Peregrine and Planetary hours
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crimsoncurrentIt's more common than not for a planet to be peregrine, so no need to be alarmed! In interpreting peregrine planets, the condition of their ruler (by sign, house, and aspect) is also important, and seeing the aspect they make to their ruler, if any. (An aspect to their ruler is a condition known as 'reception', and improves the condition of a peregrine planet (or one in their fall or detriment). So your husband's Scorpio planets, for example, would all be received by a very strong Mars, who is thought to help them out, as if they are guests in his home!)
To find the ruler of the hour, you first need to find the length of the day (and night) in the place he was born on that day. Divide that into 12 equal hours during the day, and 12 more equal hours during the night.
The ruler of the day rules the first hour after sunrise (these are planetary hours, so they probably won't be 60 minutes long, unless he was born close to the equinox or in the tropics.) The Sun's day is Sunday, the Moon's day is Monday, Mars's day is Tuesday, Mercury's day is Wednesday, Jupiter's day is Thursday, Venus's day is Friday, and Saturn's day is Saturday.
From there, count the hours in descending Chaldean order until you arrive at the hour in which your husband was born: Saturn > Jupiter > Mars > Sun > Venus > Mercury > Moon, and back around to Saturn.
It can be calculated by hand, of course, but the far easier way is to find an online calculator and input your data there. I quite like https://planetaryhours.net/.
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omg THANK YOU for the link help me with the planetary hour. And I have a question Sir.
His Venus in Aquarius in 8th house, got Square both by his Scorpio Mars in 5th and Scorpio Saturn in 5th, and Scorpio Pluto in 5th. You know 5th house TRINE 1st house Ascendant. And 8th house is Aversion to Ascendant. Basically that Venus in 8th is not in a better position, both by house and by sign. And that Venus is in Mars bound/term too.
So Venus has to perform under Mars bound. His Sun, Mercury also in Mars bound, so has to perform under Mars too. The degrees of the planet in what bound/term is very important in Hellenistic.
But Venus Aquarius is a fixed sign though (just as fixed as the sign Scorpio), so that Venus is not weak, it just she got square by all his Scorpio planets whom in a better house than her (and Mars in his own sign and own house), while she not have that luxury. And she being in Mars bound is ugh.. not so good.
It said Venus is Peregrine.
But here is what I don't get. You see his IC is Libra (rule by Venus), his MC is Aries (rule by Mars), and his Mars is in Scorpio which is domicile. And MC (where your actions is) has a bigger say in a chart than IC (family house under the horizon).
However his Venus is in Aquarius, so with IC in Libra, his Venus has domicile, and his Saturn has exalted. So I don't get why that Venus is peregrine, she has domicile in the IC in Libra right? And Saturn has the exalted in the IC in Libra right?
I'm confuse.
eta: I plug in his birthday in that calculator, he born on a Saturday, and by his birth time, that natal Scorpio Saturn is his planetary hour. This is bad right? lol. His Mars in Scorpio though, I don't know if Saturn is happy to be in that sign, Saturn HATE Mars. And his Saturn is Retrograde too, while his Mars spin Direct.
Ruler of Day: Saturn
Ruler of Hour: Saturn
That the result it give when I plug in his birthday and birth time and birth place.
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20 hr. ago
You're most welcome, I'm glad it helped!
So his Venus would be received by her domicile lord, Saturn, and her bound lord, Mars, which would improve her condition a little bit - even though it is a square, it is better than being in aversion to them.
That's all very technical, but in my lived experience, reception via hard aspects presents a challenge which, through overcoming it, helps the planet to learn the terrain, so to speak. Or, think of it as Venus being able to call upon those planets for help, and even though they may be grumpy about it, they'll have answers for her, though she may not like them.
As for the Midheaven and IC: the essential dignity of a planet (essential dignity means whether they are domicile, exalted, peregrine, fallen, etc.) is determined based upon the position of that planet in the chart. So, his Venus is in Aquarius, and in Mars's bound, so she has no essential dignity but no essential debility either (i.e. not fallen or in detriment). The position of the IC is not taken into account in determining her condition, because it's JUST about where the planet is in the chart - although she is indeed the domicile lord of the IC.
(If she is within a 3 degree orb of trining the IC/sextiling the MC, this is another mitigating condition for her placement in the 8th House! Vice versa, too - planets in challenging houses that have a trine to the MC/sextile to the IC also fare better than those that do not.)
Saturn in Scorpio is peregrine unless he is in his own bound. Because his Mars is in Scorpio as well, he is received by Mars, via conjunction/copresence. When I think of this, I think of having a highly competent and strategic sergeant (Mars) for Saturn to take his cues from, and Mars, in turn, having a seasoned and restrained advisor. (I wouldn't personally say Saturn hates Mars - Mars exalts in Saturn's sign, after all - and he may not like Aries, Mars's other domicile, but he struggles far less in Scorpio.)
As an aside, I (and many others) have found essential dignity to matter far less in natal charts than in, say, elections or transits, because human beings have free will and the ability to learn and grow from our experiences and challenges. The energy is the energy, but you can still decide how to react to it, and do things like remediation, etc. But none of what you've said seems really bad to me!
