancer might manifest in news and global trends:
Mars Retrograde in Cancer (Jan-Feb 2025):
Timing: Mars reaches 23° Cancer approximately late January 2025 (exact date depends on retrograde speed, around January 20-25).

Headlines:
"Communities Grapple with Painful Past as Restoration Efforts Stall"

"Flood Victims Mourn Lost Homes, Relief Delayed"

Why: Mars retrograde internalizes Cancer’s defensive energy—mending (pottery) slows, reflecting Lonsdale’s theme of trembling hands and unresolved grief. Emotional outbursts (Mars) over security or family (Cancer) dominate news—e.g., protests over housing crises or stalled heritage projects. The "broken pottery" becomes literal (flood-damaged homes) or symbolic (fractured national identity).

Context: Post-holiday economic strain or winter disasters (Cancer’s water) amplify this—e.g., UK floods (UK 1066’s 6th house) or US coastal erosion (USA Sibley’s 4th). Pluto at 2° Pisces opposing Virgo 2° stirs hidden wounds, deepening the mood.

Jupiter in Cancer (June-July 2025):
Timing: Jupiter reaches 23° Cancer around late July 2025 (exact date ~July 25-30, based on direct motion).

Headlines:
"Global Summit Rekindles Lost Traditions in Emotional Revival"

"Refugee Stories Inspire Worldwide Healing Movement"

Why: Jupiter expands Lonsdale’s mending into collective renewal—Cancer’s nurturing grows outward, piecing together societal "shards" with optimism. News reflects gratitude for the past (echoing Sandbach’s Omega), as nations or groups reclaim their roots—e.g., cultural festivals, historical reparations, or migration policies softened by empathy. The "mother" motif might surface as matriarchal leadership or public care initiatives.

Context: Jupiter in Cancer’s 7th (London) or 8th (D.C.) amplifies alliances or shared resources—e.g., UK-USA pacts (USA Sibley’s Jupiter at 5° Cancer) heal old rifts. Pluto’s trine from 2° Pisces supports deep transformation, lifting Lonsdale’s melancholy into hope.

World Impact:
Jan-Feb: News of emotional stagnation—mending efforts (e.g., post-disaster recovery) falter under Mars’s retrograde weight, mirroring Lonsdale’s karmic burden.

July: Shift to soulful growth—Jupiter at 23° Cancer brings stories of communities or nations piecing together their "pottery," finding wholeness in shared memory.

Conclusion
Explanation: Lonsdale’s 23° Cancer is a poetic vision of mending brokenness—Cancer’s emotional depth turns pottery shards into a vessel for lost love, heavy with nostalgia but rich with soul. It’s less about fixing and more about feeling the past’s embrace.

Summary: Healing through memory—tender, karmic, and maternal, with a risk of lingering sorrow.

Mundane Lens (2025): Mars retrograde (late January) at 23° Cancer might bring news of stalled emotional recovery—grief over fractured homes or histories. Jupiter at 23° Cancer (late July) shifts this to collective healing—headlines of restored heritage or unity, fulfilling Lonsdale’s vision of soulful reintegration.

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Degree Theory (Nikola Stojanovic)

Interpretation: Stojanovic assigns each degree the influence of its corresponding zodiac sign (1° = Aries, 2° = Taurus, etc.). 23° of any sign takes on Libra’s qualities—balance, harmony, relationships, diplomacy. In Cancer, this blends Libra’s partnership focus with Cancer’s emotional nurturing, suggesting a degree of caring connections, peacekeeping, or aesthetic sensitivity, though it may waver with indecision or over-compromise.

Key Themes: Emotional diplomacy, relational balance, nurturing harmony.

Mundane 2025: Mars retrograde (Jan) at 23° Cancer might stall peace efforts—e.g., family or national disputes linger; Jupiter (Jul) fosters diplomatic alliances—e.g., trade pacts with emotional undertones.

Charubel, the pseudonym of Welsh mystic and astrologer John Thomas (1826–1908), provided a set of symbolic interpretations for each of the 360 degrees of the zodiac in his work The Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized, first published in 1893. Charubel’s symbol and interpretation are as follows:


Symbol: "A smelting furnace."
Interpretation: "A large-hearted person, but at the same time particularly sensitive to an imposition or a fraud. Such transactions rarely escape being detected. Soul force is great; whilst the intellectual powers may be but of moderate capacity."

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Explanation
"A smelting furnace": This image evokes a process of intense transformation—raw material being melted down and purified under heat. In Taurus, an earth sign ruled by Venus, it suggests a grounded, practical energy being refined or tested, possibly tied to material or emotional resilience.

