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Commonalities
Focus on Perception and Insight:
Multiple interpretations (Chandra, Sabian, Weber) emphasize heightened perception or sensitivity, whether through eyeglasses revealing rainbows, a ouija board accessing the unconscious, or a refined intellectual approach to life. This suggests a theme of expanded awareness or intuitive understanding.
Service or Influence on Others:
Several interpretations (Kozminsky, Janduz, Muir) highlight a role of serving or impacting others, such as supporting fellow humans, founding centers for youth, or devoting life to a cause. This indicates a potential for altruistic or community-oriented action.
Practical or Technical Skill:
Bardon’s Tigrapho and Weber’s technical orientation point to skills in architecture, engineering, or invention, while Carelli and Leinbach suggest practical schemes or mental acuity applied to real-world outcomes.
Potential for Success or Comfort:Carelli, Leinbach, and Janduz describe a path to prosperity, comfort, or a peaceful old age, often through steady ambition or leveraging others’ efforts, though this is contingent on favorable conditions.
Risk of Misjudgment or Collapse:Carelli and Leinbach warn of potential downfall due to skepticism, self-indulgence, or external disruptions, suggesting a vulnerability when plans fail or adaptability is lacking.
Connection to Human Nature:Henson, Leinbach, and Charubel note an ability to pander to public tastes or exploit human weaknesses, indicating a keen understanding of social dynamics, whether for profit or influence.
Differences
Approach to Work and Ambition:
Carelli and Leinbach: Portray a lazy, self-indulgent individual who prefers others to work while enjoying personal comfort and luxury, with ambition driven by self-interest.
Muir and Kozminsky: Emphasize self-sacrifice and service to others, contrasting with the self-centeredness of Carelli and Leinbach.
Bardon: Focuses on a masterly, inspirational role in architecture, suggesting active contribution rather than delegation.
Symbolic Tools or Imagery:Sabian: Uses the ouija board as a symbol of passive psychic sensitivity.
Chandra: Employs eyeglasses revealing rainbows, symbolizing broad, inclusive perception.
Carelli (Cancer): Introduces spinning and weaving tools, symbolizing patient craftsmanship.
Janduz: Features an old man and children under a tree, evoking nurturing and legacy.
Moral or Ethical Outlook:Charubel and Henson: Suggest pandering to public taste or profit, with potential for disloyalty or superficiality, indicating a less honorable bent.
Janduz and Kozminsky: Highlight generosity and protection, portraying a more benevolent character.
Weber: Advocates sharing gifts and environmental care, reflecting a socially responsible stance.
Outcome and Stability:Carelli: Predicts a peaceful old age unless disrupted by storms, with a focus on leisure post-success.
Henson: Warns of possible death by judicial decree or reliance on others, suggesting instability.
Janduz: Promises longevity and happiness despite misunderstanding, with a focus on family or youth.
Specific Skills or Professions:Bardon: Specializes in architecture and engineering.
Carelli (Cancer): Suggests legal or detective work due to juridical sense.
Henson: Favors acting or writing, with a racial or gliding motif.
Weber: Highlights invention and technical innovation.
Emotional or Social Dynamics:Chandra: Emphasizes optimism and interpersonal harmony through diverse perspectives.
Charubel: Notes a lack of trust in friends and eventual public backlash.
Kozminsky: Depicts a life of service with inherent protection, despite hardships.
SynthesisCommon Thread: The interpretations of Virgo 18° (and related Mars placements) converge on themes of perception, practical application, and influence over others, with a potential for success tempered by risks of self-indulgence or external disruption. The degree seems to balance intellectual or intuitive gifts with a need to navigate social or personal challenges.Key Differences: The interpretations diverge in their ethical framing (selfish vs. altruistic), symbolic representations (tools like ouija boards vs. eyeglasses vs. trees), and predicted outcomes (comfort vs. service vs. collapse), reflecting varied cultural or astrological perspectives on the same degree. These differences suggest flexibility in how the energy of Virgo 18° can manifest, depending on the individual chart and context.If you'd like a visual chart or deeper analysis, let me know!
