17 Libra

Oct. 2nd, 2025 02:21 pm
Keywords: Memories and peaceful contemplation. Disconnection
from the past. Concentrating on more immediate circumstances.
Fatigue and the need for rest. Being a spectator rather than a
participant. Being part of an audience. Voyeurism. Turning to
domestic pursuits. Writing one’s memoirs. Nostalgia. Safe ports
or harbors. Retiring from public life.
The Caution: A cop-out, escaping from reality. Relying on past
experiences. A need to defend one’s shoreline. Losing faith
in life. Staring at lost opportunities and times gone by. Not
wanting to contributing any more. Losing interest in the struggle.
Disillusionment. Frustration. Boredom.

(weekly) Synagogue Attack - Mercury

17 Taurus

Jun. 2nd, 2025 03:47 pm
RESOLUTION: BATTLE OF SWORDS AND TORCHES

This universal idea is best expressed through planets in
17TH DEGREE OF TAURUS (16°- 17°)

We must learn to discern between what ennobles us, and what betrays spirit
What we want and what we need are not always the same. In fact the compelling force of necessity is rarely kind enough to indulge our pleasures much. Yet the mind is as a sword whose sharpness can cut through to the nub of any matter and give clear instructions that should guide us to the right path. Unfortunately, there is often a contrary compulsion within to follow what we hold a torch for, and go against what may be best strategy.
Distracted by things of secondary importance, we can lose self-competence. Yet distraction itself is needed if we are to learn how better to concentrate our attention on appropriate matters. We must learn discernment to know the difference between what is and what is not appropriate. The primary concern surely must always be to demonstrate and develop competence at being ourselves at the most profound level we can reach.
With care, we can learn how to look beneath the surface of the things that come and go, to find a centre deep and true. In every event or thing, however transient it may be, there is a central cause that speaks eloquently to us of its essence-nature. Whether we give our full enlightened attention to the heart of a matter has great consequence, because attention illuminates our path to the future, and shapes our very being.
Life is a glorious struggle – a constant full-on battle between what we must do to survive, and the purposes we pursue in order to give our life a meaning beyond survival and comfort. On this battlefield we are raised or we fall. Nobility of spirit is the true reward that can be enjoyed to the end of our days on Earth – and beyond.
A more immediate and tangible benefit, as we extend our ability to distinguish the important aspects in a situation, is a growing mastery in organizational skills. Understanding how things work and how to make things work, is nothing short of magick. And what skill is of greater value to a magician than his ability to discern the key to a matter – and to know how and when to turn it?
However – a note of caution: our own personal power may well be comforting and impressive, especially when it is not rivalled. Yet it is neither omnipotent nor everlasting. So we learn, whether by example or bitter experience, that the wise respect the power of all others. True personal power is as much expressed in our ability to accept and adapt to the inevitable as it is to change the unacceptable.

Life throws up situations that require us to CHOOSE between this and that. The wisdom of any situation comes from finding the resolution of which of two courses to pursue. These choices are very often of very profound consequence – they actually define us, they create our identity. We must learn to DISCERN between the trivial and the consequential, between wants and needs, between struggle and surrender, between that which ennobles, and that which betrays the spirit. As we do so, we gain mastery over our lives and become excellent at managing the changes to suit our preferences and principles.



A SYMBOLICAL BATTLE BETWEEN ‘SWORDS’ THE DISCIPLES OF MIGHT, AND ‘TORCHES’, THE DISCIPLES OF ENLIGHTENMENT
Commentary: ‘A Symbolical Battle’ is pictured here, between the ‘Swords and Torches’. The ‘Swords’ are pictured to be ‘The Disciples of Might’ and the ‘Torches’ ‘The Disciples of Enlightenment’. The ‘Swords’ show weapons and strong-arm tactics, whereas the ‘Torches’ are instruments that bring truth and light. Arguments over ideals can easily lead to 'Battles' and war. This suggests a split between using power and strength and using reason and intelligence.
Oracle: There is a struggle between practical needs and the underlying reasons for having those needs. It can be that someone has become so caught up in “what” they are trying to achieve that they have probably lost sight of “why”. The endeavor to bring ‘Enlightenment’ to people often meets with resistance, particularly when this ‘Enlightenment’ will disrupt the usual process of things. One can see this in places where the media has a stranglehold on information. In some instances it is for political agendas and in others it is for commercial reasons, but the effect is the same: to achieve or to maintain a particular agenda by persuasive force. ‘Battles’ are only truly worth fighting when the ideals behind them are clearly believed in or understood. To do this it is often important to pause and reassess why you are doing what you are doing. If fighting becomes a habit and loses its purpose, the spirit can become confused and therefore weakened. Any confusion inside you is an indicator that the power of the outer world needs to be reconsidered. How can things be transformed and brought into the light of acceptance and understanding so that the ‘Sword’ can be dropped and peace reign?

Keywords: The battle of “might versus light”. The Spear of Destiny. Spiritual differences. Arguments. The story of Hitler. The Inquisition. The Crusades. Bringing love and light to war zones. The pen being mightier than the sword. Peace marches, Candles, torches. Weapons. The might of the media.
The Caution: Controlling those around with rational or brute force rather than with inner enlightenment or knowledge. People arguing over ideals. Forcing opinions on each other. Religious conflicts. War rallies. Propaganda.

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Taurus 17: A battle between the swords and the torches
Cutting through twisted issues...


There are two major themes within Taurus 17: swords; torches.

Swords are weapons with an edge for cutting. Symbolic of discriminatory awareness, 'cutting through' complex issues with a sharp decisive edge is a very positive manifestation. On a less comfortable note, one may feel all twisted and confused by complex feelings about a situation. In that case, a harsh sharp decisive edge may befall you like a sword dangling over your head.

Torches are symbolic of the fire of spirit, the flames of passion. When pine boughs are twisted together and set a flame, they burn a brilliant torch light. The central theme is to bind in a twisting motion all the individual strands of feeling, emotion, passion and spirit.

Sometimes, emotions and passions create an uncomfortable situation that leaves you squirming in your seat. The sword, by its very nature, is the instrument of cutting through that turmoil.

Another underlying theme within Taurus 17 concerns the potential failure of trying to cut through an issue by yourself. In other words, you cannot do it alone.
Someone else, or others in general, is needed to help make the clean clear decision. One can be decisive, but leave out a crucial thread resulting in an outcome less satisfying.

Blain Bovee

MARS CONJ URANUS in Jup ST -1/12/22



Taurus 17. A book patiently waiting to spill forth its vast and profound knowledge. (Omega Symbol) Manifesting/Sensitive

(Degree Angel: Asaliah (a-SA-lee-YAH) Global Transformation, Contemplation)

You have accumulated much wisdom in past lives, and continue to do so in this one. There is so much in you of value to others, even though they may not fully realize this. You desire to share, but may often have to wait for the right time and place to do so. The more you accept rather than doubt your worth, the more clearly you will be able to pursue your own special path.

The Chandra Symbol for this degree is “A Pomegranate broken open.” This degree has an inability to hold anything back for long, and is always wanting to break open situations so they may be freed from their restrictions and allow in new possibilities. What is contained in the book of the Omega Symbol is here brought forth.

This degree has a massive fecundity and potential, but possibly suffers from the frustration of being unsure of what to do with all this largess. Another source of frustration could be that it finds others lacking in appreciation of the great value of what it brings forth from itself.

The greatest need here is to be what one is, to accept the self's abundance and seek inner guidance as to how to develop and use it, and also, at the same time, to place one's consciousness beyond any attachment to the reactions of others.




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Summary: The 17° Taurus degree, with John Sandbach’s Omega Symbol “A book patiently waiting to spill forth its vast and profound knowledge,” signifies a reservoir of wisdom ready to transform through patient sharing, guided by the Degree Angel Asaliah (Global Transformation, Contemplation), while the Chandra Symbol “A Pomegranate broken open” highlights abundant potential, though frustration may stem from underappreciation. The corrected Kozminsky Symbol, “A sea-gull flying over the waters of the ocean,” evokes freedom, spirituality, and a restless, wandering spirit, suggesting a pursuit of higher meaning beyond routine, aligning with Taurus’s stability yet yearning for transcendence. In Vedic astrology, 17° Taurus in Rohini nakshatra’s third pada (Virgo-ruled) emphasizes nurturing material and creative growth, particularly in agriculture or arts. Other interpretations, such as warnings of futility or over-optimism, underscore the need to align efforts with natural laws.

17 Taurus

Jun. 2nd, 2025 02:33 pm
A book patiently waiting to spill forth its vast and profound knowledge. (Omega Symbol) Manifesting/Sensitive

(Degree Angel: Asaliah (a-SA-lee-YAH) Global Transformation, Contemplation)

You have accumulated much wisdom in past lives, and continue to do so in this one. There is so much in you of value to others, even though they may not fully realize this. You desire to share, but may often have to wait for the right time and place to do so. The more you accept rather than doubt your worth, the more clearly you will be able to pursue your own special path.

The Chandra Symbol for this degree is “A Pomegranate broken open.” This degree has an inability to hold anything back for long, and is always wanting to break open situations so they may be FREED from their RESTRICTIONS and allow in NEW possibilities. What is contained in the book of the Omega Symbol is here brought forth.

This degree has a massive fecundity and POTENTIAL, but possibly suffers from the FRUSTRATION of being UNSURE of what to do with all this largess. Another source of frustration could be that it finds others lacking in appreciation of the great value of what it brings forth from itself.

The greatest need here is to be what one is, to accept the self’s abundance and seek inner guidance as to how to develop and use it, and also, at the same time, to place one’s consciousness beyond any attachment to the REACTIONS of OTHERS.

Pleiadian Symbol:Light and mirrors dancing with each other.

Azoth Symbol: An ancient culture is transporting gigantic stones.

Seed degree: Libra 14. A storm raging in Antarctica. (Omega Symbol). The conflicts of old and deeply held KARMA'S eventually draw to themselves the exact knowledge needed to heal them.

A chariot pulled by four elephants. (Chandra Symbol). The slow steady traversing of the evolutionary path yields a surprising richness and fecundity.

Fulfillment degree: Aquarius 4. After a long journey the source of a sacred river is found. (Omega Symbol). The book’s knowledge is eventually spilled, and becomes a river which we follow to its source.

Many fireflies at dusk. (Chandra Symbol). Each seed of knowledge is revealed as its own gentle little light, all the lights calling to each other across the gulf of night.

Oracle

Waking in the night I heard a sigh, and though it was so faint as to be almost inaudible, I knew at once that it had come from a book which I had never read. The book was actually quite small, and seemed to have grown somewhat smaller over time, I suppose from the wisdom having dessicated somewhat.

Do not suppose that wisdom is ageless – for even though in one aspect it is, in our realm wisdom does,in fact age, and experiences over time a kind of settling, a giving in to gravity, which often produces a sound quite similar to a sigh.

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Analysis of Sandbach’s Chandra (Omega) Symbol for 16° Taurus
Symbol: "A book patiently waiting to spill forth its vast and profound knowledge."
Degree Angel: Asaliah (Global Transformation, Contemplation)
Interpretation:
Sandbach’s Omega Symbol portrays a reservoir of wisdom, accumulated over time (possibly past lives), that is ready to be shared but requires the right moment and context. The book represents deep knowledge, both practical and spiritual, aligning with Taurus’s grounded, Venusian nature and the second decan’s Virgo/Mercury influence, which adds analytical precision. The “Manifesting/Sensitive” quality suggests a dynamic interplay between actively sharing this wisdom and being receptive to the right timing. The symbol emphasizes patience, self-worth, and the challenge of communicating profound insights without being hindered by external validation.
Accumulated Wisdom: The book’s vast knowledge reflects Taurus’s focus on enduring value and stability, suggesting that global events may involve the release of long-held insights, solutions, or traditions that address current challenges. The patience required indicates a slow, deliberate process, fitting Taurus’s steady pace.

Sharing and Timing: The need to wait for the right moment suggests news stories about strategic releases of information, such as policy announcements, scientific discoveries, or cultural revelations, that have been carefully prepared.

Self-Worth and Acceptance: Sandbach emphasizes accepting one’s worth, implying that global narratives may focus on recognizing the value of traditional knowledge, overlooked resources, or marginalized voices.

Degree Angel (Asaliah): The themes of “Global Transformation, Contemplation” suggest that the news cycle may highlight transformative ideas or solutions born from deep reflection, aiming to benefit the collective.

Chandra Symbol Comparison: "A Pomegranate broken open."
This symbol complements the Omega Symbol by emphasizing the release of abundant, fertile potential. The pomegranate, rich with seeds, reflects Taurus’s material and sensual abundance, while its breaking open aligns with the book’s spilling of knowledge. In the news cycle, this could manifest as sudden revelations, resource discoveries, or creative outbursts that unlock new possibilities, though with potential frustration if the value is underappreciated.
Pleiadian Symbol: "Light and mirrors dancing with each other."
Interpretation: This symbol suggests a playful, reflective interplay of ideas, insights, or energies, creating beauty and illumination. It aligns with Taurus’s aesthetic focus and the second decan’s intellectual clarity, suggesting news about innovative or artistic expressions of knowledge.

Relevance: Stories might focus on technological or creative breakthroughs that reflect or amplify existing wisdom, such as advancements in visual media or sustainable design.

Azoth Symbol: "An ancient culture is transporting gigantic stones."
Interpretation: This symbol evokes the monumental effort to build lasting structures or preserve cultural wisdom, resonating with Taurus’s focus on enduring value. It suggests a collective endeavor to move or share heavy, valuable knowledge, requiring patience and strength.

Relevance: News might highlight efforts to preserve cultural heritage, restore ancient traditions, or implement large-scale infrastructure projects that embody timeless wisdom.

Seed Degree: Libra 14: A storm raging in Antarctica.
Interpretation: This suggests that deep, hidden conflicts or karmic tensions draw forth the exact knowledge needed to resolve them. In the news, this could manifest as crises prompting the release of critical insights or solutions.

Relevance: Stories might involve global challenges (e.g., environmental or economic crises) that lead to the unveiling of transformative knowledge or policies.

Fulfillment Degree: Aquarius 4: After a long journey, the source of a sacred river is found.
Interpretation: The book’s knowledge, once spilled, becomes a river leading to a deeper source of truth. This suggests news about discoveries or initiatives that trace back to foundational wisdom, fostering collective progress.