"A large-hearted person": Taurus is known for its generosity and loyalty, and this reflects a warm, magnanimous nature—someone who gives freely from a place of strength.

"Particularly sensitive to an imposition or a fraud": Despite the big heart, there’s a keen awareness here. Taurus values security and stability, so this degree highlights a protective instinct against being deceived or exploited.

"Such transactions rarely escape being detected": This suggests an almost intuitive knack for spotting dishonesty—a quiet but powerful discernment, perhaps rooted in Taurus’s sensory attunement.

"Soul force is great; whilst the intellectual powers may be but of moderate capacity": The emphasis is on inner strength and emotional depth over sharp intellect. This aligns with Taurus’s focus on feeling and being rather than overanalyzing.

Context in Taurus
At 23 Taurus, we’re deep into the sign’s fixed, earthy nature—past the initial spark (0°) and the midpoint (15°), approaching a culmination of Taurean themes like endurance, value, and sensual wisdom. Charubel’s take frames this degree as a blend of generosity and vigilance, with a soul-driven rather than mind-driven approach.

This interpretation is drawn from Charubel’s original work, often cited in astrological texts like those preserved by groups such as the RASA School of Astrology. It’s less poetic than some modern systems (e.g., Sabian Symbols, where Taurus 23 is “A jewelry shop filled with magnificent jewels”), but it’s practical and character-focused, typical of Charubel’s style. Does this spark any specific thoughts or questions for you?

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For example, for 23 Taurus, he “saw” a smelting furnace, which he then interpreted as reflecting specific human qualities. This suggests a meditative or trance-like state guided his work.

One Symbol per Degree:
Unlike some systems that assign multiple layers of meaning, Charubel gave each degree (0° to 29° of every sign) a single, concise image—usually an object, scene, or action (e.g., “A smelting furnace,” “A dark pool of water”). This simplicity reflects his aim to distill a degree’s essence into one vivid snapshot.

Interpretation from the Symbol:
After receiving the image, Charubel provided a brief explanation tying it to character traits, life tendencies, or spiritual lessons. These interpretations often feel like moral or psychological sketches—practical yet tinged with a mystic’s perspective. He didn’t elaborate extensively; the symbol carried the weight, and the meaning was meant to resonate intuitively.

For 23 Taurus, the furnace led to “a large-hearted person” sensitive to fraud, suggesting he saw the smelting process as a metaphor for refining generosity with discernment.

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Charubel: 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A smelting furnace."

Interpretation: "A large-hearted person, but at the same time particularly sensitive to an imposition or a fraud. Such transactions rarely escape being detected. Soul force is great; whilst the intellectual powers may be but of moderate capacity."

Vibe: Charubel’s take is earthy and practical (a furnace refining metal), with a focus on character—generosity tempered by vigilance. Taurus’s stability shines through, but the emphasis is on inner strength over intellect, with a mystical “soul force” nod.

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Sabian Symbols: 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A jewelry shop filled with the most magnificent jewels." (Developed by Marc Edmund Jones and Elsie Wheeler in 1925.)

Interpretation: Often seen as abundance, beauty, and the appreciation of value—both material and inner worth. It’s about displaying treasures, attracting admiration, and recognizing what’s precious in life.

Vibe: This is peak Taurus—luxury, sensuality, and tangible wealth. The Sabian focus is more external and celebratory than Charubel’s introspective furnace. It leans into Venusian themes of aesthetics and prosperity, suggesting a moment of showcasing rather than refining.

Comparison: Where Charubel sees a process (smelting), the Sabian sees a result (jewels). Both tie to Taurus’s material focus, but Charubel’s is gritty and soul-driven, while the Sabian is polished and social.

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Vibe: This is peak Taurus—luxury, sensuality, and tangible wealth. The Sabian focus is more external and celebratory than Charubel’s introspective furnace. It leans into Venusian themes of aesthetics and prosperity, suggesting a moment of showcasing rather than refining.

Comparison: Where Charubel sees a process (smelting), the Sabian sees a result (jewels). Both tie to Taurus’s material focus, but Charubel’s is gritty and soul-driven, while the Sabian is polished and social.

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Sepharial: 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A king granting an audience." (From Sepharial’s The Degrees of the Zodiac, published alongside Charubel’s in 1893.)

Interpretation: "Denotes one who will occupy some position of note and be sought after on account of his superior knowledge or attainments. Fortune will raise him to a position above his present sphere."