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- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Carelli
17-18 deg Virgo
An idle fellow who, fondles his ideas and knows very well how to have others work hard to carry them out. If he could have his own way, he would employ crews of slaves ready at his beck and call. He is not unwilling to work himself, but only when it cannot be dispensed with. Work for work’s sake is nonsense to him, Any activity by himself or others must, according to him, be foreordained to future welfare. Once his own comfort is assured, there will be room for the comfort of others, if both can co-exist; but once that aim is reached, there is no reason to take further trouble. There is, in one word, the estate holder’s mentality. Ambition is furthered steadily but not in such a way as to disturb one’s comfort., ranking high among which are the delights of a good table.
A great stroke of luck might hasten the day the native’s fortune is established. in a way after his own heart. From then on, barring pointers to the contrary, he lives on his income, journeying for his pleasure or for health (which leaves much to be desired, and he hates moving on his own legs), or tarrying in learned leisure, musing idly, leading the household punctiliously and closely watching the kitchen. A peaceful old age, if the stars do not point otherwise, will close his career.
The rest of the chart is not to be lost sight of. There might be unforeseen trouble lurking somewhere or unexpected blows of a hurricane sweeping everything away and dashing to pieces the carefully planned prosperity, leaving the native dispossessed and dazed.
After all, he is a skeptic, and harbors no ideals beyond, and above his empiric self. Should the storm overthrow his well prearranged plans, his self-indulgence will prevent him from beginning all over again, and he may collapse together with his castle of cards never to rise again, even losing his mental balance in his distress.
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- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Bardon
192: Tigrapho (18° Virgo) - is a master of architecture and the art of structural engineering. From the beginning of mankind he has instructed man how he should dwell. Tigrapho is regarded the protector of all builders and architects on earth and assists them by inspirations in their design-work, no matter whether they are designing highways, river basins, water works or anything of that sort. If the magician is in this profession, Tigrapho may help him a great deal by intuition.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Chandra
VIRGO 18 Eyeglasses which cause one to see rainbows. Seeing through the eyes of anybody, everybody, all worlds together, all worlds differentiated sharply, you are able to switch perspective from the personal vantage point to any conceivable other. Drawn to extend the range of perception and the worldview to encompass what it looks like from the inside of each and every one. Clairvoyant, telepathic, and mythically potent with the power of story. Keenly guided to unfold consciousness into its evolutionary potential. You are thoroughly convinced that if all sides can be respected, honored, and lived into, interpersonal dynamics will naturally work out optimally. And you feel ultimately transported by an affirmative life-giving perspective to open doors and make this world a brighter place, with simple, straightforward brush strokes of cosmic common sense.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Charubel
An angle of 45 degrees. Denotes a person possessed of good abilities; one scientifically inclined. Ever seeking public favors by pandering to the popular taste and supporting what are the views of the moment. He is, nevertheless, one who will eventually suffer from the public. This person thinks but slightingly of his best friends, nor will he confide in them.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Henson
17-18 deg Virgo
Sometimes a race complex or one who depends on the blacks for patronage or profit; degree of gliding or flowing; Jupiter here extremely afflicted; death by judicial decree; favorable for an actor or a writer but not usually so upright as the previous degree; may denote one who panders profitably to the public taste by supporting views of moment; gliders; serrate groove.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Janduz
17 Virgo "An old man happily watches children play cheerfully under a beautiful tree." Lenient, generous, and sensitive character. One protects and devotes oneself to the family members, but one also cares for other people's needs. In some cases, one suffers the loss of a child. One's major goal is to found and run a centre dedicated to children and youths in distress, even though financial resources are not sufficient, or despite the disapproval expressed by the spouse or the other family members. Success can be achieved in the civil service, in an administrative position in the military or in the police. This degree heralds longevity and happiness, in spite of the fact that one is not really understood by the entourage. If in the natal chart, Venus is in Taurus and forms a trine with this degree, it indicates talents for artwork, especially painting and pottery.