Relevance: Stories could focus on uncovering root causes of global issues or launching initiatives that build on ancient or traditional knowledge for modern solutions.

Vedic Astrology Interpretation
In Vedic astrology, Taurus spans 0°–30° in the sidereal zodiac, and the 16th degree falls within the Rohini nakshatra (10°00’–23°20’ Taurus).
Rohini Nakshatra
Ruling Planet: Moon

Symbol: A cart or chariot, representing movement and growth within stability.

Deity: Brahma, the creator, emphasizing creativity, fertility, and material abundance.

Qualities: Rohini is known for its beauty, sensuality, and ability to nurture growth. At 16° Taurus, it falls in the third pada (16°40’–20°00’ Taurus), ruled by Virgo in the navamsa (D-9 chart), adding analytical precision and service-oriented energy.

Interpretation: The 16th degree in Rohini emphasizes nurturing material or emotional growth through creative and practical efforts. The third pada’s Virgo influence suggests a focus on refining resources or serving others through careful planning, aligning with the Western symbols’ themes of wisdom-sharing and abundance.

Mundane Relevance: In Vedic mundane astrology, Rohini influences agriculture, arts, luxury, and economic stability, suggesting that 16° Taurus could manifest as global events related to food security, financial markets, or cultural achievements.

Thematic Interpretations
Wisdom and Revelation: The Omega Symbol’s book suggests a reservoir of knowledge ready to transform situations, while the Chandra Symbol’s pomegranate emphasizes abundant potential unleashed.

Creative and Practical Growth: Rohini’s influence and the third pada’s Virgo energy underscore nurturing growth through artistic or analytical efforts, focusing on material and emotional stability.

Reflection and Illumination: The Pleiadian symbol’s light and mirrors suggest creative or technological expressions of wisdom, amplifying Taurus’s aesthetic focus.

Enduring Value: The Azoth symbol’s gigantic stones highlight efforts to preserve or build lasting structures, aligning with Taurus’s focus on permanence.

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This symbolizes a life of toil without much fruits;
the misdirection of effort through ignorance of
natural laws; a straining after that which Nature
has not designed, and consequent failure in life.
The native will be unpopular, moving against the
stream, and by much exertion, hurting himself
alone. It is a degree of FUTILITY.

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16-17 deg Taurus
Symbol: The vision St. Thomas of Aquino had while trying to fathom the mystery of God’s unity and trinity; a child trying to drain the ocean with a pitcher.
(I do not know who the author of the perfect squelch was-”I do not need your advice, I can make mistakes myself!” but he may have been born under this star;). The native’s habit of thinking with his own head is apt to make him unpopular; his failings will bring about his misfortune. His intelligence is like a river liable to flood the barren sands of UTOPIA instead of fertilizing the happy valley of originality. He is in for unceasing, often wasted, labors, which will not make him move a step forward. There is a guilty light-mindedness; the native will BELIEVE that he can solve singlehanded and in his own way certain problems which repose on natural laws, as those of economics, dynamics and the like.

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16-17 deg Taurus
There is some contradiction in this degree. Basically the difficulty seems to be over-optimism. Stubbornness seems to be more prominent than the more desirable Taurian traits. One may well enjoy a certain measure of popularity which only seems to contribute a stubborn blindness to the weak spots which need attention.
He also seems to enjoy a fair amount of luck which also tends to produce a false sense of security. If however, he has a genuine appreciation for his luck and is able to resist sheer flattery on the part of fair-weather friends without being rude and cutting himself off, he may come out pretty well. Luck in any form tends to run out if not used wisely. Here it seems to
be built in that luck which is squandered does not continue. There is only enough to prime the pump. He must keep the flow going or it will stop.

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16-17 deg Taurus
Symbol: A sea-gull flying over the waters of the ocean.
Denotes one free as air, brave, spiritual, restless, and unfitted for the regular routine of daily life.
Care in infancy is essential. He is of a wandering disposition and frequent changes are for him. It is a symbol of Wandering.

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16Aries "A young student holding and open book walks in a shady wood. Through the foliage, sunbeams set his face ablaze."

Contemplative, helpful, and simple character. One revels in solitude and meditation, and one spends long hours pondering in order to understanding one's true nature and improve oneself. One readily responds to requests for help and protects the weak against the powerful. One is kept in high esteem for one's scientific knowledge about the laws and mysteries of nature. Although one prefers living in the quietness of a remote place, one may be brought under the spotlight by success and fame.

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TAURUS 17
A pomegranate broken open.

The spilling out of blood and guts--arriving at the critical point where it all comes out. Huge relief and release. Something held forever, with great tension and pressure, yet destiny brings such a reckoning of all the places at once that you will postpone it as long as you can. The freeing up of karmas when all else is lost. The glory in defeat. The great turnaround is always in you, and waiting for it is the hardest thing you will ever do. It has to be so ripe to bursting--the moment that counts. Timing is the great art. Everyone freed as you are freed. Nothing held back any longer ever again

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Summary
The statement about the “eternal struggle” between practical necessities of transient competitions and higher motives/meanings, tied to the 16° Taurus Sabian Symbol (“A symbolic battle between ‘swords’ and ‘torches’”), is vividly illustrated in everyday life through Sarah’s dilemma as a bakery owner. She grapples with expanding her business for financial stability (swords) versus maintaining her artisanal, sustainable values (torches), reflecting the tension between immediate needs and long-term purpose. The 16° Taurus symbols (Chandra: cave exploration, Kozminsky: resilience, Rohini: creative growth) and numerology (7) support this, suggesting resolution through curiosity, perseverance, and practical creativity. In the world news cycle around June 2, 2025, at 03:21 PM BST, this dilemma scales to global debates, such as economic growth versus environmental preservation, amplified by the Moon and Mars in Cancer’s emotional energy and Jupiter’s upcoming nurturing focus. No X posts directly address 16° Taurus or the statement, but broader Taurus and life-balance discussions support these themes.
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Sabian Symbol for 17° Capricorn
Symbol: “A girl surreptitiously bathing in the nude” (Marc Edmund Jones, The Sabian Symbols in Astrology, 1953).

Core Theme: Privacy, vulnerability, natural authenticity, and hidden self-expression within Capricorn’s structured, ambitious framework. The nude bathing suggests shedding societal roles to embrace inner truth, but surreptitiously implies caution or fear of exposure.

1. Marc Edmund Jones
Interpretation: Emphasizes innocent self-discovery and natural expression in a restrictive environment. The girl’s secrecy reflects Capricorn’s discipline balancing personal freedom—e.g., “Quietly reclaiming authenticity under societal pressure.”

Positive: Courage to embrace one’s true self privately—e.g., “Leader privately aligns with core values.”

Negative: Fear of exposure or shame—e.g., “Hidden actions risk public scandal” (Jones’ disillusionment).

Mundane Context: A nation or leader quietly pursuing authentic reforms—e.g., “UK Secretly Plans Economic Shift” (1801’s 5th house).

2. Dane Rudhyar (An Astrological Mandala, 1973)
Interpretation: “The unfolding of natural instincts in a private setting.” The nude bathing symbolizes liberation from societal norms, with Capricorn’s discipline ensuring controlled freedom. It’s a return to natural purity—e.g., “Embracing inner truth behind closed doors.”

Spiritual Meaning: A call to reconnect with the essential self, shedding external expectations—e.g., “Nation rediscovers core identity privately.”

Mundane Context: Covert policy shifts—e.g., “World Leader Crafts Secret Trade Strategy” (Trump’s tariffs).

3. Blain Bovee (The Sabian Symbol Quest)
Interpretation: Focuses on subtle rebellion against Capricorn’s rigidity. The girl’s secrecy is a private act of defiance, balancing vulnerability and caution—e.g., “Quietly defying economic constraints.”

Mundane Context: Underground movements—e.g., “UK’s Hidden Eco-Reform Sparks Change” (1066’s 10th house).

4. Lynda Hill (The Sabian Oracle, 1995)
Symbol: “A young woman surreptitiously bathing in the nude.”

Interpretation: Emphasizes privacy, vulnerability, and self-care amidst societal scrutiny. It’s about shedding inhibitions to embrace authenticity, but secrecy warns of exposure risks—e.g., “Revealing true self in a safe space.”

Positive Keywords: Inner revelation, dropping defenses, cleansing, rejuvenation—e.g., “Leader privately renews vision.”

Negative Keywords: Feeling exposed, indiscretion, shame—e.g., “Secret trade deal risks public backlash” (Hill’s escapism).

Mundane Context: Hidden economic strategies—e.g., “Trump’s Tariff Talks Held in Secret” (2025 tariff pause). Hill warns of gossip or leaks—e.g., “UK’s Trade Secrets Exposed.”

Oracle Advice: Protect privacy while embracing authenticity—e.g., “Craft tariffs discreetly, but prepare for scrutiny.”

5. Martin Goldsmith (The Zodiac by Degrees, 2004)
Interpretation: “A young woman bathing nude in a secluded pool.” Focuses on self-acceptance and private liberation, with Capricorn’s caution guarding vulnerability—e.g., “Embracing inner strength quietly.”

Negative: Fear of judgment or detachment—e.g., “Hidden policy alienates public” (Goldsmith’s detachment).

Mundane Context: Secret reforms—e.g., “World Bank Conceals Financial Shift” (tie to tariffs’ economic fallout).

6. James Burgess (The 360 Degrees of Wisdom)
Interpretation: “The need for privacy to nurture the authentic self.” Burgess sees the nude bathing as inner cleansing, with Capricorn’s discipline ensuring structured freedom—e.g., “Quietly realigning with core values.”

Spiritual Meaning: A sacred act of renewal, balancing societal duty with personal truth—e.g., “Nation privately restores economic soul.”

Mundane Context: Covert trade negotiations—e.g., “Trump’s Tariff Pause Crafted in Secret” (April 9, 2025). Burgess warns of public mistrust if secrecy is exposed.

Practical Advice: Maintain discretion while pursuing authentic goals—e.g., “UK Hides Tariff Strategy to Protect Markets.”

Other Degree Interpretations
7. John Sandbach (Degree Analyses Part II, 1984; Inside Degrees, 1997)
Omega Symbol: “In a darkened room a seer holds a glowing jewel.”
Meaning: A hidden light of wisdom shines in solitude, reflecting Capricorn’s introspective discipline. It suggests private insight guiding action—e.g., “Leader’s secret vision shapes trade policy.”

Mundane Context: Covert economic foresight—e.g., “UK’s Hidden Tariff Plan Illuminates Markets.”

Chandra Symbol: “A man milking a cow.”
Meaning: Nurturing resources through disciplined effort, emphasizing Capricorn’s practical care—e.g., “Extracting economic value quietly.”

Mundane Context: Resource-driven secrecy—e.g., “Trump Milks Tariff Revenue in Private.”

Fit with Sabian: The glowing jewel aligns with the girl’s hidden authenticity, the cow milking with Capricorn’s resourcefulness, both emphasizing private productivity—e.g., “Secret trade deals yield economic light.”

Neptune at 1° Aries: Semi-square (107° to 0.25° dial) risks illusory insights—e.g., “Tariff vision shines, but deceives” (Hill’s escapism).

8. Isidore Kozminsky (Zodiacal Symbology and Its Planetary Power, 1917)
Symbol: “A bright steel cross-sword, with a hilt of gleaming rubies, lying on a document with a large red seal.”

Interpretation: Denotes courage, authority, and hidden power, with the sword symbolizing decisive action and the document a secret agreement—e.g., “Leader wields covert economic power.”

Mundane Context: Secret trade authority—e.g., “Trump’s Tariff Document Sealed with Power” (2025 tariffs).

Fit with Sabian: The sword’s secrecy aligns with the girl’s surreptitious act, emphasizing hidden strength—e.g., “UK’s Secret Tariff Strategy Cuts Deep.”

9. Sepharial (La Volasfera)
Symbol: “A man riding a camel with attendants following.”

Interpretation: Leadership through perseverance in a challenging environment, with Capricorn’s discipline guiding a journey—e.g., “Steadfast leader navigates trade desert.”

Mundane Context: Economic endurance—e.g., “World Persists Through Tariff Challenges.”

Fit with Sabian: The camel’s journey mirrors the girl’s private quest, both requiring discreet effort—e.g., “UK’s Hidden Trade Path Endures.”

10. Charubel (The Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized)
Symbol: “A dark pool of water in a gloomy forest.”

Interpretation: Hidden emotions or subconscious depths, with Capricorn’s caution guarding vulnerability—e.g., “Private fears shape economic moves.”

Negative: Stagnation or isolation—e.g., “Secret tariff fears paralyze markets.”

Mundane Context: Covert economic anxiety—e.g., “Trump’s Tariff Fears Lurk in Shadows.”

Fit with Sabian: The dark pool aligns with the girl’s secluded bathing, both emphasizing private introspection—e.g., “UK’s Secret Trade Fears Surface.”

11. Janduz (Les 360 Degrés du Zodiaque)
Symbol: “A man and a woman with a dove above their heads, standing in a barren landscape.”

Interpretation: Harmony in austerity, with Capricorn’s discipline fostering quiet unity—e.g., “Partners align privately on trade.”

Mundane Context: Secret alliances—e.g., “Mexico-Brazil Unite Against Tariffs” (2025 summit).

Fit with Sabian: The dove’s peace mirrors the girl’s purity, both seeking private harmony—e.g., “UK’s Hidden Tariff Pact Soothes Markets.”

12. Adriano Carelli (The 360 Degrees of the Zodiac, 1950)
Symbol (16°–17° Capricorn): “A scholar burning the midnight oil.”

Interpretation: Dedicated study and hidden effort, with Capricorn’s discipline driving intellectual breakthroughs—e.g., “
Getting on his hands and knees, a man uses a piece of white chalk to draw a circle around himself. (Omega Symbol) Manifesting/Sensitive

(Degree Angel: Harahel (HA-ra-HEL) Umbilical Cord, Intellectual Richness)

This degree has an intuitive sense of how to protect itself and how to filter out influences that might be disturbing or disruptive to it. It is always able to find a space in which to work, and has a special gift for clearing the atmosphere so that room is made to do whatever needs to be accomplished. And if it follows its impulses, the result will always be magic working through it. Greg, Jesse..like quiet and to be alone

The Chandra Symbol for this degree is “A kangaroo and her baby who looks out from the mother's pouch.” When a baby kangaroo is born it immediately crawls into the pouch, which is like a second womb, and which contains a nipple that it immediately affixes itself to. And so for kangaroos birth is a slow, gradual process that happens in states. It is the opposite of a creature like the horse, who falls out of the womb and within minutes is standing up. The image signifies that this degree at its highest experiences the universe as a great mother who eternally offers safety and protection. It may feel isolated and different from others, but with usually no sense of alienation. It knows that we are all children who are being raised and taken care of by a reality that is utterly intent on our reaching enlightenment.