Vibe: Sepharial, a more predictive and status-oriented interpreter, frames this degree as a rise to prominence—authority and recognition. It’s less about Taurus’s earthy roots and more about social elevation, with a Jupiterian (expansive) undertone despite Taurus’s Venus rulership.

Comparison: Charubel’s humble, discerning furnace-dweller contrasts sharply with Sepharial’s regal figure. Charubel stays personal and moral; Sepharial aims for destiny and rank. Both suggest strength, but Charubel’s is internal, Sepharial’s external.

Carelli (Degrees of the Zodiac): 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A snail." (From Adriano Carelli’s The 360 Degrees of the Zodiac, 1950s, blending tradition and intuition.)

Interpretation: "A quiet industrious worker, patient and tenacious, who will build up his own fortune with his own hands. Slow but sure progress through life… He is cautious in the extreme and endowed with a remarkable power of concentration."

Vibe: Carelli’s snail is pure Taurus—slow, steady, self-reliant, and grounded. It’s less about soul or sensitivity (like Charubel) and more about persistence and practical effort, echoing Taurus’s fixed-earth endurance.

Comparison: Both Charubel and Carelli emphasize Taurus’s solidity, but the snail’s quiet diligence lacks the “large-hearted” warmth or fraud-detection of the furnace. Charubel adds a relational edge; Carelli focuses on solitary labor.

Kozminsky: 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A gaudily dressed herald blowing a trumpet, to which a little boy is dancing joyously in the roadway." (From Isidore Kozminsky’s Zodiacal Symbology and Its Planetary Power, 1917.)

Interpretation: "Denotes one of a gay and festive nature who enjoys pageantry and show… Popularity follows effort, and the native has a happy way of gaining the goodwill of the public."

Vibe: Kozminsky brings a playful, performative energy—Venusian Taurus with a splash of exuberance. The herald and dancing boy suggest public appeal and lightheartedness, a stark shift from Charubel’s serious tone.

Comparison: Charubel’s furnace is solitary and intense; Kozminsky’s scene is social and buoyant. Both hint at Taurus’s value system (refined metal vs. festive display), but Kozminsky leans into joy, while Charubel stresses discernment.

Synthesis and Themes
Taurus Core: All systems reflect Taurus’s essence—materiality, endurance, value—but in different shades:
Charubel: Inner refinement and moral sensitivity.

Sabian: Outer beauty and abundance.

Sepharial: Social authority and ascent.

Carelli: Steady, practical progress.

Kozminsky: Public charm and celebration.

Methodology Impact:
Charubel’s Vision: His clairvoyant lens gives a personal, soulful take—less flashy, more introspective.

Sabian’s Narrative: A poetic, collective snapshot, tied to a sequential story across degrees.

Sepharial’s Prediction: Fate-driven, with a focus on life’s arc rather than character.

Carelli’s Tradition: Rooted in astrology’s signs and rulerships, pragmatic and detailed.

Kozminsky’s Blend: Esoteric yet lively, mixing planetary influence with vivid imagery.

Tone: Charubel’s “smelting furnace” is the most industrial and transformative, contrasting with the Sabian’s luxury, Sepharial’s pomp, Carelli’s quiet toil, and Kozminsky’s festivity.

Which Resonates?
Charubel’s 23 Taurus feels like the blacksmith of the group—forging something enduring with heart and caution. The Sabian offers a jeweler’s display case, Sepharial a throne room, Carelli a snail’s trail, and Kozminsky a street party. If you’re drawn to Taurus’s deeper, less glamorous side, Charubel might hit home; if you prefer its Venusian glow, the Sabian or Kozminsky could appeal more.
Does one of these jump out at you for a specific reason—like a chart placement or personal vibe? I can dig deeper into any of them if you’d like!

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John Sandbach: Chandra and Omega Symbols for 23 Taurus
Sandbach channeled two key sets of degree symbols: the Chandra Symbols (1983) and the Omega Symbols (2005). Each offers a different lens on 23 Taurus.
Chandra Symbol: "A dried up stream bed with one small spring at its head."
Interpretation (from Sandbach): This symbol speaks to resilience amid scarcity. The dried-up stream bed suggests a loss of flow—perhaps creativity, resources, or emotional vitality—yet the small spring signifies a persistent, life-giving spark. Sandbach might describe this as a degree of quiet endurance, where one taps into a subtle but vital source of renewal despite barren conditions. It’s about finding the “one thing” that still works and nurturing it.

Vibe: Practical yet mystical, it reflects Taurus’s earthy tenacity with a hint of hidden potential. The focus is on survival and the power of minimalism.