16 yr olds Given Right to Vote - Mars
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Kozminsky
17-18 deg Virgo
Symbol: A man, supporting a little girl, swimming toward, the shore in a rough sea.
Denotes one whose mission it is to serve his fellow-men. He will perform acts which will win him approval and honor. Life will not be always smooth with him, and he will have his part of sorrow and pain in this world of matter; but ever near him are the protecting forces, and he cannot fail, no matter how fierce the waves. It is a symbol of Serving. Starmer??
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Leinbach
17-18 deg of Virgo
The most obvious characteristic here is a desire to be waited on. Usually the native is in a position to command such service. If not he will idealize such a position. He will not shun work when necessary. Neither will he seek out something to occupy his time. He is a master at using slave labor and accumulating wealth thereby. He is a penny pincher very suspicious and thrifty except for the extravagance of his personal tastes. He is keenly aware of public superstitions and weaknesses which can be used for cool profit. Most of his money is acquired by means of mental schemes which pander to inconsistencies on the part of those he seeks to influence. He would make a good con man. This degree has many forms of expression and although the most obvious has been pointed out first there is much evidence of other more honorable abilities. The insight into human nature can be put to good use in the acting fields or used to further an ability to write or any of the more humanitarian areas requiring a knowledge of human nature. Combined with altruistic factors this degree might prevent a more naive being from being a “soft touch.” He is likely to enjoy luxurious old age and may be surrounded with friends if he has used his abilities in this direction. If not, he may end up lonely, surrounded by his accumulated wealth, but trustful of everyone and everything.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Muir
17-18 deg Virgo
Thoughtful, practical self-sacrificing. One capable of devoting his life to a cause away from the busy marts of men.
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- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Sabian
PHASE 168 (VIRGO 18°): A OUIJA BOARD.
KEYNOTE: The ability to contact deeper recesses of the unconscious psyche and sensitiveness to psychic intimations and omens.
The ouija board is to be considered here a modern device similar to many ancient instruments used for divination and prophecy. Certain states of threshold consciousness are stimulated by such a use, and what the experience produces may vary greatly in quality and in origin. The release of unconscious material has lost the explosive force pictorialized in the preceding symbol, yet at this stage there is still no conscious and willful control over what reaches the ego-consciousness.
This is the third stage of the thirty-fourth sequence of symbolic phases in the life process. It is at best a stage of transition which stresses a passive openness to the unknown. The glamour of it may subtly pervert the mind of the aspirant; but in some cases, this can be the first manifestation of INNER GUIDANCE . The difficulty is to correctly evaluate what or who does the guiding.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Weber
17-18 deg Virgo
Humanitarian Aquarius creates a civilized, intellectually refined Virgo, sensitive and practical, technically oriented, good for new ideas, invention and repair - an “answer person” and creator of new products or methods of doing the simplest tasks. Such a fortunate degree must not lose sight of the necessity of sharing its gifts, and be certain to protect the environment which supports us all. Romantically dry and “pure”, much appreciated for ability to be truthful, clever and not overly emotional.
- Jupiter 08°31' Cancer - Carelli
8-9 deg Cancer
Symbol: Spinning and waving tools; spindle and loom
A hard working, patient, thrifty being, who will be only too modest and will that trifle of individual aggressiveness necessary for self-assertion. He will not be kept back by cowardice, but rather by a shy reserve, by an inborn, humble goodness making him put up with an obscure life in which he feels happy. It may take him long to make up his mind as to his own road, but once at it he will draw on all his resources in order to carry his work out to perfection, even in inconspicuous things, and will meet with real success in his own field.
As with all shy people of this kind, he is apt to develop a great eloquence once he has conquered his inhibitions and will then move and stir his listeners all the more, finally overcoming the pent up feeling which made him tongue-tied. As he has an eminent juridical and social sense, he may make a good lawyer and a good political speaker, but will not become a king of the bar or a party leader, as he has not that minimum of charlatanism and intellectual exhibitionism needed. A less noble horoscope might lead the native into a police career, but his natural goodness will make him prefer the offices of the C.I.A. or a detective’s profession, to the direct guardianship of public order.
