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crimsoncurrentNote on Cancer 20: Since you quoted Bovee’s Cancer 20 ("Gondoliers in a serenade"), he frames it as "answering the call" per his Acorn Theory—each soul following its unique melody. It’s about tuning into life’s serenade, accepting others’ paths without judgment, aligning with Cancer’s sensitivity to flow and harmony.
Marc Edmund Jones (Sabian Symbols)
19° Cancer (Cancer 20):
Symbol: "Venetian gondoliers giving a serenade."
Interpretation: Jones depicts a collective, romantic act—gondoliers singing in unison. It’s Cancer’s emotional warmth expressed through shared tradition, creating a sentimental, nurturing atmosphere.
Keyword: "Sentiment." Focuses on group harmony over individual spotlight.
Dane Rudhyar (Sabian Symbols Refinement)
19° Cancer (Cancer 20):
Symbol: "Gondoliers in a serenade."
Interpretation: Rudhyar views this as a tribute to human values and cultural heritage. The serenade unites people in a timeless, emotional experience, reflecting Cancer’s love of roots and community.
Keynote: "The traditional honor paid to human value." It’s about collective joy and connection.
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Ellias Lonsdale (Chandra Symbols)
"Many brightly-colored tropical fish" (Assuming 19° Cancer)
Symbol: "Many brightly-colored tropical fish" (Sandbach’s Chandra Symbol for Cancer 20, i.e., 19° Cancer).
Text Analysis:
Life-Flow and Vibrancy: Being "inside the life-flow" suggests immersion in Cancer’s emotional waters, where impressions and responses are vivid and intense—mirroring the fish’s colorful, fluid dance. This is Cancer’s intuitive depth amplified by the third-decan Pisces/Neptune influence.
Unconscious vs. Conscious: The "immense fertility of imaginative depths" stays submerged, unconscious, to avoid overwhelming the surface self. You create a "private preserve" to protect personal priorities, a Cancerian retreat into inner security.
Duality: A "rigid division" splits livingness (emotional, instinctual) from consciousness (rational, overt). This echoes Cancer’s tension between feeling and control—here, the fish swim freely below, while the mind stays "high and dry."
Consequences: This split is "severe," static, and repetitive, locking you into a cycle where vitality and awareness don’t merge. It’s a "final echo" of duality, hinting at a need to evolve into a "whole new way of being" when this pattern exhausts itself.
Essence: You’re a vessel of rich, unconscious creativity (the fish), but fear of flooding keeps it separate from conscious life. Growth lies in integrating these realms, a Cancerian challenge of embracing the full emotional spectrum.
Sandbach’s Take on "Many brightly-colored tropical fish" (19° Cancer)
Interpretation: Sandbach sees the fish as varied understandings, flowing unpredictably in a Taurean integration process. It’s artistic, uplifting, and fluid—not rigid or divided. He emphasizes surrender to the creative current, not a conscious/unconscious split.
Contrast: Sandbach’s tone is lighter, celebratory—fish as inspiration—while your Lonsdale-style text is heavier, probing the shadow of disconnection.
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Synthesis for 19° Cancer
Bovee’s Unique Angle: Unlike the others, Bovee’s 19° Cancer focuses on ritual and transformation (the priest), emphasizing Cancer’s role in binding souls, contrasting with his Cancer 20 focus on individual calls and social flow.
Shared Cancerian Essence: All reflect Cancer’s emotional core—Bovee (union), Jones/Rudhyar (shared sentiment), Kozminsky (inner light), Sandbach (free flow), Lonsdale (communal joy). The third decan (Pisces/Neptune) adds a dreamy, connective layer.
Contrasts: Bovee and Kozminsky lean inward (ritual, study), while Jones, Rudhyar, Sandbach, and Lonsdale emphasize outward or natural expression.
Bovee’s Cancer 20 (Your Quote)
Your excerpt ties Bovee’s Acorn Theory to "Gondoliers in a serenade," suggesting life’s call is a melody to follow, even if it defies expectations. It’s a beautiful, Cancerian take on acceptance and flow, distinct from his 19° focus on ceremonial ties.
If you meant to shift entirely to Cancer 20, I can expand there instead—just let me know! For now, this covers 19° Cancer with Bovee clarified. How would you like to proceed?
explain sandbach -Cancer 20: A keyboard which plays colors. (Omega Symbol) Manifesting/Inspired(Degee Angel: Haamiah (He-AH-mee-YAH) Circuitry, Ritual and ceremony)You have a deep understanding of many things, and are in sympathetic rapport with so much. It can all have a very elusive quality though, always coming and going, appearing and disappearing. You need to know that this is OK, that there is a higher security to be had in the flux of spiritual energies, rather than in mere surface stability and physical security in this world.The Chandra Symbol for this degree is “Many brightly colored tropical fish.” Both the colors of the Omega Symbol and the fish of the Chandra Symbol move, flow, and flicker. Fish signify understanding. This is a Taurean degree and so has to do with the process of integration. The integration here, though, is not of the nature of building blocks or set formulas, but is very mutative and unpredictable, always yielding new, surprising and beautifully fluid combinations. This degree is at heart a true artist – not one who consciously and objectively carries out their work, but one who is caught up in it and swept away by it. And, if only they can stay on this wavelength it can be so very uplifting, energizing and refreshing to other people.Pleiadian Symbol: Singing and laughter echoing through a network of canals.Azoth Symbol: A poet mesmerizing listeners with his wondrous poems.Seed degree: Scorpio 22. A mountain of old shoes. (Omega Symbol). Having understood things in so many different ways, and having realized that each one of these ways is not the ultimate one, we realize the glorious spectrum of reality on which the music of the universe is played.A rug woven out of rags. (Chandra Symbol). When we let go of old, worn out and no longer needed identities and allow their accumulated totality to form a basis for our understanding, we find ourselves envisioning a wonderful array of extremely varied insights.Fulfillment degree: Taurus 10. A wondrous perfume that follows a man wherever he goes. (Omega Symbol). The symphonies which the keyboard of colors has played become the perfume of memories that envelop us with their allurement and mystery.A man exhaling clouds of iridescent smoke. (Chandra Symbol). So many different and varied understandings merge and blend within us until we feel the poetic urge to let them flow forth from ourselves.OracleIt was a female alchemist who discovered that rainbows are actually musical instruments. She invented a keyboard for them so that her long, white fingers might cause the colors to flicker and glow over a particular lake where she most loved to play, especially at twilight and after a rainstorm. Far into the sky and deep into the lake the colors' delicate effulgence created fugues of light, darting through the atmosphere like schools of fish, or the luminous threads of a spontaneous tapestry giving birth to itself.
Let’s unpack John Sandbach’s interpretation of 19° Cancer (Cancer 20 in his Chandra system), where he assigns the Omega Symbol "A keyboard which plays colors" and ties it to the Degree Angel Haamiah (Ritual and Ceremony). Sandbach’s approach blends poetic imagery, spiritual insight, and symbolic layers, drawing from his Omega, Chandra, Pleiadian, and Azoth Symbols, as well as seed and fulfillment degrees. I’ll break this down step-by-step to explain his perspective, rooted in Cancer’s emotional depth and the degree’s Taurean decan influence.
Core Symbolism: Omega Symbol - "A keyboard which plays colors" (Manifesting/Inspired)
Imagery: Sandbach envisions a fantastical keyboard that, instead of producing sound, generates colors—shimmering, flowing hues that dance through the air. This evokes a synesthetic experience, where senses merge, reflecting Cancer’s intuitive, fluid nature and its third-decan Piscean/Neptunian creativity.
Meaning: You’re deeply attuned to life’s subtleties, with a "sympathetic rapport" to the world’s unseen currents. This sensitivity lets you "play" reality like an artist, manifesting inspiration through emotional and spiritual resonance rather than rigid structure. The colors suggest a dynamic, ever-shifting expression of understanding.
Guidance: Sandbach advises embracing this elusiveness—colors appear and fade, just as insights ebb and flow. True security lies not in physical stability but in trusting the flux of spiritual energies, aligning with Cancer’s quest for emotional depth over surface certainty.
Chandra Symbol: "Many brightly colored tropical fish"
Imagery: A school of vibrant fish swims through water, their colors flickering like the keyboard’s output. Water ties to Cancer’s element, and the fish symbolize understanding—intuitive, instinctual knowledge rather than intellectual constructs.
Connection: Both symbols (keyboard and fish) emphasize movement, flow, and unpredictability. The Taurean decan (Cancer 16°-20°, ruled by Venus in traditional astrology) suggests integration, but here it’s fluid and organic—not fixed or formulaic. The result is a kaleidoscope of insights, ever-changing and beautiful.
Artistic Essence: Sandbach describes this degree as a "true artist"—not deliberate or controlled, but swept up in the creative current. This spontaneity uplifts others when you stay aligned with it, reflecting Cancer’s nurturing potential through inspiration.
Degree Angel: Haamiah (Circuitry, Ritual and Ceremony)
Role: Haamiah governs this degree (19°-20° Cancer), symbolizing structured flow—like circuitry connecting energy or rituals honoring life’s patterns. This complements the keyboard’s ordered chaos and the fish’s natural dance.
Influence: It suggests your "call" involves weaving emotional and spiritual threads into meaningful acts—ceremonies of color and motion that link the mundane to the divine, echoing Cancer’s protective, connective instincts.
Additional Symbols
Pleiadian Symbol: "Singing and laughter echoing through a network of canals." This amplifies the communal, joyful flow—sound and emotion rippling outward, like gondoliers in Jones/Rudhyar’s take, but with a playful, Cancerian warmth.
Azoth Symbol: "A poet mesmerizing listeners with his wondrous poems." Here, the keyboard’s colors become words, captivating others with imaginative depth—a Cancerian gift of emotional storytelling.
Seed and Fulfillment Degrees (Karmic Journey)
Seed Degree:
Scorpio 22 - "A mountain of old shoes" (Omega): Past experiences pile up, each perspective tried and discarded, leading to a broader, colorful spectrum of understanding.
Scorpio 22 - "A rug woven out of rags" (Chandra): Old identities merge into a foundation, birthing diverse, fluid insights—like fish swimming from a woven past.
Fulfillment Degree:
Taurus 10 - "A wondrous perfume that follows a man wherever he goes" (Omega): The keyboard’s symphonies linger as a haunting, alluring memory, a lasting emotional imprint.
Taurus 10 - "A man exhaling clouds of iridescent smoke" (Chandra): Insights blend into a poetic release, shared with the world in shimmering beauty.
Oracle: The Female Alchemist
Story: Sandbach’s oracle paints a vivid scene: a female alchemist invents the color-playing keyboard, her fingers coaxing rainbows over a lake at twilight. The colors weave "fugues of light," darting like fish or threads in a self-creating tapestry.
Interpretation: This feminine figure embodies Cancer’s intuitive mastery, transforming the ordinary (rainbows, water) into art. Her lake-setting ties to Cancer’s emotional waters, and the spontaneity mirrors the degree’s theme of fluid creation.
Synthesis: Cancer 20’s Essence
Cancerian Context: At 19° Cancer, in the Taurean decan (Venus-ruled), this degree blends Cancer’s lunar sensitivity with Taurus’s earthy integration, filtered through Pisces/Neptune’s dreamy third-decan influence. It’s emotional, nurturing, and artistic, but RESISTS FIXITY.
Sandbach’s Vision: You’re a conduit for spiritual flux—playing life’s colors, swimming its currents. The keyboard and fish suggest a non-linear, inspired existence, where understanding shifts like light on water. It’s less about building and more about flowing, uplifting others when you surrender to the process. ART/PHOTOGRAPHY
Practical Insight: Embrace the impermanence of your gifts. Let go of needing to pin them down, and trust that your intuitive "music" resonates deeply, even if it’s fleeting.
Sandbach’s take is poetic and mystical, contrasting with Jones/Rudhyar’s structured gondoliers or Kozminsky’s introspective scholar. It’s Cancer as an artist of the ephemeral, weaving beauty from FLUX. How does this resonate with what you’re exploring? Want to dive deeper into any part?
Taurean decan influence - EARTHQUAKE???
Marc Edmund Jones (Sabian Symbols)
19° Cancer (Cancer 20):
Symbol: "Venetian gondoliers giving a serenade."
Interpretation: Jones depicts a collective, romantic act—gondoliers singing in unison. It’s Cancer’s emotional warmth expressed through shared tradition, creating a sentimental, nurturing atmosphere.
Keyword: "Sentiment." Focuses on group harmony over individual spotlight.
Dane Rudhyar (Sabian Symbols Refinement)
19° Cancer (Cancer 20):
Symbol: "Gondoliers in a serenade."
Interpretation: Rudhyar views this as a tribute to human values and cultural heritage. The serenade unites people in a timeless, emotional experience, reflecting Cancer’s love of roots and community.
Keynote: "The traditional honor paid to human value." It’s about collective joy and connection.
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Ellias Lonsdale (Chandra Symbols)
"Many brightly-colored tropical fish" (Assuming 19° Cancer)
Symbol: "Many brightly-colored tropical fish" (Sandbach’s Chandra Symbol for Cancer 20, i.e., 19° Cancer).
Text Analysis:
Life-Flow and Vibrancy: Being "inside the life-flow" suggests immersion in Cancer’s emotional waters, where impressions and responses are vivid and intense—mirroring the fish’s colorful, fluid dance. This is Cancer’s intuitive depth amplified by the third-decan Pisces/Neptune influence.
Unconscious vs. Conscious: The "immense fertility of imaginative depths" stays submerged, unconscious, to avoid overwhelming the surface self. You create a "private preserve" to protect personal priorities, a Cancerian retreat into inner security.
Duality: A "rigid division" splits livingness (emotional, instinctual) from consciousness (rational, overt). This echoes Cancer’s tension between feeling and control—here, the fish swim freely below, while the mind stays "high and dry."
Consequences: This split is "severe," static, and repetitive, locking you into a cycle where vitality and awareness don’t merge. It’s a "final echo" of duality, hinting at a need to evolve into a "whole new way of being" when this pattern exhausts itself.
Essence: You’re a vessel of rich, unconscious creativity (the fish), but fear of flooding keeps it separate from conscious life. Growth lies in integrating these realms, a Cancerian challenge of embracing the full emotional spectrum.
Sandbach’s Take on "Many brightly-colored tropical fish" (19° Cancer)
Interpretation: Sandbach sees the fish as varied understandings, flowing unpredictably in a Taurean integration process. It’s artistic, uplifting, and fluid—not rigid or divided. He emphasizes surrender to the creative current, not a conscious/unconscious split.
Contrast: Sandbach’s tone is lighter, celebratory—fish as inspiration—while your Lonsdale-style text is heavier, probing the shadow of disconnection.
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Synthesis for 19° Cancer
Bovee’s Unique Angle: Unlike the others, Bovee’s 19° Cancer focuses on ritual and transformation (the priest), emphasizing Cancer’s role in binding souls, contrasting with his Cancer 20 focus on individual calls and social flow.
Shared Cancerian Essence: All reflect Cancer’s emotional core—Bovee (union), Jones/Rudhyar (shared sentiment), Kozminsky (inner light), Sandbach (free flow), Lonsdale (communal joy). The third decan (Pisces/Neptune) adds a dreamy, connective layer.
Contrasts: Bovee and Kozminsky lean inward (ritual, study), while Jones, Rudhyar, Sandbach, and Lonsdale emphasize outward or natural expression.
Bovee’s Cancer 20 (Your Quote)
Your excerpt ties Bovee’s Acorn Theory to "Gondoliers in a serenade," suggesting life’s call is a melody to follow, even if it defies expectations. It’s a beautiful, Cancerian take on acceptance and flow, distinct from his 19° focus on ceremonial ties.
If you meant to shift entirely to Cancer 20, I can expand there instead—just let me know! For now, this covers 19° Cancer with Bovee clarified. How would you like to proceed?
explain sandbach -Cancer 20: A keyboard which plays colors. (Omega Symbol) Manifesting/Inspired(Degee Angel: Haamiah (He-AH-mee-YAH) Circuitry, Ritual and ceremony)You have a deep understanding of many things, and are in sympathetic rapport with so much. It can all have a very elusive quality though, always coming and going, appearing and disappearing. You need to know that this is OK, that there is a higher security to be had in the flux of spiritual energies, rather than in mere surface stability and physical security in this world.The Chandra Symbol for this degree is “Many brightly colored tropical fish.” Both the colors of the Omega Symbol and the fish of the Chandra Symbol move, flow, and flicker. Fish signify understanding. This is a Taurean degree and so has to do with the process of integration. The integration here, though, is not of the nature of building blocks or set formulas, but is very mutative and unpredictable, always yielding new, surprising and beautifully fluid combinations. This degree is at heart a true artist – not one who consciously and objectively carries out their work, but one who is caught up in it and swept away by it. And, if only they can stay on this wavelength it can be so very uplifting, energizing and refreshing to other people.Pleiadian Symbol: Singing and laughter echoing through a network of canals.Azoth Symbol: A poet mesmerizing listeners with his wondrous poems.Seed degree: Scorpio 22. A mountain of old shoes. (Omega Symbol). Having understood things in so many different ways, and having realized that each one of these ways is not the ultimate one, we realize the glorious spectrum of reality on which the music of the universe is played.A rug woven out of rags. (Chandra Symbol). When we let go of old, worn out and no longer needed identities and allow their accumulated totality to form a basis for our understanding, we find ourselves envisioning a wonderful array of extremely varied insights.Fulfillment degree: Taurus 10. A wondrous perfume that follows a man wherever he goes. (Omega Symbol). The symphonies which the keyboard of colors has played become the perfume of memories that envelop us with their allurement and mystery.A man exhaling clouds of iridescent smoke. (Chandra Symbol). So many different and varied understandings merge and blend within us until we feel the poetic urge to let them flow forth from ourselves.OracleIt was a female alchemist who discovered that rainbows are actually musical instruments. She invented a keyboard for them so that her long, white fingers might cause the colors to flicker and glow over a particular lake where she most loved to play, especially at twilight and after a rainstorm. Far into the sky and deep into the lake the colors' delicate effulgence created fugues of light, darting through the atmosphere like schools of fish, or the luminous threads of a spontaneous tapestry giving birth to itself.
Let’s unpack John Sandbach’s interpretation of 19° Cancer (Cancer 20 in his Chandra system), where he assigns the Omega Symbol "A keyboard which plays colors" and ties it to the Degree Angel Haamiah (Ritual and Ceremony). Sandbach’s approach blends poetic imagery, spiritual insight, and symbolic layers, drawing from his Omega, Chandra, Pleiadian, and Azoth Symbols, as well as seed and fulfillment degrees. I’ll break this down step-by-step to explain his perspective, rooted in Cancer’s emotional depth and the degree’s Taurean decan influence.
Core Symbolism: Omega Symbol - "A keyboard which plays colors" (Manifesting/Inspired)
Imagery: Sandbach envisions a fantastical keyboard that, instead of producing sound, generates colors—shimmering, flowing hues that dance through the air. This evokes a synesthetic experience, where senses merge, reflecting Cancer’s intuitive, fluid nature and its third-decan Piscean/Neptunian creativity.
Meaning: You’re deeply attuned to life’s subtleties, with a "sympathetic rapport" to the world’s unseen currents. This sensitivity lets you "play" reality like an artist, manifesting inspiration through emotional and spiritual resonance rather than rigid structure. The colors suggest a dynamic, ever-shifting expression of understanding.
Guidance: Sandbach advises embracing this elusiveness—colors appear and fade, just as insights ebb and flow. True security lies not in physical stability but in trusting the flux of spiritual energies, aligning with Cancer’s quest for emotional depth over surface certainty.
Chandra Symbol: "Many brightly colored tropical fish"
Imagery: A school of vibrant fish swims through water, their colors flickering like the keyboard’s output. Water ties to Cancer’s element, and the fish symbolize understanding—intuitive, instinctual knowledge rather than intellectual constructs.
Connection: Both symbols (keyboard and fish) emphasize movement, flow, and unpredictability. The Taurean decan (Cancer 16°-20°, ruled by Venus in traditional astrology) suggests integration, but here it’s fluid and organic—not fixed or formulaic. The result is a kaleidoscope of insights, ever-changing and beautiful.
Artistic Essence: Sandbach describes this degree as a "true artist"—not deliberate or controlled, but swept up in the creative current. This spontaneity uplifts others when you stay aligned with it, reflecting Cancer’s nurturing potential through inspiration.
Degree Angel: Haamiah (Circuitry, Ritual and Ceremony)
Role: Haamiah governs this degree (19°-20° Cancer), symbolizing structured flow—like circuitry connecting energy or rituals honoring life’s patterns. This complements the keyboard’s ordered chaos and the fish’s natural dance.
Influence: It suggests your "call" involves weaving emotional and spiritual threads into meaningful acts—ceremonies of color and motion that link the mundane to the divine, echoing Cancer’s protective, connective instincts.
Additional Symbols
Pleiadian Symbol: "Singing and laughter echoing through a network of canals." This amplifies the communal, joyful flow—sound and emotion rippling outward, like gondoliers in Jones/Rudhyar’s take, but with a playful, Cancerian warmth.
Azoth Symbol: "A poet mesmerizing listeners with his wondrous poems." Here, the keyboard’s colors become words, captivating others with imaginative depth—a Cancerian gift of emotional storytelling.
Seed and Fulfillment Degrees (Karmic Journey)
Seed Degree:
Scorpio 22 - "A mountain of old shoes" (Omega): Past experiences pile up, each perspective tried and discarded, leading to a broader, colorful spectrum of understanding.
Scorpio 22 - "A rug woven out of rags" (Chandra): Old identities merge into a foundation, birthing diverse, fluid insights—like fish swimming from a woven past.
Fulfillment Degree:
Taurus 10 - "A wondrous perfume that follows a man wherever he goes" (Omega): The keyboard’s symphonies linger as a haunting, alluring memory, a lasting emotional imprint.
Taurus 10 - "A man exhaling clouds of iridescent smoke" (Chandra): Insights blend into a poetic release, shared with the world in shimmering beauty.
Oracle: The Female Alchemist
Story: Sandbach’s oracle paints a vivid scene: a female alchemist invents the color-playing keyboard, her fingers coaxing rainbows over a lake at twilight. The colors weave "fugues of light," darting like fish or threads in a self-creating tapestry.
Interpretation: This feminine figure embodies Cancer’s intuitive mastery, transforming the ordinary (rainbows, water) into art. Her lake-setting ties to Cancer’s emotional waters, and the spontaneity mirrors the degree’s theme of fluid creation.
Synthesis: Cancer 20’s Essence
Cancerian Context: At 19° Cancer, in the Taurean decan (Venus-ruled), this degree blends Cancer’s lunar sensitivity with Taurus’s earthy integration, filtered through Pisces/Neptune’s dreamy third-decan influence. It’s emotional, nurturing, and artistic, but RESISTS FIXITY.
Sandbach’s Vision: You’re a conduit for spiritual flux—playing life’s colors, swimming its currents. The keyboard and fish suggest a non-linear, inspired existence, where understanding shifts like light on water. It’s less about building and more about flowing, uplifting others when you surrender to the process. ART/PHOTOGRAPHY
Practical Insight: Embrace the impermanence of your gifts. Let go of needing to pin them down, and trust that your intuitive "music" resonates deeply, even if it’s fleeting.
Sandbach’s take is poetic and mystical, contrasting with Jones/Rudhyar’s structured gondoliers or Kozminsky’s introspective scholar. It’s Cancer as an artist of the ephemeral, weaving beauty from FLUX. How does this resonate with what you’re exploring? Want to dive deeper into any part?
Taurean decan influence - EARTHQUAKE???