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crimsoncurrent20 Cancer (Western Interpretations)
Relevant Themes for In-Group/Out-Group
Blain Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar – “Venetian gondoliers in a serenade”: Emphasis on collective harmony and emotional unity—gondoliers serenading suggest an inclusive, shared experience. This leans toward strengthening an in-group through bonding, but doesn’t inherently exclude others unless the serenade is private.
Sandbach, Lonsdale – “A young girl feeding swans”: Nurturing a select group (swans) implies care for an in-group, potentially excluding those outside her focus. The swans’ grace could symbolize an elite or favored circle.
Kozminsky – “A man gazing sadly on a city with dark clouds”: Isolation from the collective—sadness suggests exclusion or an outsider’s perspective, watching a threatened in-group (city).
Sepharial, Charubel – “A man on a mountain with staff and crown”: Elevated status implies leadership over an in-group, potentially distancing outsiders. The noble ascent could exclude those not in the inner circle.
Leinbach, Janduz – “A woman milking a cow”: Domestic nurturing sustains a close-knit group (family or community), but doesn’t overtly exclude—focus is inward, not divisive.
Muir – “A woman at a gate watching sheep”: Protective duty over a flock suggests a defined in-group, with the gate as a boundary against outsiders.
Carelli – “A hand grasping a staff”: Power and leadership could enforce in-group loyalty, risking exclusion of those who don’t submit.
Weber (inferred) – “A ship in a storm”: Crew unity against external chaos—strong in-group cohesion under pressure.
Cochrane – “A person on a cliff watching the ocean”: Solitude suggests an outsider stance, detached from group dynamics.
Matthews – “A man on a peak above storm clouds”: Elevation above others hints at exclusivity—leading an in-group, apart from the masses.
Synthesis for 20 Cancer
In-Group: Strong—serenades (Bovee, Rudhyar), nurturing (Sandbach, Leinbach), and leadership (Sepharial, Charubel) foster emotional bonds and unity within a group. The flock (Muir) and ship (Weber) reinforce this.
Out-Group: Present but subtle—Kozminsky’s sadness, Cochrane’s solitude, and Matthews’ elevation suggest an outsider’s perspective or exclusion of those not in the circle. Carelli’s dominance could widen the divide.
Cancerian Lens: Cancer’s emotional, protective nature leans toward in-group cohesion—nurturing “us” (family, community) over “them,” with some hints of isolation or elitism.
20 Taurus (Western Interpretations)
Relevant Themes for In-Group/Out-Group
Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar – “Wisps of clouds, like wings”: Fluid adaptability within stability—no strong group boundary, but a serene inclusivity. Less about division, more about shared ease.
Sandbach, Lonsdale – “A fork in the road with a blank signpost”: Choice implies potential division—choosing one path may exclude others. Mundanely, it could split a group into “us” and “them.”
Kozminsky – “A flight of white eagles”: Noble unity among the “eagles”—an elite in-group soaring above others, suggesting exclusivity.
Sepharial, Matthews – “A man swimming in a river”: Solo struggle against opposition—no clear group, but resistance could symbolize battling an out-group.
Charubel – “A beautiful white swan”: Refined solitude or an elite symbol—graceful but potentially aloof, distancing from the common.
Leinbach, Janduz – “A woman airing a blanket”: Domestic focus sustains an in-group (household), but doesn’t exclude—practical, not divisive.
Muir – “A woman holding a dove by a window”: Peaceful care for a select entity (dove)—gentle in-group focus, with the window as a soft boundary.
Carelli – “A man with a whip and reins”: Domineering power enforces in-group loyalty, explicitly excluding or subjugating outsiders.
Weber (inferred) – “A ship in a storm”: Crew unity against external forces—strong in-group cohesion, defining “us” versus “them.”
Cochrane – “A person on a cliff watching the ocean”: Detached observation—outside group dynamics, neither in nor out.
Bardon (inferred): Earthy intuition—stable but not inherently group-focused.
Synthesis for 20 Taurus
In-Group: Moderate—Kozminsky’s eagles, Carelli’s dominance, and Weber’s ship suggest a defined “us,” rooted in stability or power. Leinbach and Janduz’s domesticity imply a smaller, practical in-group.
Out-Group: Stronger—Sandbach/Lonsdale’s fork hints at division, Carelli’s whip enforces exclusion, and Kozminsky’s eagles elevate above others. Charubel’s swan adds an aloof elitism.
Taurean Lens: Taurus’ earthy, possessive nature leans toward securing “ours” (resources, comfort) and distinguishing from “theirs,” with less emotional bonding than Cancer.
Vedic Astrology Comparison
20 Cancer Sidereal (19°00’ to 19°59’ Cancer)
Nakshatra: Ashlesha (16°40’ to 29°59’ Cancer), second pada (Virgo navamsa).
Interpretation: Coiled snake—cunning and protective. Ashlesha’s tribal, clannish energy strongly favors the in-group (family, allies) with suspicion toward outsiders, often manipulative to maintain control.
In-Group/Out-Group: Heavy emphasis on “us” versus “them”—loyalty within, wariness without.
20 Taurus Sidereal (19°00’ to 19°59’ Taurus)
Nakshatra: Rohini (10°00’ to 23°20’ Taurus), fourth pada (Leo navamsa).
Interpretation: Fertile chariot—creative and sensual. Rohini focuses on growth and beauty within a stable circle, less about exclusion, more about cultivating “ours” with pride.
In-Group/Out-Group: In-group focus on prosperity, but less overtly divisive—open to allies who share the bounty.
Analysis: Which Degree Ties More to In-Group/Out-Group Issues?
Western Perspective
20 Cancer:
Strengths: Emotional unity (serenade, swans, cow) and leadership (staff, crown) create a strong in-group identity. Protective imagery (Muir’s gate, Weber’s ship) reinforces “us.”
Weaknesses: Out-group themes are subtler—Kozminsky’s sadness and Cochrane’s solitude suggest exclusion, but it’s less explicit than dominance or division.
Fit: Cancer’s lunar, tribal nature naturally fosters in-group bonding, with some outsider tension (Carelli’s power, Matthews’ peak).
20 Taurus:
Strengths: Division emerges in Sandbach/Lonsdale’s fork (choice splits), Carelli’s whip (enforces “us” over “them”), and Kozminsky’s eagles (elite above others). Weber’s ship adds in-group resilience against external “others.”
Weaknesses: Softer symbols (clouds, swan, blanket) focus on stability, not exclusion—less emotional tribalism.
Fit: Taurus’ Venusian possessiveness defines “ours” (resources, status) more starkly against “theirs,” amplifying out-group distinction.
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Vedic Perspective
20 Cancer (Ashlesha): Intense in-group loyalty—serpentine protection of the clan, with cunning exclusion of outsiders. Stronger tribal divide.
20 Taurus (Rohini): In-group prosperity—creative stability within a circle, less focused on excluding others unless they threaten the bounty.
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Conclusion
Western: 20 Taurus edges out as more tied to in-group/out-group issues. Carelli’s domineering whip, Sandbach/Lonsdale’s divisive fork, and Kozminsky’s elite eagles explicitly suggest exclusion or splitting, while 20 Cancer leans toward inclusive nurturing (serenade, swans) with subtler outsider hints (solitude, sadness). Taurus’ material focus sharpens the “us vs. them” line.
Vedic: 20 Cancer (Ashlesha) dominates—its clannish, protective snake outstrips Rohini’s gentler in-group growth in tribal intensity.
Overall: If prioritizing Western degree theory, 20 Taurus aligns more with in-group/out-group dynamics due to its explicit division and dominance themes. If factoring Vedic, 20 Cancer takes the lead with Ashlesha’s fierce tribalism. Given your focus on Western astrologers, 20 Taurus is the stronger match.