Focus on Perception and Insight:
Multiple interpretations (Chandra, Sabian, Weber) emphasize heightened perception or sensitivity, whether through eyeglasses revealing rainbows, a ouija board accessing the unconscious, or a refined intellectual approach to life. This suggests a theme of expanded awareness or intuitive understanding.
Service or Influence on Others:
Several interpretations (Kozminsky, Janduz, Muir) highlight a role of serving or impacting others, such as supporting fellow humans, founding centers for youth, or devoting life to a cause. This indicates a potential for altruistic or community-oriented action.
Practical or Technical Skill:
Bardon’s Tigrapho and Weber’s technical orientation point to skills in architecture, engineering, or invention, while Carelli and Leinbach suggest practical schemes or mental acuity applied to real-world outcomes.
Potential for Success or Comfort:Carelli, Leinbach, and Janduz describe a path to prosperity, comfort, or a peaceful old age, often through steady ambition or leveraging others’ efforts, though this is contingent on favorable conditions.
Risk of Misjudgment or Collapse:Carelli and Leinbach warn of potential downfall due to skepticism, self-indulgence, or external disruptions, suggesting a vulnerability when plans fail or adaptability is lacking.
Connection to Human Nature:Henson, Leinbach, and Charubel note an ability to pander to public tastes or exploit human weaknesses, indicating a keen understanding of social dynamics, whether for profit or influence.
Differences
Approach to Work and Ambition:
Carelli and Leinbach: Portray a lazy, self-indulgent individual who prefers others to work while enjoying personal comfort and luxury, with ambition driven by self-interest.
Muir and Kozminsky: Emphasize self-sacrifice and service to others, contrasting with the self-centeredness of Carelli and Leinbach.
Bardon: Focuses on a masterly, inspirational role in architecture, suggesting active contribution rather than delegation.
Symbolic Tools or Imagery:Sabian: Uses the ouija board as a symbol of passive psychic sensitivity.
Chandra: Employs eyeglasses revealing rainbows, symbolizing broad, inclusive perception.
Carelli (Cancer): Introduces spinning and weaving tools, symbolizing patient craftsmanship.
Janduz: Features an old man and children under a tree, evoking nurturing and legacy.
Moral or Ethical Outlook:Charubel and Henson: Suggest pandering to public taste or profit, with potential for disloyalty or superficiality, indicating a less honorable bent.
Janduz and Kozminsky: Highlight generosity and protection, portraying a more benevolent character.
Weber: Advocates sharing gifts and environmental care, reflecting a socially responsible stance.
Outcome and Stability:Carelli: Predicts a peaceful old age unless disrupted by storms, with a focus on leisure post-success.
Henson: Warns of possible death by judicial decree or reliance on others, suggesting instability.
Janduz: Promises longevity and happiness despite misunderstanding, with a focus on family or youth.
Specific Skills or Professions:Bardon: Specializes in architecture and engineering.
Carelli (Cancer): Suggests legal or detective work due to juridical sense.
Henson: Favors acting or writing, with a racial or gliding motif.
Weber: Highlights invention and technical innovation.
Emotional or Social Dynamics:Chandra: Emphasizes optimism and interpersonal harmony through diverse perspectives.
Charubel: Notes a lack of trust in friends and eventual public backlash.
Kozminsky: Depicts a life of service with inherent protection, despite hardships.
SynthesisCommon Thread: The interpretations of Virgo 18° (and related Mars placements) converge on themes of perception, practical application, and influence over others, with a potential for success tempered by risks of self-indulgence or external disruption. The degree seems to balance intellectual or intuitive gifts with a need to navigate social or personal challenges.Key Differences: The interpretations diverge in their ethical framing (selfish vs. altruistic), symbolic representations (tools like ouija boards vs. eyeglasses vs. trees), and predicted outcomes (comfort vs. service vs. collapse), reflecting varied cultural or astrological perspectives on the same degree. These differences suggest flexibility in how the energy of Virgo 18° can manifest, depending on the individual chart and context.If you'd like a visual chart or deeper analysis, let me know!