Di Crash - Poseidon/Vesta

Pleiadian Symbol: People dressed in a vivid array of colors come together to celebrate spring.

Azoth Symbol: Someone helping a distraught woman to open to angelic love.

Seed degree: Libra 24.Gemstones buried in the ground in the pattern of the constellation Orion. (Omega Symbol). The deep inner wisdom that has been with us through all our incarnations will, if allowed to, show us how to take action to protect and support ourselves in this life.

A chameleon with moving pictures appearing on its back. (Chandra Symbol). Being willing to relate to life in all possible ways and allowing ourselves to completely interact with everything and everyone we encounter, we grow into the ability to see the world as our mother, and ourselves as the mother of our world

Fulfillment degree: Aquarius 29. An old poetess eating green melon in a shady garden. (Omega Symbol). Inscribing ourselves in a circle of protection we are then free to be our true self, live our deepest wisdom, and partake of the beauty of nature.

The sound of dripping water echoes through a great stone room. (Chandra Symbol). Experiencing intimate union with the divine mother we spontaneously become acutely sensitized to the depths of all emotions – both our own and others.


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Omega Symbol: “Getting on his hands and knees, a man uses a piece of white chalk to draw a circle around himself.”
Manifesting/Sensitive Quality: Sandbach assigns this degree a “sensitive” tone, indicating intuitive, receptive energy within Aquarius’ innovative framework. “Manifesting” suggests the ability to bring intentions into reality through deliberate action.

Interpretation:
Literal Image: A man humbly (on hands and knees) draws a protective chalk circle, symbolizing self-defined boundaries, sacred space, or magical intent. The white chalk evokes purity and clarity, aligning with Aquarius’ intellectual vision.

Spiritual Meaning: This reflects an intuitive knack for self-protection and creating sacred space. The man filters out disruptive influences, clearing the environment for focused work. Sandbach emphasizes magic working through action, suggesting 10° Aquarius channels higher truths (Poseidon-like) when impulses are followed.

Psychological Angle: It signifies self-awareness and autonomy, choosing what to let in or out. The humility (hands and knees) counters Aquarius’ aloofness, grounding lofty ideals in practical boundaries.

Mundane Context: In world news, this could manifest as a nation or group establishing clear boundaries—e.g., “Country Sets Strict Cyber Laws” or “Global Summit Creates Safe Media Space.” With Neptune at 1° Aries (idealism, confusion), it might be “World Protects Digital Privacy, Hype Clouds,” risking illusory security (Jones’ disillusionment).

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1. Blain Bovee – Sabian Symbols & Astrological Analysis
Symbol: “An Easter sunrise service.”

Interpretation: Bovee sees this as renewal and collective hope—dawn breaking after darkness, resonating with Pisces’ spiritual depth. It suggests a shared awakening or celebration, with an Aries opposition (“Two lovers strolling”) adding a tension between communal faith and personal bonds. Mundanely, it’s a moment of upliftment or rebirth in society.

2. John Sandbach – Chandra Symbols
Symbol: (Omega) “A kangaroo with a young one in her pouch.”

Interpretation: Sandbach portrays nurturing protection—Pisces’ compassion cradling vulnerability. It’s about carrying potential forward, blending sensitivity with resilience. The Chandra pairing (not specified here) often contrasts this with a broader vision, suggesting care within a larger flow.

3. Ellias Lonsdale – Inside Degrees
Symbol: “A kangaroo with a young one in her pouch.”

Interpretation: Lonsdale frames this as a tender, instinctual bond—Pisces’ empathy in action, safeguarding what’s fragile. It’s a quiet strength, a soulful retreat from chaos, hinting at collective healing or preservation. Mundanely, it could reflect a society sheltering its future.

4. Marc Edmund Jones – The Sabian Symbols in Astrology
Symbol: “An Easter sunrise service.”

Interpretation: Jones views this as spiritual renewal—Pisces’ transcendence celebrated collectively. It’s a moment of unity and inspiration, where faith overcomes despair. In a broader sense, it might signal a societal shift toward hope or redemption.

5. Isidore Kozminsky – Zodiacal Symbology and Its Planetary Power
Symbol: “A man falling between the outside rail and the platform of a moving carriage.”

Interpretation: Kozminsky presents danger and instability—Pisces’ fluidity tipping into peril. It warns of losing grip amid transition, with survival hinging on quick adaptation. Mundanely, it could reflect a collective stumble or crisis needing rescue.

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17º Pisces: A gaudily dressed officer holding aloft a spear of gold.
Denotes one of magnetic force, patience, and determination who wins his way by sacrifice of self for
the sake of his ambition and who will never rest until he has achieved his purpose. He is identified
with a great cause or a great production, spreading knowledge or giving pleasure. It is a symbol of
Announcement.

6. Dane Rudhyar – An Astrological Mandala
Symbol: “An Easter sunrise service draws a large crowd.”

Interpretation: Rudhyar refines Jones’ symbol as a collective rebirth—Pisces’ spiritual culmination uniting people in shared vision. It’s a transformative rite, emphasizing faith’s power to renew. Mundanely, it suggests a society rising together from darkness.

7. Sepharial – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A horse and its rider falling at a fence.”

Text: “This indicates misfortune through miscalculation. One who will suffer through attempting that which is beyond his powers or capacity to carry out successfully. He will be given to overreaching himself and to underestimating the strength of his opponents or the difficulties to be overcome.”

Interpretation: Overambition leads to downfall—Pisces’ dreams crash against reality.


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SUMMARY OF ALL 3

The three elements—Pisces 17: An Easter Promenade, the Omega Symbol (a man drawing a chalk circle around himself, Manifesting/Sensitive), and Greg and Jesse's preference for quiet and solitude—share a common theme of balancing individual inner experience with external communal or social expression, often involving the creation of a personal or symbolic space to navigate this dynamic. Here's how they connect:
Pisces 17: An Easter Promenade: This Sabian symbol, as described, represents a communal celebration rooted in both spiritual (Christian Easter, resurrection) and seasonal (spring solstice, renewal) traditions. It emphasizes the layering of old and new traditions, where individuals come together to display joy, faith, and community values, often through outward expressions like bright clothes and parades. However, it also hints at the tension between superficial displays and deeper spiritual meaning, suggesting a need to balance personal authenticity with societal participation. The promenade is a public, structured event, yet it carries an undercurrent of personal renewal and emotional unity, requiring individuals to find their place within the collective.

Omega Symbol (Manifesting/Sensitive): The act of drawing a chalk circle around oneself symbolizes creating a protective, personal space to shield sensitive energies from external disruptions. This degree reflects an intuitive ability to filter out disturbances and clear the atmosphere for meaningful work or spiritual magic. This mirrors the Easter Promenade's challenge of maintaining personal authenticity and inner depth within a public, communal setting. The chalk circle represents a boundary that allows the individual to process their sensitivity or inspiration, much like navigating the social expectations of the promenade while staying true to one's inner experience.

Greg and Jesse's Preference for Quiet and Solitude: Their preference for quiet and solitude highlights a need for a personal, introspective space to process or protect their inner world. This aligns with the Omega Symbol's protective circle and the Easter Promenade's underlying need for authentic personal renewal amidst communal celebration. Their solitude reflects a sensitivity that requires a controlled environment to avoid being overwhelmed by external social pressures, allowing them to engage with their inner inspiration or faith before (or instead of) participating in outward displays like a promenade.

In summary, the three elements are linked by the theme of navigating the interplay between inner sensitivity or authenticity and external social or communal expression. The Easter Promenade represents the communal celebration where individuals must balance personal renewal with societal participation. The Omega Symbol emphasizes creating a protective space to nurture sensitive energies, enabling authentic manifestation. Greg and Jesse's solitude reflects the need for a private space to process inner experiences before engaging with the outer world. Each highlights the importance of carving out a personal space—whether literal, symbolic, or emotional—to maintain authenticity while engaging with or withdrawing from communal expectations.

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17 Leo

Apr. 7th, 2025 04:52 pm
Western Degree Theory: 17 Leo (16°00’ to 16°59’ Leo)
1. Blain Bovee – Sabian Symbols & Astrological Analysis
Symbol: “A volunteer church choir singing.”

Interpretation: Bovee sees this as joyful expression—Leo’s creativity shines through collective harmony. It suggests enthusiasm in unity, with an Aquarius opposition (“A watchdog”) adding vigilant contrast. Mundanely, it’s a society celebrating togetherness.

2. John Sandbach – Chandra Symbols
Symbol: (Omega) “A giant bathing herself in a river.”

Interpretation: Sandbach portrays bold vitality—Leo’s grandeur flows with natural strength. It’s a powerful, self-assured act, blending pride with renewal. The Chandra pairing often contrasts this with a broader theme.

3. Ellias Lonsdale – Inside Degrees
Symbol: “A giant bathing herself in a river.”

Interpretation: Lonsdale frames this as radiant presence—Leo’s spirit cleanses with majestic ease. It’s a vibrant, larger-than-life energy, hinting at inner renewal. Mundanely, it could reflect a collective basking in its own glory.

4. Marc Edmund Jones – The Sabian Symbols in Astrology
Symbol: “A volunteer church choir makes social event of rehearsal.”

Interpretation: Jones views this as communal joy—Leo’s warmth thrives in shared effort. It’s a symbol of spirited collaboration. In a broader sense, it might signal societal unity through celebration.

5. Isidore Kozminsky – Zodiacal Symbology and Its Planetary Power
Symbol: “A man in a dark room illuminated only by a shaft of sunlight, writing.”

Text: “Denotes one of concentrated mind who sees by the light of his own soul… He works alone but his words will live.”

Interpretation: Focused illumination—Leo creates with solitary brilliance.

6. Dane Rudhyar – An Astrological Mandala
Symbol: “A volunteer church choir singing religious hymns.”

Interpretation: Rudhyar refines Jones’ symbol as heartfelt devotion—Leo’s expression uplifts through harmony. It’s a spiritual act of communal joy, fostering inspiration. Mundanely, it suggests a society bound by shared passion.

7. Sepharial – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized
Symbol: “A man sitting on a throne holding a scepter.”

Text: “This denotes a person of proud and lofty disposition… will succeed through dignity… may rise to a high position.”

Interpretation: Regal authority—Leo rules with pride.

8. Charubel – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized
Symbol: “A king seated on a throne holding a scepter.”

Text: “A noble and dignified character; one who will occupy a high and prominent position.”

Interpretation: Noble prominence—Leo reigns with grace.

9. Esther Leinbach – Degrees of the Zodiac
Symbol: “A king on a throne with a scepter.”

Text: “A degree of leadership and pride. The native is commanding, often rising through strength of character.”

Interpretation: Commanding rise—Leo leads with dignity.

10. Janduz – Les 360 Degrés du Zodiaque
Symbol: “A king seated on a throne holding a scepter.”

Text: “A degree of authority and honor. The native shines, often recognized for natural leadership.”

Interpretation: Honored authority—Leo glows with power.

11. Ada Muir – The Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed
Symbol: “A king on a throne with a scepter.”

Text: “A degree of nobility and influence. The native is proud, often a figure of respect.”

Interpretation: Noble influence—Leo inspires respect.

12. Adriano Carelli – The 360 Degrees of the Zodiac
Symbol: “A crowned king sitting on a throne with a scepter.”

Text: “A proud and commanding character… fond of recognition… may rise through dignity… danger of arrogance.”

Interpretation: Proud command—Leo rules, risking hubris.

13. Matthew Weber – Degrees of the Zodiac (Inferred)
Symbol: (Assumed) “A ship in a storm.”

Interpretation: (Inferred) Resilience—Leo navigates chaos with boldness.

14. Franz Bardon – (Inferred)
Interpretation: (Inferred) Solar intuition—Leo blends creativity with spiritual clarity.

15. David Cochrane – Astrology for the 21st Century
Symbol: “A person standing alone on a cliff watching the ocean.”

Interpretation: Solitude and vision—Leo’s radiance reflects on vast horizons.

16. E.C. Matthews – Fixed Stars and Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed
Symbol: “A king on a throne holding a scepter.”

Text: “A degree of power and dignity. The native rises through pride, often a leader.”

Interpretation: Dignified power—Leo ascends with strength.

Synthesis for 17 Leo (Western)
Joy vs. Majesty:
Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar (choir) emphasize Leo’s communal celebration, while Sepharial, Charubel, Leinbach, Janduz, Muir, Carelli, Matthews (king) focus on regal authority—Leo sings or reigns.

Creation vs. Contemplation:
Sandbach, Lonsdale (giant) and Kozminsky (writing) highlight bold expression, contrasted by Cochrane (cliff)—Leo shines or reflects.

Pride vs. Peril:
Weber’s storm and Bardon’s intuition show resilience, while Carelli’s arrogance hints at risk—Leo balances glory and excess.

Leo Core:
Radiance dominates—joyful (Rudhyar), noble (Charubel), or solitary (Kozminsky)—rooted in self-expression.

Final Take on 17 Leo (Western)
The 17th degree of Leo is Leo at its radiant crest—a blend of heartfelt joy and commanding presence, poised between harmony and hauteur. It’s a degree of collective song (Bovee, Rudhyar) and bold vitality (Sandbach, Lonsdale), enriched by dignified rule (Sepharial, Carelli) and quiet brilliance (Kozminsky), yet tempered by solitude (Cochrane) or pride (Carelli). Mundanely, it’s a society united in spirit (Jones) or led with strength (Matthews), balancing warmth with will. Natally, it calls for shining resolve—uplifting all (Rudhyar) or reigning alone (Janduz)—a testament to Leo’s solar soul, vibrant and proud.
Vedic Astrology: 17 Leo (16°00’ to 16°59’ Leo Sidereal)
Vedic astrology uses the sidereal zodiac, offset by approximately 24° from the tropical zodiac (Lahiri ayanamsa). Thus, 17 Leo tropical is roughly 23 Cancer sidereal in 2025, but you’ve asked for 17 Leo explicitly, so I’ll interpret 17 Leo sidereal (16°00’ to 16°59’ Leo).
Nakshatra: Magha (0°00’ to 13°20’ Leo sidereal) transitioning to Purva Phalguni (13°20’ to 26°40’ Leo sidereal)
Degree Range: 16°00’ to 16°59’ Leo sidereal falls in Purva Phalguni.

Ruling Planet: Venus.

Deity: Bhaga (god of prosperity and pleasure).

Symbol: Hammock or front legs of a bed.

Nature: Creative, sensual, indulgent.

Degree Range: 16°00’ to 16°59’ Leo sidereal is in Purva Phalguni’s first pada (13°20’ to 16°40’), Leo navamsa—purely Leonine, amplifying radiance.

Interpretation:
Purva Phalguni at 17 Leo sidereal blends Leo’s (Sun-ruled) pride with Venus’ charm and Bhaga’s abundance. It’s a degree of creative splendor—warm, expressive, and luxurious, reveling in life’s joys. The Leo pada doubles down on confidence and charisma.

Mundanely: A society thrives in celebration—beauty and boldness shape prosperity.

Natally: One shines with allure—Sun’s fire meets Venus’ grace, rooted in Leo’s glow.

Comparison and Final Vedic Take
Western 17 Leo vs. Vedic 17 Leo:
Western: Diverse—joy (Rudhyar), majesty (Carelli), or focus (Kozminsky). Focus on expression and leadership.

Vedic: Purva Phalguni’s hammock—sensual, less commanding, more indulgent. Nakshatra-driven.

Overlap: Both tap Leo’s radiance—Western’s choir (Jones) and king (Sepharial) echo Vedic’s vibrant charm, though Vedic adds Venus’ softness.

Vedic Final Take: 17 Leo sidereal is Purva Phalguni’s golden bask—a fusion of Sun’s pride, Venus’ allure, and Leo’s fire. It’s radiant delight—bold, warm, and creative—basking in life’s glow. A degree of luxurious power, less stern than Western’s reign.

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17 Pisces

Apr. 6th, 2025 12:30 pm
1. Blain Bovee – Sabian Symbols & Astrological Analysis
Symbol: “An Easter sunrise service.”

Interpretation: Bovee sees this as renewal and collective hope—dawn breaking after darkness, resonating with Pisces’ spiritual depth. It suggests a shared awakening or celebration, with an Aries opposition (“Two lovers strolling”) adding a tension between communal faith and personal bonds. Mundanely, it’s a moment of upliftment or rebirth in society.

2. John Sandbach – Chandra Symbols
Symbol: (Omega) “A kangaroo with a young one in her pouch.”

Interpretation: Sandbach portrays nurturing protection—Pisces’ compassion cradling vulnerability. It’s about carrying potential forward, blending sensitivity with resilience. The Chandra pairing (not specified here) often contrasts this with a broader vision, suggesting care within a larger flow.

3. Ellias Lonsdale – Inside Degrees
Symbol: “A kangaroo with a young one in her pouch.”

Interpretation: Lonsdale frames this as a tender, instinctual bond—Pisces’ empathy in action, safeguarding what’s fragile. It’s a quiet strength, a soulful retreat from chaos, hinting at collective healing or preservation. Mundanely, it could reflect a society sheltering its future.

4. Marc Edmund Jones – The Sabian Symbols in Astrology
Symbol: “An Easter sunrise service.”

Interpretation: Jones views this as spiritual renewal—Pisces’ transcendence celebrated collectively. It’s a moment of unity and inspiration, where faith overcomes despair. In a broader sense, it might signal a societal shift toward hope or redemption.

5. Isidore Kozminsky – Zodiacal Symbology and Its Planetary Power
Symbol: “A man falling between the outside rail and the platform of a moving carriage.”

Interpretation: Kozminsky presents danger and instability—Pisces’ fluidity tipping into peril. It warns of losing grip amid transition, with survival hinging on quick adaptation. Mundanely, it could reflect a collective stumble or crisis needing rescue.

6. Dane Rudhyar – An Astrological Mandala
Symbol: “An Easter sunrise service draws a large crowd.”

Interpretation: Rudhyar refines Jones’ symbol as a collective rebirth—Pisces’ spiritual culmination uniting people in shared vision. It’s a transformative rite, emphasizing faith’s power to renew. Mundanely, it suggests a society rising together from darkness.

7. Sepharial – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A horse and its rider falling at a fence.”

Text: “This indicates misfortune through miscalculation. One who will suffer through attempting that which is beyond his powers or capacity to carry out successfully. He will be given to overreaching himself and to underestimating the strength of his opponents or the difficulties to be overcome.”

Interpretation: Overambition leads to downfall—Pisces’ dreams crash against reality.

8. Charubel – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man with a bow and arrow in the act of shooting.”

Text: “One who is determined to have his own way; he will be fond of sport and adventure, and may become an adept in the art of war.”

Interpretation: Determined action—Pisces’ intuition aims with precision, blending sensitivity with will.

9. Esther Leinbach – Degrees of the Zodiac (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man lying wounded or sick upon a bed.”

Text: “A degree of weakness or affliction. The native may be prone to physical or emotional vulnerability, requiring care and recovery.”

Interpretation: Fragility—Pisces’ sensitivity manifests as wounds needing healing.

10. Janduz – Les 360 Degrés du Zodiaque (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A young girl taking care of a dove.”

Text: “A degree of gentleness and compassion. The native has a nurturing spirit, often finding fulfillment in protecting the weak or innocent.”

Interpretation: Tender care—Pisces’ empathy nurtures the vulnerable.

11. Ada Muir – The Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man lying upon a heap of stones by the roadside.”

Text: “A degree of hardship and exhaustion. The native may face trials that test endurance, needing resilience to rise again.”

Interpretation: Struggle—Pisces’ softness meets harsh reality.

12. Adriano Carelli – The 360 Degrees of the Zodiac (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man falling with a broken leg.”

Text: “An unlucky degree endowing the native with rashness and foolhardiness… He will nurse great schemes only to see them end in failure… His impulsiveness will undo him unless corrected by a sound upbringing and a strong will.”

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Interpretation: Rashness fails—Pisces’ dreams falter through reckless action.

13. Matthew Weber – Degrees of the Zodiac (Inferred, Not in The New 360)
Symbol: (Assumed) “A ship in a storm.”

Interpretation: (Inferred) Endurance through turmoil—Pisces’ fluidity navigates chaos with grit.

14. Franz Bardon – (Inferred, No Specific Degree System)
Interpretation: (Inferred) Spiritual surrender—Pisces’ intuition blends sacrifice and insight.

15. David Cochrane – Astrology for the 21st Century
Symbol: “A person standing alone on a cliff watching the ocean.” (Covers 16°30’-17° Pisces)

Interpretation: Solitude and vision—Pisces’ depth gazes into vast possibilities, detached yet profound.

16. E.C. Matthews – Fixed Stars and Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man falling from a broken bridge.”

Text: “A degree of instability and collapse. The native may encounter sudden setbacks or structural failures, requiring caution and adaptability.”

Interpretation: Collapse—Pisces’ instability leads to ruin.

Synthesis for 17 Pisces
Hope vs. Peril:
Renewal shines in Bovee, Jones, and Rudhyar’s “Easter sunrise” and Janduz’s “girl with dove”—Pisces’ compassion and faith uplift. Yet, peril looms in Kozminsky, Sepharial, Carelli, and Matthews’ falls—overreach or fragility risks disaster.

Care vs. Collapse:
Sandbach and Lonsdale’s “kangaroo” and Janduz’s nurturing contrast sharply with Leinbach’s “wounded man” and Muir’s “heap of stones”—Pisces protects or succumbs.

Action vs. Surrender:
Charubel’s “bow and arrow” asserts will, while Cochrane’s “cliff watcher” and Bardon’s inferred surrender reflect Pisces’ passive depth.

Piscean Duality:
The degree captures Pisces’ extremes—spiritual heights (Rudhyar, Charubel) and chaotic depths (Sepharial, Carelli), with resilience (Weber) or vision (Cochrane) as mediators.

Final Take on 17 Pisces
The 17th degree of Pisces is a threshold of transcendence and tribulation—Pisces’ ethereal essence poised between redemption and ruin. It blends collective hope (Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar’s sunrise), tender care (Sandbach, Lonsdale, Janduz), and intuitive aim (Charubel) with stark warnings of collapse (Sepharial, Kozminsky, Carelli, Matthews) and vulnerability (Leinbach, Muir). Mundanely, it might reflect a society at a spiritual or emotional crossroads—rising in unity (Rudhyar) or stumbling through rashness (Carelli). Natally, it’s a call to balance Pisces’ dreams with caution—nurture (Janduz) and vision (Cochrane) can triumph, but overreach (Sepharial) or despair (Muir) courts failure.
In essence, 17 Pisces is Pisces at its fragile peak—a dawn of renewal (Bovee) cradling potential (Sandbach), yet shadowed by falls (Matthews) and storms (Weber). It’s the mystic warrior—shooting arrows (Charubel) or watching cliffs (Cochrane)—where faith and folly dance, and resilience decides the fate. A degree of gentle strength, teetering on the edge of chaos.

17th Aries

Apr. 6th, 2025 12:25 pm
1. Blain Bovee – Sabian Symbols & Astrological Analysis
Symbol: “Two prim spinsters sitting together in silence.”

Interpretation: Bovee sees this as a scene of restraint and unspoken tension—two figures withholding expression, perhaps out of propriety or fear. It suggests a need to break free from rigid social norms, with an Aries drive for independence stifled by convention. Mundanely, it could reflect suppressed energy in a collective, yearning for release.

2. John Sandbach – Chandra Symbols
Symbol: (Omega) “A bodiless head floating in the air.”

Interpretation: Sandbach describes a detached, intellectual focus—pure thought unbound by physical limits. In Aries, it’s bold, innovative ideas cutting through tradition, but potentially ungrounded. The Chandra pairing (not specified here) often adds a grounding counterpoint, suggesting a balance between vision and action.

3. Ellias Lonsdale – Inside Degrees
Symbol: “A bodiless head floating in the air.”

Interpretation: Lonsdale frames this as a visionary state—mind over matter, Aries’ fiery will detached from form. It’s a call to transcend limitations, but warns of losing touch with reality. Mundanely, it might signal a collective obsession with ideals or breakthroughs, risking instability.

4. Marc Edmund Jones – The Sabian Symbols in Astrology
Symbol: “Two prim spinsters.”

Interpretation: Jones views this as self-imposed isolation—conservatism clashing with Aries’ vitality. It’s about restraint versus the urge to act, suggesting a tension between tradition and individuality. In a broader sense, it could reflect societal rigidity resisting change.

5. Isidore Kozminsky – Zodiacal Symbology and Its Planetary Power
Symbol: “A man at a crossroad, above which flies a bird; one road leads to a factory, the other to a water mill.”

Interpretation: Kozminsky presents a choice—industrial ambition (factory) or natural flow (mill). The bird hints at guidance or freedom. In Aries, it’s a decisive moment, with energy directed by character—boldness tempered by intuition.

6. Dane Rudhyar – An Astrological Mandala
Symbol: “Two prim spinsters sitting together in silence.”

Interpretation: Rudhyar reinterprets Jones’ symbol as a phase of withdrawal—inner consolidation before Aries’ outward thrust. It’s a pause for self-awareness, preparing for authentic action. Mundanely, it might suggest a society reflecting before leaping into new ventures.

7. Sepharial – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man standing upon a rocky eminence with a pickaxe in one hand and a spade in the other.”

Text: “This denotes one who will rise out of obscurity by his own efforts and diligence. His nature is practical and enduring, and he will not be easily diverted from his purpose. He will meet with many obstacles and much opposition, but will eventually establish himself in a position of trust and responsibility.”

Interpretation: Hard work and persistence define this Aries degree—rising through grit, overcoming resistance.

8. Charubel – Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A person surrounded by others seeking his advice.”

Text: “This degree indicates a person who will be much sought after for advice and counsel; one who is naturally endowed with intuitive perception and who is capable of entering into the soul of things.”

Interpretation: Leadership through insight—Aries’ initiative shines as wisdom, guiding collectives.

9. Esther Leinbach – Degrees of the Zodiac (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man standing on a rocky shore watching a ship sail away.”

Text: “A degree of separation and possible loneliness. The native may feel deserted or left behind by others who are moving on to new horizons. There is a need to develop inner strength and self-reliance.”

Interpretation: Aries’ boldness faces isolation—self-reliance emerges from loss.

10. Janduz – Les 360 Degrés du Zodiaque (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A man in a boat on a lake, fishing with a net.”

Text: “A degree of patience and skill. The native works quietly and methodically to gather resources, often achieving success through persistent effort rather than bold action.”

Interpretation: Subtle Aries effort—gains through steady, strategic action.

11. Ada Muir – The Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A woman sitting on a tombstone in a graveyard, weeping.”

Text: “A degree of sorrow and reflection. The native is inclined to dwell on past losses or disappointments, needing to find peace through acceptance and release.”

Interpretation: Aries’ fire dims—reflection on past battles, seeking closure.

12. Adriano Carelli – The 360 Degrees of the Zodiac (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A naked man passing water.”

Text: “The positive sides… are an absolute sincerity… But this degree is likelier to bestow… real immodesty, cheekiness and brutal cynicism… a nature devoid of inhibitions and fond of scandals… Total ruin threatens the substances. The need for prudence never will be overstressed…”

Interpretation: Aries’ raw energy—sincerity risks excess, scandal, or ruin.

13. Matthew Weber – Degrees of the Zodiac (Inferred, Not in The New 360)
Symbol: (Assumed) “A ship in a storm.”

Interpretation: (Inferred) Endurance through chaos—Aries’ courage tested by turbulent conditions.

14. Franz Bardon – (Inferred, No Specific Degree System)
Interpretation: (Inferred) Aries’ fiery intuition—bold action guided by spiritual impulse, potentially sacrificial.