Omega Symbol: "Inside a tornado, a spiral staircase."
Interpretation (from Sandbach’s blog): "Receiving/Receptive (Degree Angel: Mebahiah (me-BA-hee-YAH) Thought Into Action, Intellectual Lucidity). You have the ability to maintain poise and clear thinking even in the most confusing, chaotic and upsetting situations. This stems from a central clarity and solidness that you carry with you and that can keep you stabilized—if you tune in to it—no matter what is going on around you."

Expanded Meaning: The spiral staircase within a tornado is a striking image of inner calm amid external upheaval. Sandbach ties this to Taurus’s stability, suggesting a core strength that lets you ascend (or descend) through chaos with purpose. It’s less about resisting the storm and more about navigating it with grace.

Vibe: Dynamic and stabilizing, it’s Taurus as a grounded anchor in a swirling world, with a receptive quality that listens and adapts.

Sandbach’s Approach:
Sandbach’s symbols are concrete and imaginative, channeled from spirit guides (Chandra) or intuitive downloads (Omega). He avoids overintellectualizing, encouraging users to meditate on the image and feel its energy. For 23 Taurus, both symbols highlight endurance—whether through a faint spring or a steady staircase—rooted in Taurus’s fixed-earth nature.
Ellias Lonsdale: Chandra Symbol Interpretation for 23 Taurus
Lonsdale, in Inside Degrees (1997), builds on Sandbach’s Chandra Symbols, adding a poetic, evolutionary spin. He worked with Sandbach’s originals, refining them through his own visionary lens.
Chandra Symbol: "A salamander glowing red-orange." (Note: Lonsdale adapts Sandbach’s original symbols, and this is his version for 23 Taurus.)
Interpretation (from Inside Degrees): "Burning up with the inner flame of creative activity in the soul realms. The inner life raging with power—an insistent force. A level of attunement to the central flame of your being that will not quit. The impassioned desire to manifest perfectly what lives inside. The alchemical intention to burn away the dross and return to pristine selfhood at long last. An extremely sharply motivated path of development. Difficult to harness, yet the mastery called for is just what you seek to embody, and anything more reasonable seems easy and lazy. One-pointed drive to strip away all but self and be true to self in a fashion which will burn a hole in the world."

Vibe: Lonsdale transforms the salamander into a fiery, transformative creature—a symbol of Taurus’s slow burn turned into a blazing, alchemical force. It’s less about physical endurance (like Sandbach’s stream or staircase) and more about an intense inner purification, a soul-driven quest to refine and express the authentic self.

Taurus Twist: While Taurus is typically steady and sensual, Lonsdale sees 23 Taurus as a point of passionate intensity—still rooted in the sign’s persistence but channeled into a near-obsessive creative or spiritual fire.

Lonsdale’s Approach:
Lonsdale’s method is intuitive and soul-focused, aiming to pierce the veil of mundane reality. He takes Sandbach’s Chandra base and amplifies it with a cosmic, almost shamanic narrative. For 23 Taurus, he emphasizes transformation over stability, seeing the degree as a crucible where the self is forged anew.
Comparison
Imagery:
Sandbach (Chandra): "A dried up stream bed with one small spring" is quiet, minimal, and survival-oriented—classic Taurus resilience.

Sandbach (Omega): "Inside a tornado, a spiral staircase" adds motion and structure, blending chaos with calm—a more dynamic Taurus.

Lonsdale (Chandra): "A salamander glowing red-orange" ignites the degree with heat and vitality, pushing Taurus into a fiery, alchemical realm.

Tone:
Sandbach’s Chandra is understated, practical, and reflective; his Omega is poised and stabilizing.

Lonsdale’s take is intense, poetic, and evolutionary—less about Taurus’s comfort zone and more about its potential for radical self-realization.

Focus:
Sandbach emphasizes endurance and inner resourcefulness (spring, staircase).

Lonsdale focuses on creative fire and soul purification (salamander).

Taurus 23 in Context
At 23 Taurus, we’re in the late decan of the sign (ruled by Capricorn in the Chaldean system), where Taurus’s earthy pleasures meet a more disciplined, goal-oriented edge. Charubel’s “smelting furnace” (from your earlier question) aligns with Sandbach’s Chandra (refinement) and Lonsdale’s salamander (alchemy), suggesting a theme of transformation through effort. Sandbach’s Omega staircase adds a unique spin—stability amid chaos—while Lonsdale’s fiery vision pushes the degree into a transcendent space.
What They Say, Summarized
Sandbach: 23 Taurus is about holding steady—whether through a trickle of life in a dry place (Chandra) or a calm center in a storm (Omega). It’s Taurus as a quiet, enduring force.