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1 day ago
I don't belive term of peregrins. Or exalted... Thing about it. Messi has a mars in cancer. It is the worst placement for a man right? Noo he is one of the best footbal player of all. No one can controll ball like him. Speed athletics every martian energy he has...
To find the ruler of the hour, you first need to find the length of the day (and night) in the place he was born on that day. Divide that into 12 equal hours during the day, and 12 more equal hours during the night.
The ruler of the day rules the first hour after sunrise (these are planetary hours, so they probably won't be 60 minutes long, unless he was born close to the equinox or in the tropics.) The Sun's day is Sunday, the Moon's day is Monday, Mars's day is Tuesday, Mercury's day is Wednesday, Jupiter's day is Thursday, Venus's day is Friday, and Saturn's day is Saturday.
From there, count the hours in descending Chaldean order until you arrive at the hour in which your husband was born: Saturn > Jupiter > Mars > Sun > Venus > Mercury > Moon, and back around to Saturn.
It can be calculated by hand, of course, but the far easier way is to find an online calculator and input your data there. I quite like https://planetaryhours.net/.
5
omg THANK YOU for the link help me with the planetary hour. And I have a question Sir.
His Venus in Aquarius in 8th house, got Square both by his Scorpio Mars in 5th and Scorpio Saturn in 5th, and Scorpio Pluto in 5th. You know 5th house TRINE 1st house Ascendant. And 8th house is Aversion to Ascendant. Basically that Venus in 8th is not in a better position, both by house and by sign. And that Venus is in Mars bound/term too.
So Venus has to perform under Mars bound. His Sun, Mercury also in Mars bound, so has to perform under Mars too. The degrees of the planet in what bound/term is very important in Hellenistic.
But Venus Aquarius is a fixed sign though (just as fixed as the sign Scorpio), so that Venus is not weak, it just she got square by all his Scorpio planets whom in a better house than her (and Mars in his own sign and own house), while she not have that luxury. And she being in Mars bound is ugh.. not so good.
It said Venus is Peregrine.
But here is what I don't get. You see his IC is Libra (rule by Venus), his MC is Aries (rule by Mars), and his Mars is in Scorpio which is domicile. And MC (where your actions is) has a bigger say in a chart than IC (family house under the horizon).
However his Venus is in Aquarius, so with IC in Libra, his Venus has domicile, and his Saturn has exalted. So I don't get why that Venus is peregrine, she has domicile in the IC in Libra right? And Saturn has the exalted in the IC in Libra right?
I'm confuse.
eta: I plug in his birthday in that calculator, he born on a Saturday, and by his birth time, that natal Scorpio Saturn is his planetary hour. This is bad right? lol. His Mars in Scorpio though, I don't know if Saturn is happy to be in that sign, Saturn HATE Mars. And his Saturn is Retrograde too, while his Mars spin Direct.
Ruler of Day: Saturn
Ruler of Hour: Saturn
That the result it give when I plug in his birthday and birth time and birth place.
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20 hr. ago
You're most welcome, I'm glad it helped!
So his Venus would be received by her domicile lord, Saturn, and her bound lord, Mars, which would improve her condition a little bit - even though it is a square, it is better than being in aversion to them.
That's all very technical, but in my lived experience, reception via hard aspects presents a challenge which, through overcoming it, helps the planet to learn the terrain, so to speak. Or, think of it as Venus being able to call upon those planets for help, and even though they may be grumpy about it, they'll have answers for her, though she may not like them.
As for the Midheaven and IC: the essential dignity of a planet (essential dignity means whether they are domicile, exalted, peregrine, fallen, etc.) is determined based upon the position of that planet in the chart. So, his Venus is in Aquarius, and in Mars's bound, so she has no essential dignity but no essential debility either (i.e. not fallen or in detriment). The position of the IC is not taken into account in determining her condition, because it's JUST about where the planet is in the chart - although she is indeed the domicile lord of the IC.
(If she is within a 3 degree orb of trining the IC/sextiling the MC, this is another mitigating condition for her placement in the 8th House! Vice versa, too - planets in challenging houses that have a trine to the MC/sextile to the IC also fare better than those that do not.)
Saturn in Scorpio is peregrine unless he is in his own bound. Because his Mars is in Scorpio as well, he is received by Mars, via conjunction/copresence. When I think of this, I think of having a highly competent and strategic sergeant (Mars) for Saturn to take his cues from, and Mars, in turn, having a seasoned and restrained advisor. (I wouldn't personally say Saturn hates Mars - Mars exalts in Saturn's sign, after all - and he may not like Aries, Mars's other domicile, but he struggles far less in Scorpio.)
As an aside, I (and many others) have found essential dignity to matter far less in natal charts than in, say, elections or transits, because human beings have free will and the ability to learn and grow from our experiences and challenges. The energy is the energy, but you can still decide how to react to it, and do things like remediation, etc. But none of what you've said seems really bad to me!
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1 day ago
I don't belive term of peregrins. Or exalted... Thing about it. Messi has a mars in cancer. It is the worst placement for a man right? Noo he is one of the best footbal player of all. No one can controll ball like him. Speed athletics every martian energy he has...