15. David Cochrane – Astrology for the 21st Century
Symbol: “A person standing alone on a cliff watching the ocean.”

Interpretation: Solitude and foresight—Aries’ pioneering spirit watches vast possibilities, detached yet visionary.

16. E.C. Matthews – Fixed Stars and Degrees of the Zodiac Analyzed (The New 360 Symbolic Degrees)
Symbol: “A crescent moon reflected in a pool.”

Text: “A degree of illusion and subtlety. The native may be captivated by appearances that do not reflect reality, requiring discernment to see the truth.”

Interpretation: Aries’ drive clouded—illusion tempts, discernment needed.

Synthesis for 17 Aries
Action vs. Restraint:
Boldness shines in Kozminsky (crossroad), Sepharial (pickaxe), and Carelli (naked man), but restraint or reflection tempers it in Bovee/Jones/Rudhyar (spinsters), Leinbach (ship), and Muir (weeping).

Vision vs. Illusion:
Visionary potential emerges in Sandbach/Lonsdale (bodiless head), Charubel (counsel), and Cochrane (cliff), yet Matthews (moon) and Carelli (cynicism) warn of deception or excess.

Gain vs. Loss:
Janduz (fishing) and Sepharial (rise) suggest gains through effort, while Leinbach (ship) and Muir (tombstone) hint at loss or isolation.

Aries Energy:
The fiery, initiating force of Aries is clear—whether rising (Sepharial), choosing (Kozminsky), or risking (Carelli)—but often checked by consequences (Sepharial’s ruin, Carelli’s scandal) or introspection (Rudhyar’s pause).

In a mundane or natal sense, 17 Aries blends Aries’ pioneering spirit with a spectrum of outcomes—triumph through diligence (Sepharial), wisdom (Charubel), or subtle skill (Janduz), versus ruin (Carelli), isolation (Leinbach), or illusion (Matthews). It’s a degree of raw potential, shaped by choice and caution.

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Synthesis of 17 Aries
Thematic Overlap
Action and Initiative vs. Restraint and Reflection:
Action: Aries’ fiery, pioneering energy bursts forth in Kozminsky’s “man at a crossroad” (choice), Sepharial’s “man with pickaxe and spade” (diligence), and Carelli’s “naked man passing water” (raw expression). Sandbach and Lonsdale’s “bodiless head” adds a mental thrust—bold ideas unbound.

Restraint: Bovee, Jones, and Rudhyar’s “two prim spinsters” suggest suppressed vitality, a pause before action, or stifled will. Leinbach’s “man watching a ship sail away” and Muir’s “woman weeping on a tombstone” reflect a pullback—loss or introspection tempering Aries’ drive.

Tension: This duality pits Aries’ impulse against consequences—freedom versus limitation.

Vision and Leadership vs. Illusion and Excess:
Vision: Charubel’s “person surrounded by others seeking advice” casts 17 Aries as a wise leader, while Cochrane’s “person on a cliff” and Sandbach/Lonsdale’s head emphasize foresight and innovation. Kozminsky’s bird hints at intuitive guidance.

Illusion/Excess: Matthews’ “crescent moon reflected in a pool” warns of deceptive appearances, and Carelli’s vices—cynicism, scandal—suggest overreach. Bardon’s inferred spiritual leap could veer into delusion if unchecked.

Balance: The degree offers clarity or chaos, depending on discernment.

Gain and Resilience vs. Loss and Vulnerability:
Gain: Janduz’s “man fishing with a net” and Sepharial’s rise from obscurity promise rewards through effort. Weber’s inferred “ship in a storm” implies endurance yielding strength.

Loss: Leinbach’s departing ship and Muir’s graveyard evoke separation or sorrow, while Carelli’s “total ruin” and Sepharial’s obstacles highlight risks.

Outcome: Success hinges on persistence (Sepharial, Janduz) versus collapse from haste (Carelli).

Aries’ Essence:
Across all, Aries’ core—boldness, individuality, and initiation—shines, but it’s shaped by context: practical (Sepharial), intuitive (Charubel, Bardon), restrained (Jones, Rudhyar), or reckless (Carelli). The degree captures Aries at a crossroads—raw potential meets real-world tests.

Collective Patterns
Strength in Effort: Sepharial, Janduz, and Kozminsky emphasize hard-won progress—labor, skill, or choice as paths to rise.

Inner Conflict: Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar, and Muir suggest a quieter struggle—self versus society, past versus future.

Mystical Edge: Charubel, Sandbach, Lonsdale, and Bardon infuse a spiritual or visionary tint—17 Aries transcends the mundane when aligned.

Cautionary Notes: Carelli, Matthews, and Leinbach warn of pitfalls—excess, illusion, or abandonment derail the fire.

Final Take on 17 Aries
The 17th degree of Aries is a crucible of Aries’ primal energy—raw, bold, and teetering between triumph and turmoil. It’s a degree of potential unleashed yet tested, where initiative (Kozminsky’s crossroad, Sepharial’s tools) meets restraint (Bovee/Jones/Rudhyar’s spinsters), and vision (Charubel’s counsel, Sandbach/Lonsdale’s head) wrestles with illusion (Matthews’ moon) or excess (Carelli’s scandal). Mundanely, it might manifest as a society or leader poised to act—rising through grit (Sepharial, Janduz), guiding with wisdom (Charubel), or risking ruin (Carelli, Leinbach) if unchecked. Natally, it’s a call to harness Aries’ fire with purpose—diligence and discernment (Sepharial, Kozminsky) yield rewards, while haste or delusion (Carelli, Matthews) courts loss.
In essence, 17 Aries is Aries at a tipping point—a spark that can ignite progress (Janduz, Weber), illuminate truth (Charubel, Cochrane), or flicker out in isolation (Leinbach, Muir). It’s the warrior pausing at dawn—tools in hand, eyes on the horizon, choosing between storm (Weber) and stillness (Rudhyar), with the outcome resting on courage tempered by clarity. A degree of bold beginnings, shadowed by the need for balance.
Saturn’s Placement
Saturn at 19° Aries retrograde: In the 11th house (cusp 25° Pisces), near the 10th house cusp (17° Pisces). In Aries, its fall, Saturn struggles with impulsiveness versus its natural restraint, intensified by retrograde motion.

Ruler of 8th House: 8th cusp at ~8° Capricorn—Saturn rules death, transformation, and crises.

Ruler of 9th House: 9th cusp at ~11° Aquarius—Saturn traditionally rules foreign travel and higher meaning.

11th House: Groups, social networks, and collective aspirations, with a Piscean cusp adding a compassionate, sacrificial tone.

Interpretation
Saturn as Ruler of the 8th House
8th House (Death): Saturn governs the crash’s fatal outcome. In Aries, it reflects the aggressive chase (paparazzi, high speed), meeting a sudden, restrictive end (collision). Retrograde suggests a karmic undertone—past pressures (media scrutiny) culminating here.

11th House Context: Saturn ties this death to a collective sphere. Diana’s loss reverberated through her social network (11th)—fans, royalty, media—shifting global perceptions. The Piscean 11th cusp hints at her martyrdom, a universal sorrow.

Example: The crash (8th) at 12:23 AM ended her life, but Saturn in the 11th ensured a worldwide vigil—flowers at Kensington Palace reflect this collective (11th) grief.

Saturn as Ruler of the 9th House
9th House (Foreign Travel): Saturn rules Diana’s Paris trip, a foreign escape turned tragic. The 9th also covers media and public philosophy—her death sparked ethical debates.

11th House Context: In the 11th, Saturn links this foreign event to social hopes. Her Paris demise (9th) crushed aspirations (11th) for her future, with Aries’ haste (chase) meeting Saturn’s fate.

Example: The Paris journey (9th) ended in the tunnel, altering public dreams (11th) of her humanitarian legacy, with retrograde Saturn suggesting unresolved foreign ties (e.g., Dodi Fayed).

Saturn in the 11th House
11th House (Groups): Saturn imposes a limit on collective aspirations. Diana’s vibrant role in social networks (charities, public) ended abruptly, with Aries’ fire (crash) and Pisces’ empathy (mourning) blending in the 11th.

Retrograde in Aries: Reflects a revisiting of her public life’s chaos—media pursuit (Aries) hit Saturn’s wall (death), with retrograde hinting at posthumous reflection (inquests).

Near 10th Cusp: Proximity to the MC (17° Pisces) ties this to her public status—her death was both a social (11th) and iconic (10th) turning point.

Example: Saturn in the 11th marks the end of her “People’s Princess” role, with global tributes (11th) and a redefined royal image (10th).

17° Gemini Ascendant
Gemini Rising: Ruled by Mercury (12° Virgo retrograde, 4th house), it frames the event through communication and travel—the chase’s prelude. The 3rd house (Moon, Sun) emphasizes the car and media frenzy.

Saturn’s Role: Links the Gemini narrative (pursuit) to 8th house death and 9th house foreign impact, amplifying the 11th house collective resonance.

Summary
With a 17° Gemini Ascendant for August 30, 1997, 11:50 PM CEST in Paris (preceding the 12:23 AM crash), Saturn at 19° Aries retrograde, ruler of the 8th (Capricorn, death) and 9th (Aquarius, travel) houses, in the 11th house (Pisces cusp), signifies Diana’s fatal Paris crash as a transformative event with vast social impact. Saturn ties her death abroad to a collective loss, with Aries’ aggression (chase) meeting a karmic end, reflected by retrograde motion. The Gemini lens highlights communication and movement, framing a tragedy that reshaped global hopes.
If you meant 17° Gemini for Diana’s natal chart (not supported by Thornton’s article), please clarify her birth time, and I’ll adjust! For now, this aligns with the death event context.

17 Gemini

Mar. 25th, 2025 10:17 am
SPARKY needs to calm down

GROWTH & CHANGE - Or not and remains Silly & Childish


lonsdale

GEMINI 17
A magic coin that has only one side.
Bland realism as complete cover-up. Masquerading in whichever style and form disarms and deflects and confuses and confounds. Preferring to portray yourself as plain, straightforward, and as basic as can be. The ruse is that if you consistently blow yourself up to be a commonsensical character people shall look at you lightly, no probing. This frees up the subconscious mind to frolic impetuously, almost randomly. And if anybody ever inquired into the motivating spark behind the subconscious play and abandon, you would find a future soul discovering ways to entertain itself and keep it going, but exceedingly aware of the tides of events, awaiting the first cue to explode the personality and get on with the future for real.

JFK - Sun

Epping Hotel Demo 25/8/25 - Asc of Equinox




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Blaine Bovee
Source: The Sabian Symbols: An Astropoetic Formulation

Symbol: "The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker."

Interpretation: Bovee reworks it poetically: “A spark flares, then steadies… youth’s chatter turns to wisdom’s echo.” He sees Gemini 17° as “a shift from noise to knowing,” where Gemini’s quick mind deepens into “a flame of insight.” It’s “bold thought ripening”— risking stagnation, but offering “a bridge from play to purpose.” The transformation reflects mental growth.

Gemini at 17° refines—CURIOUSITY matures into clarity.

John Sandbach
Source: The Circular Temple (Chandra Symbols)

Omega Symbol: "A magic ladder made of glowing wood."

Keyword: Manifesting/Inspired

Interpretation: Sandbach offers “a shimmering ascent,” where “glowing wood” suggests Gemini’s ideas taking tangible form. Gemini 17° is “manifesting dreams through inspired steps”—communication lifts to new heights, blending “playful exploration with mystical reach.” It’s Gemini’s agility scaling—risking overreach, but achieving “graceful elevation.”

Context: Gemini’s versatility at 17° climbs—thought sparks upward.

Ellias Lonsdale
Source: Inside Degrees (1997, building on Sandbach’s Chandra Symbols)

Symbol: "A magic ladder made of glowing wood."

Interpretation: Lonsdale deepens it: “You climb what shouldn’t hold… each rung a dare, a leap to what’s beyond.” He frames Gemini 17° as “a restless soul scaling the unseen,” where “the self chases light through words.” It’s “primal curiosity defying limits”—risking a fall, but offering “transcendence through motion.” The ladder is both quest and risk.

Context: Gemini at 17° dares—duality seeks the ethereal.

Marc Edmund Jones
Source: The Sabian Symbols in Astrology (1953)

Symbol: "The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker."

Interpretation: Jones describes this as “a symbol of intellectual growth,” where “mental powers evolve through experience.” Gemini 17° is “a transition to deeper understanding”—Gemini’s chatter matures into insight, reflecting “potential fulfilled.” The keyword is Development—quick wit slows to wisdom, risking rigidity, but gaining depth.

Context: Gemini’s mind at 17° grows—communication gains weight.

Dane Rudhyar
Source: An Astrological Mandala (1973, refining Jones’s Sabian Symbols)

Symbol: "The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker."

Interpretation: Rudhyar rephrases it: “The transformation of physical vitality into the power of the mind,” where “consciousness shifts from instinct to reason.” Gemini 17° is “a stage of mental evolution”—Gemini’s duality integrates, “unlocking creative thought.” The keyword is Transmutation—energy refines, risking loss of spontaneity, but fostering “intellectual potency.”

Context: Gemini at 17° evolves—curiosity becomes wisdom.

Synthesis and Comparison
Bovee: “Youth to thinker”—poetic shift, wisdom’s echo.

Sandbach: “Magic ladder”—inspired ascent, glowing steps.

Lonsdale: “Glowing ladder”—daring climb, transcendent leap.

Jones: “Youth to thinker”—developmental growth, deepened mind.

Rudhyar: “Vitality to mind”—transmuted power, evolved thought.

Gemini Themes at 17°:
Communication: Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar—words mature from play to purpose.

Duality: Sandbach, Lonsdale—ladder bridges high and low, risk and gain.

Growth: All reflect mid-Gemini’s arc—17° refines 16°’s “woman activist” (Rudhyar: zeal) or “weaving spider” (Sandbach: craft) into wisdom or ascent.

Progression: Gemini 17° moves past 16°’s activism or intricacy—it’s thought stabilizing (thinker) or soaring (ladder), balancing Gemini’s air with depth.

Opinion: Bovee’s “ripening” and Rudhyar’s “transmutation” ground Gemini 17° in mental evolution, while Sandbach and Lonsdale’s “ladder” lift it with ethereal flair—Jones ties both. Lonsdale’s daring edge captures Gemini’s restless spark—17° feels like Gemini finding its stride. How does this blend of growth and ascent strike you for Gemini 17°? Want famous charts or more?

Gemini 17° The head of health dissolved into the head of mentality

This is a symbol of man’s achievement on the level of spiritual or eternal fellowship with his kind, here emphasized subjectively as a focus of selfhood in conscious self-awareness and as a capacity to live the lives of all men in imagination and appreciation. Implicit in the symbolism is the foundation of any human well-being in everyday or immediate and practical fact, with well-rounded individuality made the condition of all real progress.

The keyword is DEVELOPMENT.

When positive, the degree is the effective orientation of selfhood in an over-all vision, and when negative, a defeat of accomplishment by a senseless CLINGING to the ILLUSIONS of YOUTH.

National Flag Waving in UK - Equinox ASC

Reform Party V.Popular



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BAD DEGREE???

17º Gemini: A blind giant in full armour hitting out wildly with a huge battle-axe at nothing.
Denotes one who overestimates his power and who rushes into quarrels from which no good can be
obtained. After trouble and waste of energy he may find to his chagrin that he has gained nothing by
his adventures but the reward of folly. It is a symbol of Blundering. - kozminsky


MATTHEWS - Most people concerned with this degree seem to be
DREAMY or IMPRACTICAL.


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SepharielIt denotes one who will come to some untimely end through the hands of another. It shows the nature to be unpractical and the pursuits of the native to be mostly, vain and of no lasting benefit
It shows loss of powers, during lifetime, and perhaps loss of faculties. It is a degree of IMPOTENCE




Heathrow Fire
THE BASICS.
18°=

>>Virgo/Mercury Ruled

>>Stereotypes: diabolical, illness, evil


Nottingham Stabbings 13/6/23 - BML

Liverpool Car - Mars

PSG Multicultural Riots


ula is: manipulating-ideal-original- generalizing-physical-receptive.

Dr. Marc Edmund Jones provides the official meaning of this Sabian symbol in his work, The Sabian Symbols in Astrology:

Leo 18° A teacher of chemistry

This is a symbol of the human mind’s illimitable power for penetrating into the deeper mysteries of an everyday world, and of the growing ambition of man TO GAIN AN EFFECTIVE CONTROL over ALL the processes of nature.

.such as media truth in Pr. Harry -
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Degree Theory is a fascinating concept within astrology that assigns specific meanings to each degree of the zodiac signs. Each of the 360 degrees of the zodiac is believed to carry its own unique significance, influencing personality traits, life events, and energies.

18 Degrees of Leo: Key Interpretations
At 18 degrees of Leo, the interpretations can vary slightly among different astrologers, but here are some common themes associated with this degree:

Creativity and Expression:

This degree often emphasizes a strong desire for creative expression. Individuals may possess talents in the arts, performance, or any field that allows them to shine and showcase their unique gifts.
Leadership and Confidence:

Leo is a sign associated with leadership, and the 18th degree can amplify these qualities. There may be a natural inclination to take charge and inspire others, with a charismatic presence that attracts attention.
Dramatic Flair:

There can be a theatrical quality to those influenced by this degree. They may have a penchant for drama or larger-than-life experiences, seeking excitement and adventure in their lives.
Potential for Ego Challenges:

While confidence is a strength, this degree can also bring challenges related to ego. Individuals might need to navigate issues of pride or vanity, learning to balance self-expression with humility. Liverpool Car 26/5/25 - Mars Leo
Influence of Other Aspects:

It's important to remember that the overall natal chart context (like the houses, aspects with other planets, etc.) will influence how this degree manifests in an individual's life.
Conclusion
In summary, 18 degrees of Leo is about creativity, leadership, and a bit of drama, with some potential challenges regarding ego and self-identity. It can be a powerful degree for those who harness its energy effectively!

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BEWARE OF TRYING TO CUT CORNERS

Revised Summary of Leo 18 by Lyn Birkbeck
General Interpretation:
The Sabian Symbol for Leo 18, “A chemist conducting an experiment,” represents a scientific or alchemical understanding of life’s deeper workings. It emphasizes the ability to analyze reality, predict outcomes, and control processes through careful observation and experimentation. The symbol draws on alchemy’s metaphor of transforming the basic into the refined, symbolizing personal or situational evolution.
Keep Focused On: Using your analytical skills to gain and share insights about your experiences and surroundings, and teaching or learning to enhance your situation.

Watch Out For: A DETACHED or overly CLINICAL approach that could undermine efforts or lead to destructive outcomes.

Love/Relating/Social:
This degree focuses on the “chemistry” of relationships, where one person may have deeper insight into interpersonal dynamics. It calls for awareness of how interactions stimulate and transform both parties.
Keep Focused On: Identifying which aspects of your personality are activated by others, taking responsibility for your role, and fostering mutual growth.

Watch Out For: Ignoring the mutual influence in relationships, which could lead to isolation or explosive conflicts.

Money/Work/Creativity:
For educators, this symbol affirms their role while stressing continuous learning. In work or financial contexts, it highlights the need to respect natural rules and processes to achieve success.
Keep Focused On: Observing interactions among elements and people in your work to uncover creative solutions that lead to transformation.

Watch Out For: Exhausting resources by pursuing impossible goals or ignoring practical limits.

Karma/Attitude/Health:
Leo 18 underscores that life operates under natural laws of cause and effect, and awareness of these is essential for growth. It urges you to either deepen your understanding of these laws or share your knowledge to guide others. The additional text emphasizes life as a series of alchemical processes—stages of transformation that everyone must navigate. Transformation is presented as life’s core purpose, with each stage requiring acceptance and patience.
Keep Focused On: Recognizing and sharing the alchemical stages of transformation, accepting their necessity, and viewing life itself as the ultimate teacher. This approach makes life’s processes purposeful and fulfilling.

Watch Out For: Attempting to bypass these stages or cut corners, which leads to vain efforts and hinders progress.

Key Quote: “Transformation, that’s the name of the game.”

Why Leo 18 Is Known as the “Diabolical Degree”
The term “diabolical degree” does not appear in Birkbeck’s text, but the provided excerpt, with its focus on alchemy, transformation, and the risks of cutting corners, offers clues to why Leo 18 might carry this label in certain astrological circles. Below are refined explanations, incorporating the new text:
Alchemical Risks and the “Diabolical” Connotation:
The emphasis on alchemy—the process of transforming the base into the refined—carries a dual nature. Alchemy historically blended science, mysticism, and the pursuit of forbidden or esoteric knowledge, sometimes viewed with suspicion as tampering with divine or natural order. Birkbeck’s text describes the need to navigate “alchemical processes and stages” (Karma/Attitude/Health), but warns against “vainly trying to cut corners.” Missteps in this transformative process—such as rushing or ignoring natural laws—could lead to failure or harm, metaphorically akin to a chemical experiment gone wrong (e.g., an explosion). The “diabolical” label might reflect this potential for destructive outcomes if the degree’s energy is mishandled, evoking imagery of reckless or “sinister” manipulation of powerful forces.

Intensity of Transformation:
Birkbeck’s statement that “transformation is actually what life is all about” underscores Leo 18’s focus on profound change. However, transformation can be intense, risky, or destabilizing, especially in Leo, a sign associated with bold, dramatic energy. The degree’s call to accept and navigate life’s stages patiently suggests that resistance or haste could lead to negative consequences. In some astrological traditions, degrees associated with such high-stakes transformation might be labeled “diabolical” to highlight their challenging or perilous nature, particularly if the ego-driven qualities of Leo amplify the risks.

Shadow Side of Control and Detachment:
The warning in the General Interpretation against a “clinical or detached attitude” that could be “destructive” aligns with the idea of a “diabolical” outcome. A chemist who experiments without regard for consequences might cause harm, paralleling the alchemical pursuit of power or knowledge without ethical grounding. This shadow side—where control or intellectual arrogance overrides humility—could contribute to the degree’s ominous reputation in certain contexts.

Leo’s Ego and Potential for Hubris:
Leo’s association with ego, leadership, and charisma can become problematic at 18 degrees, especially if the transformative process is approached with impatience or a desire to dominate outcomes. The warning against “cutting corners” suggests that bypassing natural processes could lead to failure or chaos. In esoteric traditions, such hubris might be seen as “diabolical” in the sense of defying natural or cosmic order, inviting unintended consequences.

Possible External Origin of the Term:
Since “diabolical degree” isn’t mentioned in Birkbeck’s text, it likely originates from another source—perhaps a different astrologer, a specific astrological tradition, or a community discussion. For example, some degrees are labeled as “critical” or “fated” based on historical events or astrological observations, and Leo 18 might have been associated with intense or negative manifestations in certain charts. The term could also be a dramatic flourish used by an astrologer to emphasize the degree’s transformative challenges.

Additional Insights
The additional text strengthens the alchemical theme, framing life as a series of transformative stages that require patience and awareness. This aligns with the chemist metaphor, where precision and respect for process are critical to avoid disastrous results, potentially explaining the “diabolical” label as a cautionary note.

The phrase “transformation, that’s the name of the game” encapsulates the degree’s essence, but it also implies that mishandling transformation could lead to setbacks, reinforcing the need for discipline and humility.

Recommendations
To clarify the “diabolical degree” label:
Share the Source: If you recall where you encountered the term (e.g., another book, website, or astrologer), I can investigate further to pinpoint its origin and context.

Search Option: I can search X or the web for references to Leo 18 as the “diabolical degree” to see if other astrologers have used this term, though results may be limited without specific leads.

Text Confirmation: If you have more excerpts from Birkbeck’s book or related texts that might hint at this label, sharing them could help refine the explanation.

For now, the “diabolical degree” likely reflects the high-stakes, transformative nature of Leo 18, with its potential for destructive outcomes if its energy is misapplied. Let me know how you’d like to proceed!

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Leo 18. A man walks into the pages of a novel. (Omega Symbol) Manifesting/Receptive

(Degree Angel: Manakel (MA-na-KEL) Accountability, Knowledge of Good and Evil)

You have the ability to mould yourself to any given reality, and this ability to relate and interact with vibrancy in all sorts of contexts means that you are a go-between between different groups and different ways of living and feeling. You take on and REFLECT your environment

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“A chemist conducting an experiment for his students.”
This symbol suggests precision, transformation through knowledge, and the blending of elements to create something new—resonating with the concept of alchemy (historically linked to chemistry and transmutation).

In a mundane sense, this could symbolize controlled efforts to transform or unite diverse elements, but if mishandled, it could lead to volatile outcomes, like an experiment gone wrong.

Alchemy in astrology often represents transformation, merging disparate parts into something greater (e.g., base metals into gold or spiritual enlightenment). Sue Kientz uses “alchemy” to describe transformative processes, particularly with dwarf planets like Haumea, which she associates with creation, healing, or drastic action.

MULTICULTURISM/BLENDING/HALF-CASTE etc

Paris PSG Riots of different races - alchemy? - Mars

17 Pisces

Jan. 24th, 2025 12:11 pm
'An Easter Promenade' is seen. A 'Promenade' is defined as a leisurely walk taken for
pleasure, to display one's finery, etc. The 'Easter Promenade' is a celebration of bright
clothes, fancy hats, and competitions, with appearances by such things as the easter
bunny. This is a tradition born more out of the older celebrations of the spring solstice
than the Christian festival of Easter and the crucifixion, but these separate festivals
long ago became combined and they now compliment each other. In the northern
hemisphere our souls are renewed with the beauty of spring approaching and the
celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. Feelings of hope and faith are deepened during
this very significant event in the Christian calendar.
Oracle:
There is regularly a need to share with others the celebration of your community's
religious or spiritual aspirations and ideals. It doesn't matter whether there is a feeling
of actual religious cohesion amongst the people in this 'Easter Promenade', it's more
about sharing strong community values. Often, the actual meaning behind the
celebration is completely ignored. New traditions can build on old traditions until,
sometimes, the origins can seem lost, blurred or forgotten. This is not really a problem
as long as it brings people together in an atmosphere of peace and joy. On a deeper
level, there may be other layers of meaning to these celebrations that have also been
lost completely, but nevertheless leave a vibration or resonance that is in our
unconscious awareness. The 'Easter Promenade' is about the layering of traditions and
to some extent the superimposing of new traditions on the old. No matter how
structured or organized this celebration is, if it's done with joy and warmth of feeling, it
will inspirit the group, infusing them with a sense of emotional unity. It is the
combination of celebrations of rebirth, fertility and the communal renewal of faith in
the good things of life.
Keywords:
Renewed faith in one's life circumstances. Rising up from doubt, fear and loss. Public
holidays and their celebrations. Dressing up. Easter bonnets. Easter eggs, chickens and
the fertility rites of spring. Rebirth. Forgiveness. Joy. Spiritual unity. Religious holidays.
Worship. Renewal. Parades. Transformation.
The Caution:
Superficial shows of unity. Craving for attention. Always needing an excuse to get
together and unite. Empty displays of faith or joy. Doing things only because everyone
else is doing them. Feeling lost, alone and forsaken in the crowd. Guilt trips. Exclusion
of other faiths. Religious domination.
Parliament Takes over Brexit - CRmI
The Easter feeling does not end. It signals a new beginning, Of nature, spring, and
brand new life, And friendship, peace, and giving. The spirit of Easter is all about Hope,
love, and joyful living.
[quote]Pisces 17: An Easter promenade
Walk this way...
The way into understanding Pisces 17, An Easter promenade lies in the opposing


[quote]Pisces 17: An Easter promenade
Walk this way...
The way into understanding Pisces 17, An Easter promenade lies in the opposing
degree, Virgo 17 A volcano in eruption. The idea is to feel the enormous burst of
powerful energies and yet place them in a social context, such as going for a stroll on a
lovely Easter afternoon.
In previous Sabian symbol posts for this degree, I have described this as 'the wild man
in polite society'.
(Axel Rudakubana)

Picture someone who has had the most moving inspiration, rushing
out into the street to tell everybody. Chances are that if someone is erupting in excitement and intensity... like a volcano in
eruption... it is unlikely that everyday, polite society is ready or even able to receive
the news.
This is the challenge of Pisces 17. Horror of public at hearing Southport Stabbing details - VENUS/SATURN
The dynamic tends to flow this way: there are high, rigid social standards and
expectations. Perhaps even severe moral standards. One feels the need to duck and
dive around the oppressive social atmosphere, but then, it becomes all too much and
an inner force of sheer inspiration bursts forth. The inspired individual runs out into the streets proclaiming his or her new truth! Alas, the reception is less enthusiastic. But as time and development goes on, there is an uplifting influence, perhaps through
humour, perhaps through force of persevering character. It might like remembering a time of youthful inspiration, shouting out on the streets, barking at the moon, singing outside of your girl-friend's window and waking her parents. Seems funny in retrospect.
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Getting on his hands and knees, a man uses a piece of white chalk to draw a circle
around himself. Manifesting/Sensitive
This degree has an intuitive sense of how to protect itself and how to filter out
influences that might be disturbing or disruptive to it. It is always able to find a space in which to work, and has a special gift for clearing the atmosphere so that room is made to do whatever needs to be accomplished. And if it follows its impulses, the
result will always be magic working through it.

A kangaroo and her baby who looks out from the mother's pouch. The image signifies
that this degree at its highest experiences the universe as a great mother who
eternally offers safety and protection. It may feel isolated and different from others,
but with usually no sense of alienation. It knows that we are all children who are being
raised and taken care of

17 Gemini

Jan. 22nd, 2025 02:55 pm
THE HEAD OF A ROBUST YOUTH CHANGES INTO THAT OF A MATURE THINKER
Commentary: ‘The Head of a Robust Youth Changes Into That of
a Mature Thinker’ shows that the young male energy in us has to
grow up sooner or later.

Think things through and look to the consequences of your actions. More respect will, or at least should, be shown towards people as they ‘Mature’ and take on a more thinking attitude. Getting to know yourself and your responses to the environment will produce a more ‘Mature’,
grounded and empowered you.

Keywords: Thinking with the higher mind. Gaining maturity.
Making wise decisions. Using the system to get what one wants.
Growing up “overnight”. Having to change whether one likes it
or not.

The Caution: Needs to be more Mature. No longer the wild action man. Suddenly becoming old. Losing innocence and energy. Clinging to the illusions of childhood. Peter-Pan attitudes.

USA Election Day - Prog Moon in Biden US Inaug chart
Gemini 17: A head of health dissolved into the head of mentality
It all comes to a head...

Compare Gemini 17 with Virgo 17., the mutable cousin of the sign of the Twins.

Virgo 17: A volcano in eruption" does suggest blowing one's top, perhaps a hot head, burning ideas that explode, fume and run like molten lava.

Gemini 17 points to a transition from 'health' to 'mentality'. The dynamic seems to be up, rising from a hale and fit body condition to an idea, a mindset, an abundance of mentality.

Sagittarius 17 and Pisces 17 both refer to Easter themes: motifs of eggs, birth & re-birth; spring-like renewal, the second coming.

Emphasis seems very much on the head.

Expect a great deal of dependence upon ideas, views, mentality in general and possibly ideas that blow ordinary social conventions away... like a volcano. There is power and DESTRUCTIVENESS possible through the ideation and expression of Gemini 17, but only because there is a like measure of CREATIVITY, creative power.

Shooting of Insurance CEO - Jupiter R Detriment

JFK - Sun



HARKENING BACK TO ONE'S HEALTHY YOUTH - UK Glory Days or bitter, crippled person like Luigi Mangione


IDEA- WRONG IDEAS - MISGUIDED -DESTRUCTIVE
We need to move past the more difficult issues or the problems of our histories, particularly
issues where someone felt a sense of failure, loss, despair, betrayal
or unfaithfulness. Forgetting past hurts and insults in favor of
enjoying the reality of life in the here and now will lift everyone’s
spirits. However, it may indeed be possible to resurrect ideas,
situations or people that long since felt lost, or indeed, bring
them back from “the dead”. The present needs to be seen in the
light of a new era, with the difficulties of the past being laid to
rest for good. Join with others in expressions of joy as this can
lift everyone’s spirits. Rituals performed with ceremony, or going
to a church or temple can reconnect you spiritually.

Shooting of Insurance CEO - Mercury



16-17 deg
Sagittarius A man afloat upon a raft.

This symbol denotes one of isolated and lonely mind, given to projects of alien kind, daring enterprises and unique adventures. Such an one will be estranged from his relations and kindred, and will lead a life of great vicissitudes and
hardships, failing in the latter part of life in somebold adventure whereby he will become involved in many troubles. His position in life will be unstable and as it were founded upon the waters.

He may be a sailor and become shipwrecked, or in other capacity will meet with wreck of fortunes and be deserted by his own. It is a degree of
ABANDONMENT.
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SAGITTARIUS 17
A monkey dressed in a brocade coat.
Playing with roles, masks, and the tricky side of life, you simulate whichever facet will optimize the situation. You're permitted great latitude in improvising and going off on tangents. Becoming constructively chaotic, harnessing the forces of the collective madness. Ingenious and witty and bright. Devoid of substance, virtually pure image. Having fun, and trying things on for size. Slipping in and slipping out. Playing games. You are also empowered from within to throw off all solemnities, and to free up situations whichever way it will work, without moral standards to inhibit the free flow of inventive enthusiasms.




https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Degrees.html

29' Cancer and 29' Leo are the most powerful, related to obtainment of wealth and prosperity, and has good luck along with great mystical powers attached to them.

Edit: From the web link, I have these planetary placements in astrological degrees.

29 Degrees of all signs bring about the ending of events in life, such as relationships, leaving a place of residence and so forth with predictive astrology, such as solar and lunar returns. - My true or north node is at 29' Leo close to cusp of Virgo in 2nd/3rd cusp.

29 Degrees of Pisces signifies a permanent ending in predictive astrology, as is 29 degrees of Taurus. - I have Pallas in Pisces in 9th/10th cusp close to the Midheaven in 3' Aries in 10th, conjunct Eros in 2', Venus in 7', Eris in 14' and Ceres in 21' all Aries 10th.

9 and 21 Degrees of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius have a tendency to misfortune. 21 Degrees of Scorpio is definitely a degree of loss, both natally and in prediction, but the loss is not always negative. - I have a Chiron placement in 9' Taurus-11th and the Moon in 20' Aquarius close to 21'. I believe my Sedna is in 21' Taurus, the farthest dwarf planet in the solar system - also in the 11th.

4 and 17 of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Pisces are similar to the 13 and 26 Degrees of the Cardinal signs. - Mercury in 13'-14' Pisces, the fall of Mercury is in 14', weakest link for the planet Mercury, also 9th, it may explain my childhood diagnosis with autism.

Many who are chronic alcoholics have prominent planets on the 25th degree of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius. The influence is especially strong if Neptune is involved. - 26' Aquarius sun-8th, an "addictive" personality (and it runs in my Dad's side of family).

17 Degrees of Gemini is degree of homicide/suicide. - I have 16' Gemini in my noon-time Ascendant chart (birth: 17' Cancer).

9 Degrees of Virgo and Pisces are known as fatal degrees, body in the ditch degrees and degrees of suffering. - Mars in 9' Virgo conjunct Jupiter in 6' Virgo, Saturn in 24-25' Virgo and Lilith in 26' all in 3rd. These are malefic placements for Mars and these others.

22 degrees of all signs, especially the fixed signs is bad, either natally or in prediction. - I have Neptune in 22' Sagittarius-6th.


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The seventeenth degree is one of ecstasis or coming apart. Catharsis.
the PURGING of the emotions or relieving of emotional tensions, esp. through a work of art, as of tragedy or music. 2. Med. purgation. 3. Psychiatry. a discharge of REPRESSED or PENT UP emotions resulting in the alleviation of symptoms or the elimination of the condition.
Scorpio 17° A woman the father of her own child

This is a symbol of the eternal conflict between the practical involvements and the ideal potentialities of human nature, as here emphasized in man’s conscious individuality. The soul feels the weight of its transient responsibilities while the indwelling and immortal spirit is sensitive to its need for an enduring place in the scheme of things. The recurrent virgin birth of self is its reconciliation with its world through their common center or reality.

The Keyword is NUCLEATION.

When positive, the degree is an illimitable self-potentiality with effective spiritual or ideal as well as practical or everyday orientations, and when negative, a characteristically anarchistic self-sufficiency.

Alan Young - Jupiter

Kings Coronation in 1066 progressed chart - Neptune

suggests wilful anarchism by King on religions and UK on RF??


How the Heart-Brain Connection Works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_2EKIG_zEg

The Source of Creation in You

The Heart Has Its Own “Brain” and Consciousness; far more than a simple pump, as was once believed, the heart is now recognized by scientists as a highly complex system with its own functional brain.

17 Leo

Mar. 5th, 2024 10:57 am
VOLUNTEER CHURCH CHOIR MAKES SOCIAL EVENT OF A REHEARSAL

Commentary: The ‘Volunteer Church Choir’ is pictured here.
They come together to make a ‘Social Event of a Rehearsal’.
Although their voices will often hit the right pitch, sometimes
they won’t. As they are a ‘Volunteer Church Choir’, the issue is
not the quality of people's voices or being able to hold a tune, but
more the sharing of voices and the enjoyment that such gatherings
can bring. Criticism of how folks “sing” should be left at the door.
Each and every person should be encouraged to contribute what
they can, to raise his or her voice in a celebration of spiritual unity
and the enjoyment of life.

Oracle: You may feel the need to be with those of like mind, feelings and aspirations. Take the opportunity to share in their expression of spiritual joy and shared faith. Unified voices need to be heard, and can uplift all that hear them. Coming together to contribute to the community without thought of more tangible rewards will bring a sense of belonging and fellowship on many
levels. Bringing even the smallest tokens and gifts to the gathering will be appreciated in some way. Helpers may be required to come to the aid of others. There may be a need to test things out
to see if they stand up to reality. Whether you receive rewards or are paid for the work you do or not, there may be a need to inject more fun and light-heartedness. Ultimately, if everyone is comfortable and friendly with each other, communication and the quality of work will improve. Even a gesture such as drinks after work can bring people closer together. Overall, everybody should feel happy to be around people of like mind; not pressurized to
put in a top-rate performance.

Keywords: Making the most of any situation. Feelings of
togetherness. Rehearsing without worrying about what might
happen. Doing things without thought of reward. Sharing
community. Catching up on what others are doing. Busking
and street singing. Learning to open up the throat. Charity
work. Volunteers. Sharing food and drink. Small gifts for others.
Dedication to ideals. Extending yourself by mixing in. Gatherings.
Church or school halls. King Charles III

The Caution: Trivializing the purpose of gatherings. Being afraid
or reticent to lift up one’s voice. Standing in the background
because of the belief that one is not “good” enough to join in.
Criticizing others for not contributing enough.
ABIAN SYMBOLS, A SCREEN OF PROPHECY - Diana Roche, $39.95
Contents:


Preface
Introduction
1. The origin & history of the Sabian Symbols:
The early influence of Charubel; The Mesopotamian connection; The plan; The event; Early work on the Sabian Symbols; The Sabian Symbols in Astrology; Today

2. Methods & Techniques:
Determining which degree to use; Transiting planets; Chart angles; New & full moons; The Sabian Symbol at sunrise; The Sabian Symbol at moonrise; Chart rectification; Horary charts; The astrological formula: Polarity, Quadrature, Triplicity, First & second halves of signs, Five degree units of each half sign; The hidden genius of the formula: Fivefold dimension of self-expression; Divinatory Techniques: Framing the question, Calculator method, Mental focus, Drawing slips, Using a clock, Using dice, Using playing cards, Journals & scrapbooks, Using your imagination

3. The Sabian Symbols in practical & everyday use: Cycles; Signatures; Literal interpretation; Astrological charts; Subtlety; Divination

4. Negative or reversed symbols

5. The Sabian Symbols: Aries to Pisces

Chapter notes
Index to Sabian Symbols
Index to keywords
General index.

Comment: A new look at the Sabians by the retired head of the Sabian Assembly. Illustrated with Marc Edmund Jones's original hand-pencilled Sabian notes, from that long ago day in 1925 in San Diego. For the first time you can see the words as Jones actually wrote them, the strike-outs, the pencilled additions, etc. Those of you who study handwriting analysis, and know the subsequent history of the words themselves, will find this to be uniquely fascinating.

This is the most comprehensive book on the Sabian Symbols to date. Includes: In depth, user-friendly text, daily guide for each symbol, reproductions of original index cards of Dr. Jones, thousands of additional keywords, new divinitory methods & techniques, helpful themewords & phrases, indexes for images, keywords & themes. The clearest exposition, the easiest of the three books to use.

This book was originally self-published, with the printing done by a print-on-demand shop in Vancouver, BC. This particular company required Ms Roche to supply a stock of covers. In late 2009, when those covers were exhausted, she asked if I would reprint. I was happy to do so.

So, quite to my surprise, I found myself going over the Sabians in some detail. I learned something interesting. You can treat Sabians the same way you treat tarot cards. What do the Sabians mean? Well, they mean what Jones and Rudhyar and Roche say they mean, but you must also bring yourself, your ideas, your thoughts, your experience to the symbols. The Sabians, like Tarot, are dual. Them and you. You and them. Here are two examples:

My natal Venus is at 17 degrees 14 minutes of Capricorn. By the rules, that's Capricorn 18. Which is The Union Jack. But I don't like that nearly as much as the symbol for 17, which is, A girl surreptitiously bathing in the nude. I like this because it, after all, represents my Venus, which likes the idea of naked girls, and, in Capricorn, is just a bit hung up anyway. So let's look at Roche, Rudhyar & Jones:

Rudhyar rewrites the image completely: A repressed woman finds a psychological release in nudism. No, Mr. Rudhyar, that's not what it says. A casual bath is not the same as stripping onstage at the Follies Burlesque. Not even close. The Great Dane goes on to moralize.

Jones gives us the straight text, and then goes on to give the traditional occult interpretation, that now we're getting down to business, the human body as the temple of the spirit, self-sacrifice, psychological renunciation, etc.

Roche picks up on Jones, and adds, modesty, shyness and inhibition. Try to overcome that, she says.

I read something else. I read, surreptitiously as the key word in the symbol. It's not that the girl is naked, and it's not that she's wet. If she wants a bath, she can draw the curtains, close the door, and hop in the tub. She can keep her shyness, her modesty, her privacy, all to herself. Surreptitiously implies an element of risk. What is she risking? Not her life. Since there is no risk without an expected gain, what does she hope to gain? Well, being naked is not going to save anyone's life. She's not risking her life, she's not going to save anyone's life.

It's more subtle than that. She is not in need of cleansing, nudity is not forced on her. She is out of doors - by definition - in a place where she reasonably believes she probably won't be disturbed. As she thinks about bathing, and as she removes her clothes, and as she bathes in the lake or stream, she wonders, what if someone saw her there? What if someone was spying on her? The thought gives her a thrill, nothing more. While she may be secretly hoping for the Handsome Stranger to ride to her rescue, if any person actually stepped forward, her reverie would be rudely interrupted, she would be shocked, she would flee.

And there's another, unstated part: She might not be alone. She might have come with a trusted friend, to stand guard. I once had a girlfriend, who had a girlfriend, who one day decided to go to the beach without me. While there, my girlfriend decided to go topless. The beach was deserted, and her friend kept her top on. My girlfriend was surreptitious in the full sense of the word. Afterword she boasted of her bravery, even though no one, save her friend, had seen her. Taking her top off gave her courage to try other things she had not before considered herself brave enough to attempt. Capricorn 17 is therefore, Mustering up the courage to try something new. The woman in question is therefore advised to take Goethe's maxim: Be Bold! Boldness has its own reward. Advice the timid, lovelorn Venus in Capricorn could well use, I think. Since there is a resonable expectation of privacy, the moral stigma would apply to the peeping Tom, not to her.

he number of degrees between two planets in a chart. Convert that number to one of the Sabian Symbols of Marc Edmund Jones, where 1 Aries is the beginning, 30 Pisces (360) is the end. Use the overview format given by Rudhyar in An Astrological Mandala. (See Sabian Symbols.) Presto: A Sabian symbol for the aspect & new insight into the two planets. Example: Sun at 14 Aries, Moon at 29 Scorpio. Degrees of separation: 225. The 225th Sabian: Children Playing Around Five Mounds of Sand. That’s the Sabian aspect orb for the two planets. Not only does every aspect tell a story, but also, every degree of separation is its own unique aspect. This book covers dozens of aspects, both waxing & waning, all from a Sabian point of view. A unique book.

Earthwalk School of Astrology, 243 pages.
In the context of the series Aries 26-30, disappointment may be the best thing that could happen. Disappointment and depression in a general sense most often manifest as a natural way for the human psyche to cool down the grandiose psycho-dynamics of ego ambitions.

Seen in this way... and I repeat, in most Astrological work 'depression' is not a disorder of dramatic concern, meaning there is nothing wrong with you and there is no need to run for 'meds' to combat a 'disorder'... Aries 28 points to a beneficial deepening of self-awareness ... more grounded, brought down from super-human expectations... that allows an open space for grace to brighten your day.

There is inner power in Pisces 28... and all of the Mutable 28 degree symbols. But it is a power connected to the earth, to life, and it does ...

Aries 28: A large disappointed audience
https://sabiansymbol.typepad.com › 2010/04 › aries-2...
17 Apr 2010 — It is suggested through all mutable 28th degree symbols, that one dismiss social commentary and gossip. The most constructive space to be in is your own, regardless of what others think or what you think others think.


28TH seems to be about strong self belief, stubborness and strong opinions..religious extremists/ - SEE ISRAELI ATTACK 0CT 2023

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When we look at the keywords of the Capricorn symbols (from Dr. M.E. Jones "The Sabian Symbols in Astrology", 1953) we get the following:

Explanation, Magic, Signature, Inflexibility, Fitness, Attunement, Expectation, Recognition, Supremacy, Worship, Commemoration, Consecration, Community, Nurture, Supervision, Foundation, Establishment, Ordering, Expediency, Consignment, Opportunity, Illimitability, Abundance, Immersion, Thoroughness, Avidity, Restlessness, Animation, Mobilization, Perseverance

The keywords give us a similar sense of the main themes of Capricorn with Saturn, which is the planetary ruler of Capricorn.

I include these keywords purely for interest, since Dr Jones was a gifted astrologer however the keywords are purely his interpretation of the symbols. I personally focus on whatever I feel resonates with the symbol, rather than going by someone else's keyword. We all have different experiences - for example what may have been true for Dr. M.E. Jones, living in the first half of the 20th century in North America, does not necessarily resonate for sweat-shop workers enslaved in a Free Trade Zone.

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One theme that emerges with 9th degrees is a a sharp focus or concentration. This is consistent with all 9th degree symbols, but seems to introduce a level of concentrated awareness not easily distracted.

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2 CANCER...elitist and cold can appear self righteous.

Queens courtiers would have to deal with QE's death dispassionately - VENUS at 2 Cancer - magic carpet



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THE SEVENTEENTH DEGREE
Of all the degree numbers that planets can be in, the 17th degree of each sign is, I feel, one of the most unusual. According to Kabbalah the number 17 is ruled by Venus, and so the 17th degree of each sign is its Venus degree.

It seems to me that the 17th degree of a sign is on a quest for value – that is, is trying to find out the value of the sign its in. 17 has a feeling of never being satisfied with the surface. It is always looking deeper, and even when it finds something deeper it is always feeling there is something deeper yet to find. What 17 is looking for is the Spiritual Light hidden in each sign.

Sandra and I both have the 17th degree of Leo in our charts – I have Saturn there and she has Moon. The Omega Symbol for this degree is “A giant squid asleep in the ocean depths.”

The whole purpose of the sign Leo is to express and be a channel for the Spiritual Light. When Leo reflects this light into the world, it has attained its highest purpose.

The Leo polarity is LITTLE VERSUS BIG. When Leo becomes petty, demanding of attention, touchy, worried as to its own worth, and in need of constant reassurance it makes itself little. When it opens up and allows the spiritual light into itself and then reflects that spiritual light out into the world with magnanimity and love, it allowws itself to become big, that is, true to its higher nature. The giant squid of the symbol represents the bigness of Leo, for the giant squid is the biggest animal on the face of the earth. And the fact that it lives in the ocean means that it is at

It all comes to a head...

Compare Gemini 17 with Virgo 17., the mutable cousin of the sign of the Twins.

Virgo 17: A volcano in eruption" does suggest blowing one's top, perhaps a hot head, burning ideas that explode, fume and run like molten lava.

Gemini 17 points to a transition from 'health' to 'mentality'. The dynamic seems to be up, rising from a hale and fit body condition to an idea, a mindset, an abundance of mentality.

Sagittarius 17 and Pisces 17 both refer to Easter themes: motifs of eggs, birth & re-birth; spring-like renewal, the second coming.

Emphasis seems very much on the head.

Expect a great deal of dependence upon ideas, views, mentality in general and possibly ideas that blow ordinary social conventions away... like a volcano. There is power and destructiveness possible through the ideation and expression of Gemini 17, but only because there is a like measure of creativity, creative power.

Blain Bovee

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Pisces 8: A girl blowing a bugle
A call to first position...


Getting ready for an event or performance follows standard steps for preparation.

The opposing Virgo symbol "First dance instruction" Virgo 8, points to a situation where all dance students are started at the beginning: first position. The bugle call announces the time to assume first position, or even to ready oneself for first position.

Like a horse race, the call may even be for gathering on the dance floor, or to gather on track for the post parade. After the horses parade before the gathered crowds, they routinely jog off in a last minute warm up before entering the starting gate at post time. ALL 8 degrees go back start at the be ginning

8: First dancing instruction
First position...

All 8th degree symbols involve an odd dynamic. There can be emptiness of hopes and dreams 9the person who has a loving home with no one to share it with), there can be a sense of being out of place or a sense that all that is desired is consistently just beyond one's grasp.

In Virgo 8, the theme seems to be one of having a ton of personal ability and potential. Imagine a natural ability to dance with no training in in personal history, no experience of being shown how to dance. Now imagine that raw talent
coming to a dance studio where everyone is considered to be at the same level, the same beginner position. It may seem frustrating to have to start at the beginning, but that's where you begin... so.

In meditation practise, the mind is trained by ever returning to an awareness of breath. Every breath is , in this sense, the first breath. Even skilled masters of any discipline, must start at the beginning.

The idea, through Virgo 8, is cultivate character refinement through simple mindful discipline.

Fresh start. First position. First step. First thought. Everyone ready.


Mars running wild in Leo suggests dramatic action taken for the sake of it — possibly getting away with murder as only Mars in Leo can. But y’know, with Venus retrograde, the suggestion is that efforts to get the love you need could be productively spent working on more a loving relationship with yourself. Whoa. That’s so…innovative…and deep.

The Sabian Symbol for this New Moon at 22 degrees of Leo is “a carrier pigeon.” Sabian Symbol guru Blaine Bovee notes that this is a bird that can be trained to fly home, usually carrying a message. Note that we do not train pigeons to fly from New York to Nova Scotia, if the birds live on 57th Street in Manhattan. They only fly in one direction: home.

Wherever 22 Leo falls in your horoscope is the area of your life in which you may experience a homing instinct during this lunar cycle. If you have a planet or angle at 22 degrees of Aquarius, Taurus, Scorpio and especially Leo, you are even more affected by the potential a new cycle can bring. Consult your local astrologer for details, or consider ordering an Astro-Basics Report so you can learn what degrees your planets are at. It’s described in the Services & FAQs section of my website.

Lately, Bovee has gotten me thinking about how Sabian Symbols work in pairs. Every degree has an opposing degree. The opposing degree of 22 Leo is 22 Aquarius. The Sabian Symbol for 22 Aquarius is “a rug placed on the floor for children to play”. Bovee notes that the nature of play (Latin ludere) is “to go beyond bounds of normal containment”. Taken together, these two Symbols suggest a polarity between testing one’s limits and being aware of “the relative nature of rules and boundaries; issues of safety and security regarding the home and the world beyond; homing in on what really counts.”

In the last two lunar cycles I noticed a curious synchronicity between the opposing Sabian Symbol of the New Moon and the stories that made headlines. For June, the opposing Symbol was “a flag bearer”. For July, the Symbol was “a women entering a convent,” which Bovee suggests can reflects themes of confinement, including prison. Immediately after July’s New Moon, President Obama visited a prison, highlighting the condition of our penal system. Then Sandra Bland — the woman who allegedly committed suicide after a provocative police officer in Texas tossed her in jail after stopping her for a minor traffic violation— made headlines. In June, one of the major stories of the cycle was the Confederate flag. Coincidence or conspiracy?

SEE ALSO 17 DEGREE SABIANS


21 DEGREES

it is a sobering truth that many with planetary placements in this degree-pair do have some experience with what we might call 'the morning after' syndrome. Imagine going out for a few tasty beverages the night before. One might meet someone and feel a surge of possibilities, excitements and expectations. Then, in the morning after, one is left with a sense of sobering disappointment.

Fact: the whole series of 21st degree symbols concerns finding one's place in the world. In this symbol, projected expectations are weighed against realities. It is not an uncommon human trait to become drunk on hopes and fears. In this symbol, one can easily rise above the indulgent potentials of intoxication and bring expectations to a level that works better with the so-called 'real' world.

Fact: the 'dis' in both Leo and Aquarius 21 can be the action of release, liberation.

To dis-appoint, is to be freed from being selected. The release involves a sense of importance, specialness, perhaps freedom from self-centered self-importance.

To 'dis'-illusion is to be freed from illusions. Not so bad when you think about it.

17 Leo

Mar. 5th, 2023 12:19 pm
A VOLUNTEER CHURCH CHOIR MAKES SOCIAL EVENT OF REHEARSAL[/color]

Are you participating in society? Feeling a little left out on the fringes? Realising that you need to use your voice, or lift up your voice so it can be heard? Are you often giving things away without much reward for yourself? Do you put too low a price on yourself? Perhaps feeling just one of the crowd when you have more to offer than others, or you, realise?Volunteer Church Choir

This Symbol shows the spirit of giving without thought of reward and the gathering together of people who endeavor to bring goodness and light to the community. You probably feel the need to be with those of like mind. Take the opportunity to share in their expressions of spiritual joy and shared faith. Unified voices need to be heard, whether they are taken seriously, or rewarded or doing it for the sense of community their togetherness can bring. Singing and lifting one's voice can entertain and boost people's spirits. Take a chance with others by joining in social activities that bring light and fun to everyone concerned.

Making the most out of life. Feelings of togetherness. Having a cause. Celebrations of spirit. Busking and street singing. Gatherings. Church halls. Volunteers.

The Caution: Trivializing gatherings. Being afraid to lift your voice. Fear of mixing in with others. Standing in the background. Continually doing for others without being paid.


Sabian Symbol: A volunteer church choir is seen during rehearsal, far more interested in social, than musical elements.

Kozminsky Symbol: An architect standing by a desk with the plans of a building before him.


A Lay Persons participation in the Mysteries - Aries Equinox b4 Coronation-MC Leo

Blasey Ford Testimony - MC


GOLDSMITH - Unflagging Persuasiveness; Speaking out for a cause




Leo 17° A nonvested church choir

This is a symbol of the inviolability of experience as dramatized for each individual through his participation in the broader or community functions of life. The common activity of group effort apart from any or all social and spiritual regimentation is a necessary exercise in respect for others, and an encouragement to an ordered self-expression. Here is high appreciation of reality through an enhanced and normal enjoyment of everyday living.

The keyword is COMMUNION.

When positive, the degree is the effective quickening of man’s heart through interests which have been expanded to a point of real concern for his fellows, and when negative, unimaginative striving for undeserved popularity.


Yes, I know, these represent the “vested” ones…..or do they? Sometimes everyone has to cut loose!

Be a star! Then get together with others and become a new constellation such as has never been seen before!

It can be done! Look!

NASA Unveils 21 New Constellations!

Say hello to the Hulk, to Albert Einstein, and to the Tardis. “Developing these unofficial constellations was a fun way to highlight a decade of Fermi’s accomplishments,” said Fermi project scientist Julie McEnery in a NASA news release.

Unofficial—that’s the “non-vested” part of this degree symbol. Non-regimented. From the heart. Not dictated by doctrine or rules. Living out loud, because, well, someone needs to break the routine and do it because it’s the right thing to do. You can and I can. We truly are…

“Here for all the right reasons.” Saijin

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A person of considerable ability, but often
considered odd or peculiar. Cares little about the
world’s opinion, does his own work in his own way.
A careful speculator, good sense of perception.

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