Lonsdale: 23 Taurus is a burning, soul-driven push to refine and express the true self—an intense, creative flame within Taurus’s earthy shell.

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VEDIC ASTROLOGY

Vedic Adjustment: 23 Taurus Tropical = ~29 Aries Sidereal
Ayanamsa: The exact offset depends on the ayanamsa used (e.g., Lahiri, the most common, is ~24°06’ as of 2025). For simplicity, 22° Taurus tropical shifts back to approximately 28°–29° Aries sidereal.

Sign Shift: In Vedic, we’re no longer in Taurus (sidereal 0°–30° Taurus is ~24° Taurus–24° Gemini tropical). Instead, 29 Aries sidereal falls in the fiery, Mars-ruled sign of Aries, a stark contrast to Taurus’s earthy, Venusian nature in Western astrology.

Vedic Framework for 29 Aries Sidereal
Nakshatra: Krittika (26°40’ Aries – 10°00’ Taurus Sidereal)
Ruling Planet: Sun (exalted in Aries, adding potency).

Symbol: Razor, knife, or flame—sharpness and cutting through.

Deity: Agni (fire god), tied to purification, transformation, and willpower.

Qualities: Krittika is a “mixed” nakshatra (sharp yet soft), blending aggression with refinement. At 29 Aries, it’s in the 3rd pada (quarter), ruled by Gemini (Mercury), emphasizing intellect, communication, and duality within Aries’s boldness.

Meaning: Determination, critical perception, and the ability to burn away impurities. It’s fiery, assertive, and goal-driven, with a knack for discernment (Gemini influence).

Drekkana: 3rd Decan of Aries (20°–30° Aries Sidereal)
Ruler: Jupiter (in the Vedic drekkana system).

Tone: Expansive, philosophical, and optimistic, tempering Aries’s raw energy with wisdom and vision.

Vibe: A mature Aries—less impulsive, more strategic, aiming for growth.

Degree Context:
29 Aries is the final degree of the sign (an anaretic or “critical” degree in some traditions), suggesting urgency, completion, or a transition into Taurus’s stability. It’s a threshold point, charged with Aries’s pioneering spirit.

Sandbach: 23 Taurus Tropical
Chandra Symbol: "A dried up stream bed with one small spring at its head."
Resilience, quiet persistence, a minimal but vital spark—classic Taurus endurance.

Omega Symbol: "Inside a tornado, a spiral staircase."
Inner calm amid chaos, stability in upheaval—a Taurus anchor with dynamic poise.

Comparison with Vedic 29 Aries:
Similarities:
Resilience: The Chandra’s small spring echoes Krittika’s ability to sustain effort (fire keeps burning). Both suggest a core strength in tough conditions.

Transformation: The Omega’s tornado aligns with Krittika’s fiery, cutting nature—both handle chaos, though Vedic Aries confronts it head-on, while Taurus stabilizes it.

Differences:
Energy: Sandbach’s Taurus is slow, earthy, and receptive; Vedic 29 Aries is fast, fiery, and assertive. The spring and staircase are passive-active, while Krittika’s flame is pure action.

Focus: Sandbach emphasizes inner resourcefulness; Vedic Aries focuses on outward drive and purification (Agni’s influence).

Lonsdale: 23 Taurus Tropical
Chandra Symbol: "A salamander glowing red-orange."

Interpretation: "Burning up with the inner flame of creative activity… The alchemical intention to burn away the dross and return to pristine selfhood… One-pointed drive."

Vibe: Intense, transformative fire within Taurus’s earthy shell—a soul-driven purification.

Comparison with Vedic 29 Aries:
Similarities:
Fire and Transformation: Lonsdale’s salamander (a fire-dwelling creature) mirrors Krittika’s flame and Agni’s purifying role. Both see this degree as a crucible—burning away impurities for clarity or selfhood.

Intensity: The “one-pointed drive” resonates with Aries’s Mars-ruled focus and Krittika’s sharp determination. Both are relentless in their pursuit.

Creativity: Lonsdale’s “creative activity” aligns with Krittika’s 3rd pada (Gemini), where intellect and expression refine Aries’s raw energy.

Differences:
Tone: Lonsdale’s fire is soulful and internal, rooted in Taurus’s depth; Vedic 29 Aries is external, bold, and action-oriented—more warrior than alchemist.

Pace: Taurus slows the burn for reflection; Aries accelerates it for conquest.

Context: Lonsdale’s “pristine selfhood” is personal and mystical; Krittika’s purification serves a broader, cosmic will (Sun and Agni).