Relevant Themes for In-Group/Out-Group
Blain Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar – “Venetian gondoliers in a serenade”: Emphasis on collective harmony and emotional unity—gondoliers serenading suggest an inclusive, shared experience. This leans toward strengthening an in-group through bonding, but doesn’t inherently exclude others unless the serenade is private.
Sandbach, Lonsdale – “A young girl feeding swans”: Nurturing a select group (swans) implies care for an in-group, potentially excluding those outside her focus. The swans’ grace could symbolize an elite or favored circle.
Kozminsky – “A man gazing sadly on a city with dark clouds”: Isolation from the collective—sadness suggests exclusion or an outsider’s perspective, watching a threatened in-group (city).
Sepharial, Charubel – “A man on a mountain with staff and crown”: Elevated status implies leadership over an in-group, potentially distancing outsiders. The noble ascent could exclude those not in the inner circle.
Leinbach, Janduz – “A woman milking a cow”: Domestic nurturing sustains a close-knit group (family or community), but doesn’t overtly exclude—focus is inward, not divisive.
Muir – “A woman at a gate watching sheep”: Protective duty over a flock suggests a defined in-group, with the gate as a boundary against outsiders.
Carelli – “A hand grasping a staff”: Power and leadership could enforce in-group loyalty, risking exclusion of those who don’t submit.
Weber (inferred) – “A ship in a storm”: Crew unity against external chaos—strong in-group cohesion under pressure.
Cochrane – “A person on a cliff watching the ocean”: Solitude suggests an outsider stance, detached from group dynamics.
Matthews – “A man on a peak above storm clouds”: Elevation above others hints at exclusivity—leading an in-group, apart from the masses.
Synthesis for 20 Cancer
In-Group: Strong—serenades (Bovee, Rudhyar), nurturing (Sandbach, Leinbach), and leadership (Sepharial, Charubel) foster emotional bonds and unity within a group. The flock (Muir) and ship (Weber) reinforce this.
Out-Group: Present but subtle—Kozminsky’s sadness, Cochrane’s solitude, and Matthews’ elevation suggest an outsider’s perspective or exclusion of those not in the circle. Carelli’s dominance could widen the divide.
Cancerian Lens: Cancer’s emotional, protective nature leans toward in-group cohesion—nurturing “us” (family, community) over “them,” with some hints of isolation or elitism.
20 Taurus (Western Interpretations)
Relevant Themes for In-Group/Out-Group
Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar – “Wisps of clouds, like wings”: Fluid adaptability within stability—no strong group boundary, but a serene inclusivity. Less about division, more about shared ease.
Sandbach, Lonsdale – “A fork in the road with a blank signpost”: Choice implies potential division—choosing one path may exclude others. Mundanely, it could split a group into “us” and “them.”
Kozminsky – “A flight of white eagles”: Noble unity among the “eagles”—an elite in-group soaring above others, suggesting exclusivity.
Sepharial, Matthews – “A man swimming in a river”: Solo struggle against opposition—no clear group, but resistance could symbolize battling an out-group.
Charubel – “A beautiful white swan”: Refined solitude or an elite symbol—graceful but potentially aloof, distancing from the common.
Leinbach, Janduz – “A woman airing a blanket”: Domestic focus sustains an in-group (household), but doesn’t exclude—practical, not divisive.
Muir – “A woman holding a dove by a window”: Peaceful care for a select entity (dove)—gentle in-group focus, with the window as a soft boundary.
Carelli – “A man with a whip and reins”: Domineering power enforces in-group loyalty, explicitly excluding or subjugating outsiders.
Weber (inferred) – “A ship in a storm”: Crew unity against external forces—strong in-group cohesion, defining “us” versus “them.”
Cochrane – “A person on a cliff watching the ocean”: Detached observation—outside group dynamics, neither in nor out.
Bardon (inferred): Earthy intuition—stable but not inherently group-focused.