========================================================================================
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Carelli
17-18 deg Virgo
An idle fellow who, fondles his ideas and knows very well how to have others work hard to carry them out. If he could have his own way, he would employ crews of slaves ready at his beck and call. He is not unwilling to work himself, but only when it cannot be dispensed with. Work for work’s sake is nonsense to him, Any activity by himself or others must, according to him, be foreordained to future welfare. Once his own comfort is assured, there will be room for the comfort of others, if both can co-exist; but once that aim is reached, there is no reason to take further trouble. There is, in one word, the estate holder’s mentality. Ambition is furthered steadily but not in such a way as to disturb one’s comfort., ranking high among which are the delights of a good table.
A great stroke of luck might hasten the day the native’s fortune is established. in a way after his own heart. From then on, barring pointers to the contrary, he lives on his income, journeying for his pleasure or for health (which leaves much to be desired, and he hates moving on his own legs), or tarrying in learned leisure, musing idly, leading the household punctiliously and closely watching the kitchen. A peaceful old age, if the stars do not point otherwise, will close his career.
The rest of the chart is not to be lost sight of. There might be unforeseen trouble lurking somewhere or unexpected blows of a hurricane sweeping everything away and dashing to pieces the carefully planned prosperity, leaving the native dispossessed and dazed.
After all, he is a skeptic, and harbors no ideals beyond, and above his empiric self. Should the storm overthrow his well prearranged plans, his self-indulgence will prevent him from beginning all over again, and he may collapse together with his castle of cards never to rise again, even losing his mental balance in his distress.
118
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Bardon
192: Tigrapho (18° Virgo) - is a master of architecture and the art of structural engineering. From the beginning of mankind he has instructed man how he should dwell. Tigrapho is regarded the protector of all builders and architects on earth and assists them by inspirations in their design-work, no matter whether they are designing highways, river basins, water works or anything of that sort. If the magician is in this profession, Tigrapho may help him a great deal by intuition.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Chandra
VIRGO 18 Eyeglasses which cause one to see rainbows. Seeing through the eyes of anybody, everybody, all worlds together, all worlds differentiated sharply, you are able to switch perspective from the personal vantage point to any conceivable other. Drawn to extend the range of perception and the worldview to encompass what it looks like from the inside of each and every one. Clairvoyant, telepathic, and mythically potent with the power of story. Keenly guided to unfold consciousness into its evolutionary potential. You are thoroughly convinced that if all sides can be respected, honored, and lived into, interpersonal dynamics will naturally work out optimally. And you feel ultimately transported by an affirmative life-giving perspective to open doors and make this world a brighter place, with simple, straightforward brush strokes of cosmic common sense.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Charubel
An angle of 45 degrees. Denotes a person possessed of good abilities; one scientifically inclined. Ever seeking public favors by pandering to the popular taste and supporting what are the views of the moment. He is, nevertheless, one who will eventually suffer from the public. This person thinks but slightingly of his best friends, nor will he confide in them.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Henson
17-18 deg Virgo
Sometimes a race complex or one who depends on the blacks for patronage or profit; degree of gliding or flowing; Jupiter here extremely afflicted; death by judicial decree; favorable for an actor or a writer but not usually so upright as the previous degree; may denote one who panders profitably to the public taste by supporting views of moment; gliders; serrate groove.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Janduz
17 Virgo "An old man happily watches children play cheerfully under a beautiful tree." Lenient, generous, and sensitive character. One protects and devotes oneself to the family members, but one also cares for other people's needs. In some cases, one suffers the loss of a child. One's major goal is to found and run a centre dedicated to children and youths in distress, even though financial resources are not sufficient, or despite the disapproval expressed by the spouse or the other family members. Success can be achieved in the civil service, in an administrative position in the military or in the police. This degree heralds longevity and happiness, in spite of the fact that one is not really understood by the entourage. If in the natal chart, Venus is in Taurus and forms a trine with this degree, it indicates talents for artwork, especially painting and pottery.
16 yr olds Given Right to Vote - Mars
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Kozminsky
17-18 deg Virgo
Symbol: A man, supporting a little girl, swimming toward, the shore in a rough sea.
Denotes one whose mission it is to serve his fellow-men. He will perform acts which will win him approval and honor. Life will not be always smooth with him, and he will have his part of sorrow and pain in this world of matter; but ever near him are the protecting forces, and he cannot fail, no matter how fierce the waves. It is a symbol of Serving. Starmer??
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Leinbach
17-18 deg of Virgo
The most obvious characteristic here is a desire to be waited on. Usually the native is in a position to command such service. If not he will idealize such a position. He will not shun work when necessary. Neither will he seek out something to occupy his time. He is a master at using slave labor and accumulating wealth thereby. He is a penny pincher very suspicious and thrifty except for the extravagance of his personal tastes. He is keenly aware of public superstitions and weaknesses which can be used for cool profit. Most of his money is acquired by means of mental schemes which pander to inconsistencies on the part of those he seeks to influence. He would make a good con man. This degree has many forms of expression and although the most obvious has been pointed out first there is much evidence of other more honorable abilities. The insight into human nature can be put to good use in the acting fields or used to further an ability to write or any of the more humanitarian areas requiring a knowledge of human nature. Combined with altruistic factors this degree might prevent a more naive being from being a “soft touch.” He is likely to enjoy luxurious old age and may be surrounded with friends if he has used his abilities in this direction. If not, he may end up lonely, surrounded by his accumulated wealth, but trustful of everyone and everything.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Muir
17-18 deg Virgo
Thoughtful, practical self-sacrificing. One capable of devoting his life to a cause away from the busy marts of men.
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- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Sabian
PHASE 168 (VIRGO 18°): A OUIJA BOARD.
KEYNOTE: The ability to contact deeper recesses of the unconscious psyche and sensitiveness to psychic intimations and omens.
The ouija board is to be considered here a modern device similar to many ancient instruments used for divination and prophecy. Certain states of threshold consciousness are stimulated by such a use, and what the experience produces may vary greatly in quality and in origin. The release of unconscious material has lost the explosive force pictorialized in the preceding symbol, yet at this stage there is still no conscious and willful control over what reaches the ego-consciousness.
This is the third stage of the thirty-fourth sequence of symbolic phases in the life process. It is at best a stage of transition which stresses a passive openness to the unknown. The glamour of it may subtly pervert the mind of the aspirant; but in some cases, this can be the first manifestation of INNER GUIDANCE . The difficulty is to correctly evaluate what or who does the guiding.
- Mars 17°25' Virgo - Weber
17-18 deg Virgo
Humanitarian Aquarius creates a civilized, intellectually refined Virgo, sensitive and practical, technically oriented, good for new ideas, invention and repair - an “answer person” and creator of new products or methods of doing the simplest tasks. Such a fortunate degree must not lose sight of the necessity of sharing its gifts, and be certain to protect the environment which supports us all. Romantically dry and “pure”, much appreciated for ability to be truthful, clever and not overly emotional.
- Jupiter 08°31' Cancer - Carelli
8-9 deg Cancer
Symbol: Spinning and waving tools; spindle and loom
A hard working, patient, thrifty being, who will be only too modest and will that trifle of individual aggressiveness necessary for self-assertion. He will not be kept back by cowardice, but rather by a shy reserve, by an inborn, humble goodness making him put up with an obscure life in which he feels happy. It may take him long to make up his mind as to his own road, but once at it he will draw on all his resources in order to carry his work out to perfection, even in inconspicuous things, and will meet with real success in his own field.
As with all shy people of this kind, he is apt to develop a great eloquence once he has conquered his inhibitions and will then move and stir his listeners all the more, finally overcoming the pent up feeling which made him tongue-tied. As he has an eminent juridical and social sense, he may make a good lawyer and a good political speaker, but will not become a king of the bar or a party leader, as he has not that minimum of charlatanism and intellectual exhibitionism needed. A less noble horoscope might lead the native into a police career, but his natural goodness will make him prefer the offices of the C.I.A. or a detective’s profession, to the direct guardianship of public order.
