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AN INDIAN CHIEF CLAIMS RECOGNITION AND POWER FROM THE ASSEMBLED TRIBE


Commentary: ‘An Indian Chief Claims Recognition and Power From
the Assembled Tribe’ shows someone in a position of authority,
standing strong, staking their ‘Claim’ and place amongst the people
that he or she leads or represents. This is a Symbol associated with
the Jesus story. Jesus’ karmic lesson was to rise above the crowd;
to claim power in situations, places and with people; and to accept
any consequences that such a ‘Claim’ could lead to.
Oracle: There are leadership issues here. Sometimes we need to
rise to the occasion and take charge, and this is most likely one
of those times. This can lead to a struggle for control. You may be
challenged to remind those around you of your leadership qualities
and your ability to be strong, reliable and accountable. There’s the
need to stand up in front of others and be counted as someone who
has what it takes. As long as nobody is “lording it over” others, life
can operate in a smoother manner, with everyone understanding
their place in the scheme of things. We all have to find the courage
to stand up and exhibit a show of strength now and then. However,
there can be the flip side: are those above you reminding you
of the lesser position you occupy in the scheme of things? You
can find your own internal authority by believing in yourself, by
‘Claiming Recognition and Power’ and acknowledging your nobility
and courage. There can be challenging events happening in the
external world, a battle of wills perhaps, but if you stand strong and
firm in your inner belief in yourself, you can come out victorious
with a greater sense of authority radiating out to those around
you. People will take you more seriously. Always know when to
listen to and give way to the rights of others and you’ll be given a
stronger position in society.
Keywords: Assuming authority and the need for it. Benevolence
bestowed. Winning by charisma and strength of numbers. Finding
a true sense of place. Signs that one should be in charge. Staking
one’s claim. The ‘Claim of Recognition’. Respect. Having to stand
up or stand out in the crowd. Having the charisma of leadership.
Consolidating power. Popularity contests.
The Caution: Power tripping and struggles. Over-inflated views
of one’s self. The continual need to quieten power battles. Being
challenged by those left and right. Demanding attention and that
others follow orders. Taking over. Selfish and ego-driven. Too
many chiefs.


The King finally acts upon Pr.Andrew - Asc of JU in CAN



Capricorn 1
Self-reverence, self-knowledge,
self-control. These three alone
lead life to sovereign power.
Alfred Tennyson
To lead the people walk behind
them.
Lao-Tzu
A lot of young girls have looked
to their career paths and have
said they’d like to be chief.
There’s been a change in the
limits people see.
Wilma Pearl Mankiller
There are two things people
want more than sex and
money—recognition and
praise.
Mary Kay Ash
If your sctions inspire others
to dream more, learn more, do
more and become more, you
are a leader.
John Quincy Adams
He is not fit to command others
that cannot command himself.
Proverb
There are too many chiefs and
not enough indians.
Proverb
There are no small parts, only
small actors.
Proverb
Power corrupts; absolute power
corrupts absolutely.

KINGS DECENNIAL 2020 CHART ON QUEENS DEATH


Halfsums

VE/SA = Love's parting. Separation of love. Love's sorrow. Interrupted harmony. Hindered inclinations.
UR/HA = