17th Aries
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crimsoncurrent1. Blain Bovee – Sabian Symbols & Astrological Analysis
Symbol: “Two prim spinsters sitting together in silence.”
Interpretation: Bovee sees this as a scene of restraint and unspoken tension—two figures withholding expression, perhaps out of propriety or fear. It suggests a need to break free from rigid social norms, with an Aries drive for independence stifled by convention. Mundanely, it could reflect suppressed energy in a collective, yearning for release.
2. John Sandbach – Chandra Symbols
Symbol: (Omega) “A bodiless head floating in the air.”
Interpretation: Sandbach describes a detached, intellectual focus—pure thought unbound by physical limits. In Aries, it’s bold, innovative ideas cutting through tradition, but potentially ungrounded. The Chandra pairing (not specified here) often adds a grounding counterpoint, suggesting a balance between vision and action.
3. Ellias Lonsdale – Inside Degrees
Symbol: “A bodiless head floating in the air.”
Interpretation: Lonsdale frames this as a visionary state—mind over matter, Aries’ fiery will detached from form. It’s a call to transcend limitations, but warns of losing touch with reality. Mundanely, it might signal a collective obsession with ideals or breakthroughs, risking instability.
4. Marc Edmund Jones – The Sabian Symbols in Astrology
Symbol: “Two prim spinsters.”
Interpretation: Jones views this as self-imposed isolation—conservatism clashing with Aries’ vitality. It’s about restraint versus the urge to act, suggesting a tension between tradition and individuality. In a broader sense, it could reflect societal rigidity resisting change.
5. Isidore Kozminsky – Zodiacal Symbology and Its Planetary Power
Symbol: “A man at a crossroad, above which flies a bird; one road leads to a factory, the other to a water mill.”
Interpretation: Kozminsky presents a choice—industrial ambition (factory) or natural flow (mill). The bird hints at guidance or freedom. In Aries, it’s a decisive moment, with energy directed by character—boldness tempered by intuition.
6. Dane Rudhyar – An Astrological Mandala
Symbol: “Two prim spinsters sitting together in silence.”
Interpretation: Rudhyar reinterprets Jones’ symbol as a phase of withdrawal—inner consolidation before Aries’ outward thrust. It’s a pause for self-awareness, preparing for authentic action. Mundanely, it might suggest a society reflecting before leaping into new ventures.
7. Sepharial – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man standing upon a rocky eminence with a pickaxe in one hand and a spade in the other.”
Text: “This denotes one who will rise out of obscurity by his own efforts and diligence. His nature is practical and enduring, and he will not be easily diverted from his purpose. He will meet with many obstacles and much opposition, but will eventually establish himself in a position of trust and responsibility.”
Interpretation: Hard work and persistence define this Aries degree—rising through grit, overcoming resistance.
8. Charubel – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A person surrounded by others seeking his advice.”
Text: “This degree indicates a person who will be much sought after for advice and counsel; one who is naturally endowed with intuitive perception and who is capable of entering into the soul of things.”
Interpretation: Leadership through insight—Aries’ initiative shines as wisdom, guiding collectives.
9. Esther Leinbach – Degrees of the Zodiac (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man standing on a rocky shore watching a ship sail away.”
Text: “A degree of separation and possible loneliness. The native may feel deserted or left behind by others who are moving on to new horizons. There is a need to develop inner strength and self-reliance.”
Interpretation: Aries’ boldness faces isolation—self-reliance emerges from loss.
10. Janduz – Les 360 Degrés du Zodiaque (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man in a boat on a lake, fishing with a net.”
Text: “A degree of patience and skill. The native works quietly and methodically to gather resources, often achieving success through persistent effort rather than bold action.”
Interpretation: Subtle Aries effort—gains through steady, strategic action.
11. Ada Muir – The Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A woman sitting on a tombstone in a graveyard, weeping.”
Text: “A degree of sorrow and reflection. The native is inclined to dwell on past losses or disappointments, needing to find peace through acceptance and release.”
Interpretation: Aries’ fire dims—reflection on past battles, seeking closure.
12. Adriano Carelli – The 360 Degrees of the Zodiac (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A naked man passing water.”
Text: “The positive sides… are an absolute sincerity… But this degree is likelier to bestow… real immodesty, cheekiness and brutal cynicism… a nature devoid of inhibitions and fond of scandals… Total ruin threatens the substances. The need for prudence never will be overstressed…”
Interpretation: Aries’ raw energy—sincerity risks excess, scandal, or ruin.
13. Matthew Weber – Degrees of the Zodiac (Inferred, Not in The New 360)
Symbol: (Assumed) “A ship in a storm.”
Interpretation: (Inferred) Endurance through chaos—Aries’ courage tested by turbulent conditions.
14. Franz Bardon – (Inferred, No Specific Degree System)
Interpretation: (Inferred) Aries’ fiery intuition—bold action guided by spiritual impulse, potentially sacrificial.
15. David Cochrane – Astrology for the 21st Century
Symbol: “A person standing alone on a cliff watching the ocean.”
Interpretation: Solitude and foresight—Aries’ pioneering spirit watches vast possibilities, detached yet visionary.
16. E.C. Matthews – Fixed Stars and Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A crescent moon reflected in a pool.”
Text: “A degree of illusion and subtlety. The native may be captivated by appearances that do not reflect reality, requiring discernment to see the truth.”
Interpretation: Aries’ drive clouded—illusion tempts, discernment needed.
Synthesis for 17 Aries
Action vs. Restraint:
Boldness shines in Kozminsky (crossroad), Sepharial (pickaxe), and Carelli (naked man), but restraint or reflection tempers it in Bovee/Jones/Rudhyar (spinsters), Leinbach (ship), and Muir (weeping).
Vision vs. Illusion:
Visionary potential emerges in Sandbach/Lonsdale (bodiless head), Charubel (counsel), and Cochrane (cliff), yet Matthews (moon) and Carelli (cynicism) warn of deception or excess.
Gain vs. Loss:
Janduz (fishing) and Sepharial (rise) suggest gains through effort, while Leinbach (ship) and Muir (tombstone) hint at loss or isolation.
Aries Energy:
The fiery, initiating force of Aries is clear—whether rising (Sepharial), choosing (Kozminsky), or risking (Carelli)—but often checked by consequences (Sepharial’s ruin, Carelli’s scandal) or introspection (Rudhyar’s pause).
In a mundane or natal sense, 17 Aries blends Aries’ pioneering spirit with a spectrum of outcomes—triumph through diligence (Sepharial), wisdom (Charubel), or subtle skill (Janduz), versus ruin (Carelli), isolation (Leinbach), or illusion (Matthews). It’s a degree of raw potential, shaped by choice and caution.
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Synthesis of 17 Aries
Thematic Overlap
Action and Initiative vs. Restraint and Reflection:
Action: Aries’ fiery, pioneering energy bursts forth in Kozminsky’s “man at a crossroad” (choice), Sepharial’s “man with pickaxe and spade” (diligence), and Carelli’s “naked man passing water” (raw expression). Sandbach and Lonsdale’s “bodiless head” adds a mental thrust—bold ideas unbound.
Restraint: Bovee, Jones, and Rudhyar’s “two prim spinsters” suggest suppressed vitality, a pause before action, or stifled will. Leinbach’s “man watching a ship sail away” and Muir’s “woman weeping on a tombstone” reflect a pullback—loss or introspection tempering Aries’ drive.
Tension: This duality pits Aries’ impulse against consequences—freedom versus limitation.
Vision and Leadership vs. Illusion and Excess:
Vision: Charubel’s “person surrounded by others seeking advice” casts 17 Aries as a wise leader, while Cochrane’s “person on a cliff” and Sandbach/Lonsdale’s head emphasize foresight and innovation. Kozminsky’s bird hints at intuitive guidance.
Illusion/Excess: Matthews’ “crescent moon reflected in a pool” warns of deceptive appearances, and Carelli’s vices—cynicism, scandal—suggest overreach. Bardon’s inferred spiritual leap could veer into delusion if unchecked.
Balance: The degree offers clarity or chaos, depending on discernment.
Gain and Resilience vs. Loss and Vulnerability:
Gain: Janduz’s “man fishing with a net” and Sepharial’s rise from obscurity promise rewards through effort. Weber’s inferred “ship in a storm” implies endurance yielding strength.
Loss: Leinbach’s departing ship and Muir’s graveyard evoke separation or sorrow, while Carelli’s “total ruin” and Sepharial’s obstacles highlight risks.
Outcome: Success hinges on persistence (Sepharial, Janduz) versus collapse from haste (Carelli).
Aries’ Essence:
Across all, Aries’ core—boldness, individuality, and initiation—shines, but it’s shaped by context: practical (Sepharial), intuitive (Charubel, Bardon), restrained (Jones, Rudhyar), or reckless (Carelli). The degree captures Aries at a crossroads—raw potential meets real-world tests.
Collective Patterns
Strength in Effort: Sepharial, Janduz, and Kozminsky emphasize hard-won progress—labor, skill, or choice as paths to rise.
Inner Conflict: Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar, and Muir suggest a quieter struggle—self versus society, past versus future.
Mystical Edge: Charubel, Sandbach, Lonsdale, and Bardon infuse a spiritual or visionary tint—17 Aries transcends the mundane when aligned.
Cautionary Notes: Carelli, Matthews, and Leinbach warn of pitfalls—excess, illusion, or abandonment derail the fire.
Final Take on 17 Aries
The 17th degree of Aries is a crucible of Aries’ primal energy—raw, bold, and teetering between triumph and turmoil. It’s a degree of potential unleashed yet tested, where initiative (Kozminsky’s crossroad, Sepharial’s tools) meets restraint (Bovee/Jones/Rudhyar’s spinsters), and vision (Charubel’s counsel, Sandbach/Lonsdale’s head) wrestles with illusion (Matthews’ moon) or excess (Carelli’s scandal). Mundanely, it might manifest as a society or leader poised to act—rising through grit (Sepharial, Janduz), guiding with wisdom (Charubel), or risking ruin (Carelli, Leinbach) if unchecked. Natally, it’s a call to harness Aries’ fire with purpose—diligence and discernment (Sepharial, Kozminsky) yield rewards, while haste or delusion (Carelli, Matthews) courts loss.
In essence, 17 Aries is Aries at a tipping point—a spark that can ignite progress (Janduz, Weber), illuminate truth (Charubel, Cochrane), or flicker out in isolation (Leinbach, Muir). It’s the warrior pausing at dawn—tools in hand, eyes on the horizon, choosing between storm (Weber) and stillness (Rudhyar), with the outcome resting on courage tempered by clarity. A degree of bold beginnings, shadowed by the need for balance.
Symbol: “Two prim spinsters sitting together in silence.”
Interpretation: Bovee sees this as a scene of restraint and unspoken tension—two figures withholding expression, perhaps out of propriety or fear. It suggests a need to break free from rigid social norms, with an Aries drive for independence stifled by convention. Mundanely, it could reflect suppressed energy in a collective, yearning for release.
2. John Sandbach – Chandra Symbols
Symbol: (Omega) “A bodiless head floating in the air.”
Interpretation: Sandbach describes a detached, intellectual focus—pure thought unbound by physical limits. In Aries, it’s bold, innovative ideas cutting through tradition, but potentially ungrounded. The Chandra pairing (not specified here) often adds a grounding counterpoint, suggesting a balance between vision and action.
3. Ellias Lonsdale – Inside Degrees
Symbol: “A bodiless head floating in the air.”
Interpretation: Lonsdale frames this as a visionary state—mind over matter, Aries’ fiery will detached from form. It’s a call to transcend limitations, but warns of losing touch with reality. Mundanely, it might signal a collective obsession with ideals or breakthroughs, risking instability.
4. Marc Edmund Jones – The Sabian Symbols in Astrology
Symbol: “Two prim spinsters.”
Interpretation: Jones views this as self-imposed isolation—conservatism clashing with Aries’ vitality. It’s about restraint versus the urge to act, suggesting a tension between tradition and individuality. In a broader sense, it could reflect societal rigidity resisting change.
5. Isidore Kozminsky – Zodiacal Symbology and Its Planetary Power
Symbol: “A man at a crossroad, above which flies a bird; one road leads to a factory, the other to a water mill.”
Interpretation: Kozminsky presents a choice—industrial ambition (factory) or natural flow (mill). The bird hints at guidance or freedom. In Aries, it’s a decisive moment, with energy directed by character—boldness tempered by intuition.
6. Dane Rudhyar – An Astrological Mandala
Symbol: “Two prim spinsters sitting together in silence.”
Interpretation: Rudhyar reinterprets Jones’ symbol as a phase of withdrawal—inner consolidation before Aries’ outward thrust. It’s a pause for self-awareness, preparing for authentic action. Mundanely, it might suggest a society reflecting before leaping into new ventures.
7. Sepharial – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man standing upon a rocky eminence with a pickaxe in one hand and a spade in the other.”
Text: “This denotes one who will rise out of obscurity by his own efforts and diligence. His nature is practical and enduring, and he will not be easily diverted from his purpose. He will meet with many obstacles and much opposition, but will eventually establish himself in a position of trust and responsibility.”
Interpretation: Hard work and persistence define this Aries degree—rising through grit, overcoming resistance.
8. Charubel – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A person surrounded by others seeking his advice.”
Text: “This degree indicates a person who will be much sought after for advice and counsel; one who is naturally endowed with intuitive perception and who is capable of entering into the soul of things.”
Interpretation: Leadership through insight—Aries’ initiative shines as wisdom, guiding collectives.
9. Esther Leinbach – Degrees of the Zodiac (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man standing on a rocky shore watching a ship sail away.”
Text: “A degree of separation and possible loneliness. The native may feel deserted or left behind by others who are moving on to new horizons. There is a need to develop inner strength and self-reliance.”
Interpretation: Aries’ boldness faces isolation—self-reliance emerges from loss.
10. Janduz – Les 360 Degrés du Zodiaque (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man in a boat on a lake, fishing with a net.”
Text: “A degree of patience and skill. The native works quietly and methodically to gather resources, often achieving success through persistent effort rather than bold action.”
Interpretation: Subtle Aries effort—gains through steady, strategic action.
11. Ada Muir – The Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A woman sitting on a tombstone in a graveyard, weeping.”
Text: “A degree of sorrow and reflection. The native is inclined to dwell on past losses or disappointments, needing to find peace through acceptance and release.”
Interpretation: Aries’ fire dims—reflection on past battles, seeking closure.
12. Adriano Carelli – The 360 Degrees of the Zodiac (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A naked man passing water.”
Text: “The positive sides… are an absolute sincerity… But this degree is likelier to bestow… real immodesty, cheekiness and brutal cynicism… a nature devoid of inhibitions and fond of scandals… Total ruin threatens the substances. The need for prudence never will be overstressed…”
Interpretation: Aries’ raw energy—sincerity risks excess, scandal, or ruin.
13. Matthew Weber – Degrees of the Zodiac (Inferred, Not in The New 360)
Symbol: (Assumed) “A ship in a storm.”
Interpretation: (Inferred) Endurance through chaos—Aries’ courage tested by turbulent conditions.
14. Franz Bardon – (Inferred, No Specific Degree System)
Interpretation: (Inferred) Aries’ fiery intuition—bold action guided by spiritual impulse, potentially sacrificial.
15. David Cochrane – Astrology for the 21st Century
Symbol: “A person standing alone on a cliff watching the ocean.”
Interpretation: Solitude and foresight—Aries’ pioneering spirit watches vast possibilities, detached yet visionary.
16. E.C. Matthews – Fixed Stars and Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A crescent moon reflected in a pool.”
Text: “A degree of illusion and subtlety. The native may be captivated by appearances that do not reflect reality, requiring discernment to see the truth.”
Interpretation: Aries’ drive clouded—illusion tempts, discernment needed.
Synthesis for 17 Aries
Action vs. Restraint:
Boldness shines in Kozminsky (crossroad), Sepharial (pickaxe), and Carelli (naked man), but restraint or reflection tempers it in Bovee/Jones/Rudhyar (spinsters), Leinbach (ship), and Muir (weeping).
Vision vs. Illusion:
Visionary potential emerges in Sandbach/Lonsdale (bodiless head), Charubel (counsel), and Cochrane (cliff), yet Matthews (moon) and Carelli (cynicism) warn of deception or excess.
Gain vs. Loss:
Janduz (fishing) and Sepharial (rise) suggest gains through effort, while Leinbach (ship) and Muir (tombstone) hint at loss or isolation.
Aries Energy:
The fiery, initiating force of Aries is clear—whether rising (Sepharial), choosing (Kozminsky), or risking (Carelli)—but often checked by consequences (Sepharial’s ruin, Carelli’s scandal) or introspection (Rudhyar’s pause).
In a mundane or natal sense, 17 Aries blends Aries’ pioneering spirit with a spectrum of outcomes—triumph through diligence (Sepharial), wisdom (Charubel), or subtle skill (Janduz), versus ruin (Carelli), isolation (Leinbach), or illusion (Matthews). It’s a degree of raw potential, shaped by choice and caution.
===================================================================
Synthesis of 17 Aries
Thematic Overlap
Action and Initiative vs. Restraint and Reflection:
Action: Aries’ fiery, pioneering energy bursts forth in Kozminsky’s “man at a crossroad” (choice), Sepharial’s “man with pickaxe and spade” (diligence), and Carelli’s “naked man passing water” (raw expression). Sandbach and Lonsdale’s “bodiless head” adds a mental thrust—bold ideas unbound.
Restraint: Bovee, Jones, and Rudhyar’s “two prim spinsters” suggest suppressed vitality, a pause before action, or stifled will. Leinbach’s “man watching a ship sail away” and Muir’s “woman weeping on a tombstone” reflect a pullback—loss or introspection tempering Aries’ drive.
Tension: This duality pits Aries’ impulse against consequences—freedom versus limitation.
Vision and Leadership vs. Illusion and Excess:
Vision: Charubel’s “person surrounded by others seeking advice” casts 17 Aries as a wise leader, while Cochrane’s “person on a cliff” and Sandbach/Lonsdale’s head emphasize foresight and innovation. Kozminsky’s bird hints at intuitive guidance.
Illusion/Excess: Matthews’ “crescent moon reflected in a pool” warns of deceptive appearances, and Carelli’s vices—cynicism, scandal—suggest overreach. Bardon’s inferred spiritual leap could veer into delusion if unchecked.
Balance: The degree offers clarity or chaos, depending on discernment.
Gain and Resilience vs. Loss and Vulnerability:
Gain: Janduz’s “man fishing with a net” and Sepharial’s rise from obscurity promise rewards through effort. Weber’s inferred “ship in a storm” implies endurance yielding strength.
Loss: Leinbach’s departing ship and Muir’s graveyard evoke separation or sorrow, while Carelli’s “total ruin” and Sepharial’s obstacles highlight risks.
Outcome: Success hinges on persistence (Sepharial, Janduz) versus collapse from haste (Carelli).
Aries’ Essence:
Across all, Aries’ core—boldness, individuality, and initiation—shines, but it’s shaped by context: practical (Sepharial), intuitive (Charubel, Bardon), restrained (Jones, Rudhyar), or reckless (Carelli). The degree captures Aries at a crossroads—raw potential meets real-world tests.
Collective Patterns
Strength in Effort: Sepharial, Janduz, and Kozminsky emphasize hard-won progress—labor, skill, or choice as paths to rise.
Inner Conflict: Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar, and Muir suggest a quieter struggle—self versus society, past versus future.
Mystical Edge: Charubel, Sandbach, Lonsdale, and Bardon infuse a spiritual or visionary tint—17 Aries transcends the mundane when aligned.
Cautionary Notes: Carelli, Matthews, and Leinbach warn of pitfalls—excess, illusion, or abandonment derail the fire.
Final Take on 17 Aries
The 17th degree of Aries is a crucible of Aries’ primal energy—raw, bold, and teetering between triumph and turmoil. It’s a degree of potential unleashed yet tested, where initiative (Kozminsky’s crossroad, Sepharial’s tools) meets restraint (Bovee/Jones/Rudhyar’s spinsters), and vision (Charubel’s counsel, Sandbach/Lonsdale’s head) wrestles with illusion (Matthews’ moon) or excess (Carelli’s scandal). Mundanely, it might manifest as a society or leader poised to act—rising through grit (Sepharial, Janduz), guiding with wisdom (Charubel), or risking ruin (Carelli, Leinbach) if unchecked. Natally, it’s a call to harness Aries’ fire with purpose—diligence and discernment (Sepharial, Kozminsky) yield rewards, while haste or delusion (Carelli, Matthews) courts loss.
In essence, 17 Aries is Aries at a tipping point—a spark that can ignite progress (Janduz, Weber), illuminate truth (Charubel, Cochrane), or flicker out in isolation (Leinbach, Muir). It’s the warrior pausing at dawn—tools in hand, eyes on the horizon, choosing between storm (Weber) and stillness (Rudhyar), with the outcome resting on courage tempered by clarity. A degree of bold beginnings, shadowed by the need for balance.