Synthesis for 20 Taurus
In-Group: Moderate—Kozminsky’s eagles, Carelli’s dominance, and Weber’s ship suggest a defined “us,” rooted in stability or power. Leinbach and Janduz’s domesticity imply a smaller, practical in-group.
Out-Group: Stronger—Sandbach/Lonsdale’s fork hints at division, Carelli’s whip enforces exclusion, and Kozminsky’s eagles elevate above others. Charubel’s swan adds an aloof elitism.
Taurean Lens: Taurus’ earthy, possessive nature leans toward securing “ours” (resources, comfort) and distinguishing from “theirs,” with less emotional bonding than Cancer.
Vedic Astrology Comparison
20 Cancer Sidereal (19°00’ to 19°59’ Cancer)
Nakshatra: Ashlesha (16°40’ to 29°59’ Cancer), second pada (Virgo navamsa).
Interpretation: Coiled snake—cunning and protective. Ashlesha’s tribal, clannish energy strongly favors the in-group (family, allies) with suspicion toward outsiders, often manipulative to maintain control.
In-Group/Out-Group: Heavy emphasis on “us” versus “them”—loyalty within, wariness without.
20 Taurus Sidereal (19°00’ to 19°59’ Taurus)
Nakshatra: Rohini (10°00’ to 23°20’ Taurus), fourth pada (Leo navamsa).
Interpretation: Fertile chariot—creative and sensual. Rohini focuses on growth and beauty within a stable circle, less about exclusion, more about cultivating “ours” with pride.
In-Group/Out-Group: In-group focus on prosperity, but less overtly divisive—open to allies who share the bounty.
Analysis: Which Degree Ties More to In-Group/Out-Group Issues?
Western Perspective
20 Cancer:
Strengths: Emotional unity (serenade, swans, cow) and leadership (staff, crown) create a strong in-group identity. Protective imagery (Muir’s gate, Weber’s ship) reinforces “us.”
Weaknesses: Out-group themes are subtler—Kozminsky’s sadness and Cochrane’s solitude suggest exclusion, but it’s less explicit than dominance or division.
Fit: Cancer’s lunar, tribal nature naturally fosters in-group bonding, with some outsider tension (Carelli’s power, Matthews’ peak).
20 Taurus:
Strengths: Division emerges in Sandbach/Lonsdale’s fork (choice splits), Carelli’s whip (enforces “us” over “them”), and Kozminsky’s eagles (elite above others). Weber’s ship adds in-group resilience against external “others.”
Weaknesses: Softer symbols (clouds, swan, blanket) focus on stability, not exclusion—less emotional tribalism.
Fit: Taurus’ Venusian possessiveness defines “ours” (resources, status) more starkly against “theirs,” amplifying out-group distinction.
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Vedic Perspective
20 Cancer (Ashlesha): Intense in-group loyalty—serpentine protection of the clan, with cunning exclusion of outsiders. Stronger tribal divide.
20 Taurus (Rohini): In-group prosperity—creative stability within a circle, less focused on excluding others unless they threaten the bounty.
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Conclusion
Western: 20 Taurus edges out as more tied to in-group/out-group issues. Carelli’s domineering whip, Sandbach/Lonsdale’s divisive fork, and Kozminsky’s elite eagles explicitly suggest exclusion or splitting, while 20 Cancer leans toward inclusive nurturing (serenade, swans) with subtler outsider hints (solitude, sadness). Taurus’ material focus sharpens the “us vs. them” line.
Vedic: 20 Cancer (Ashlesha) dominates—its clannish, protective snake outstrips Rohini’s gentler in-group growth in tribal intensity.
Overall: If prioritizing Western degree theory, 20 Taurus aligns more with in-group/out-group dynamics due to its explicit division and dominance themes. If factoring Vedic, 20 Cancer takes the lead with Ashlesha’s fierce tribalism. Given your focus on Western astrologers, 20 Taurus is the stronger match.