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crimsoncurrentTHE VERTEX &
THE EAST POINT
Date sent: Sun, 25 Apr 99 16:48:27 PDT
Dear Steve,
You may include my name if you wish. The original source of information
is an Astrologer living near San Francisco with whom I have lost contact
and who is rather reclusive and resistant to contact, so I am not inclined
to mention his name until he surfaces and chooses to be identified; I
don't take credit for the Vertex concept being my own invention. The same
Astrologer said about the East Point (I paraphrase) just as the EP is
symbolically where the Ascendant would be if we were born at the Equator
(a fixed earth point just like the Aries Point) we merge the meaning of
the two:
The East Point symbolizes contacts, manner of interaction (persona),
relationships with others, and environs (Ascendant) when one is out among
the general public (Aries). I have found this to be the case. For
example, transits to this point indicate meetings out among the public (on
the street, in public buildings, etc.) It does indeed refer to those
components of relationships which take place out in public or which gain
public notice, and to our public persona.
Interesting that some astrologers (for example, those who use the Meridian
house system) employ the East Point in place of the Ascendant.... the East
Point is the way one is known for conducting oneself in public, while the
Ascendant is the way one interacts with others in more personal situations
(symbolically, specific to one's birthplace). This would imply that only
people who know us well could validate the pictures and aspects to the AS
while those who know us only in public situations would validate the
pictures and aspects to the EP.
This brings up the issue of relocation charts. We use the birthtime to
indicate how cosmic conditions imprinted and impacted our personalities at
birth... it would imply that if we change the angles to our relocated
residence, it follows that we should also change the planets for the date
and time we arrived at that new location to stay. For those who have
actually recorded the date and time they arrived at a new city of
residence, the new chart is quite noteworthy.... it is a chart of a new
life(style). You could also do synastry with your birthchart to see what
the challenges and changes are/were.
Blake Finley, MA
San Francisco, USA
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Date sent: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:50:18 EDT
<< In reference to the Vertex, a fellow Uranian Astrologer taught me
several years ago that the Vertex is the point of productivity... i.e.
what we produce in life. I have found it to indicate one's work
productivity...
In contrast the MC which often indicates social and career status.
With MC there are recognition issues (10th house type matters). With the
Vertex, the issue is productivity (6th house type matters).
Directions to the Vertex often major job events or changes, as do
transits. I watch transiting planets to my Vertex and this is borne out
repeatedly. Vertex may well have other spiritual or karmic connotations;
i.e. what we produce is what we "do", and from spiritual perspective, our
actions have a ripple effect both on others and on our own future dealings
with other people and situations.>>
>>
Hi Steve and Uranians,
Re: The Vertex:
Personally, I've not found the above to be true -- but
then again, my VX is in 8th, not in 6th. Perhaps in 6th it might work
this way; am curious if anyone else has found the above to be true.
Much more often, I've found the Vertex to act as another kind of
'Descendant' type of energy with what feels like 'karmic' overtones -- and
not just for me, but for clients time and time again. It seems to be a
most prominent feature found in synastries/composites of important,
seemingly 'fated' relationships or encounters.
Val
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Date sent: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:37:55 EDT
Interesting,
I had always heard that the vertex was a point of "fated" events or people.
Hmmm.....
Jen
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Dear group members,
When I read the post on the Vertex being linked to productivity, I had a
look at Hitler's chart (due to the Columbine High School connection).
Looking at the 90 degree chart, we can immediately see Hades = Vertex
by only 10 minutes orb.
Placing the pointer on Ha,Vx we get:
Ha, Vx = No / Kr = Vu / Pl = Me / Cu
I would need to see many more charts before I accept the post regarding
productivity (etc.), but Hitler's Vx does show some very relevant PPs for
the person he was.
The combination of Hades, Pluto, Vulcanus, with the Node, etc. shows some very powerful energies.
Steve
THE EAST POINT
Date sent: Sun, 25 Apr 99 16:48:27 PDT
Dear Steve,
You may include my name if you wish. The original source of information
is an Astrologer living near San Francisco with whom I have lost contact
and who is rather reclusive and resistant to contact, so I am not inclined
to mention his name until he surfaces and chooses to be identified; I
don't take credit for the Vertex concept being my own invention. The same
Astrologer said about the East Point (I paraphrase) just as the EP is
symbolically where the Ascendant would be if we were born at the Equator
(a fixed earth point just like the Aries Point) we merge the meaning of
the two:
The East Point symbolizes contacts, manner of interaction (persona),
relationships with others, and environs (Ascendant) when one is out among
the general public (Aries). I have found this to be the case. For
example, transits to this point indicate meetings out among the public (on
the street, in public buildings, etc.) It does indeed refer to those
components of relationships which take place out in public or which gain
public notice, and to our public persona.
Interesting that some astrologers (for example, those who use the Meridian
house system) employ the East Point in place of the Ascendant.... the East
Point is the way one is known for conducting oneself in public, while the
Ascendant is the way one interacts with others in more personal situations
(symbolically, specific to one's birthplace). This would imply that only
people who know us well could validate the pictures and aspects to the AS
while those who know us only in public situations would validate the
pictures and aspects to the EP.
This brings up the issue of relocation charts. We use the birthtime to
indicate how cosmic conditions imprinted and impacted our personalities at
birth... it would imply that if we change the angles to our relocated
residence, it follows that we should also change the planets for the date
and time we arrived at that new location to stay. For those who have
actually recorded the date and time they arrived at a new city of
residence, the new chart is quite noteworthy.... it is a chart of a new
life(style). You could also do synastry with your birthchart to see what
the challenges and changes are/were.
Blake Finley, MA
San Francisco, USA
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Date sent: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:50:18 EDT
<< In reference to the Vertex, a fellow Uranian Astrologer taught me
several years ago that the Vertex is the point of productivity... i.e.
what we produce in life. I have found it to indicate one's work
productivity...
In contrast the MC which often indicates social and career status.
With MC there are recognition issues (10th house type matters). With the
Vertex, the issue is productivity (6th house type matters).
Directions to the Vertex often major job events or changes, as do
transits. I watch transiting planets to my Vertex and this is borne out
repeatedly. Vertex may well have other spiritual or karmic connotations;
i.e. what we produce is what we "do", and from spiritual perspective, our
actions have a ripple effect both on others and on our own future dealings
with other people and situations.>>
>>
Hi Steve and Uranians,
Re: The Vertex:
Personally, I've not found the above to be true -- but
then again, my VX is in 8th, not in 6th. Perhaps in 6th it might work
this way; am curious if anyone else has found the above to be true.
Much more often, I've found the Vertex to act as another kind of
'Descendant' type of energy with what feels like 'karmic' overtones -- and
not just for me, but for clients time and time again. It seems to be a
most prominent feature found in synastries/composites of important,
seemingly 'fated' relationships or encounters.
Val
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Date sent: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:37:55 EDT
Interesting,
I had always heard that the vertex was a point of "fated" events or people.
Hmmm.....
Jen
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear group members,
When I read the post on the Vertex being linked to productivity, I had a
look at Hitler's chart (due to the Columbine High School connection).
Looking at the 90 degree chart, we can immediately see Hades = Vertex
by only 10 minutes orb.
Placing the pointer on Ha,Vx we get:
Ha, Vx = No / Kr = Vu / Pl = Me / Cu
I would need to see many more charts before I accept the post regarding
productivity (etc.), but Hitler's Vx does show some very relevant PPs for
the person he was.
The combination of Hades, Pluto, Vulcanus, with the Node, etc. shows some very powerful energies.
Steve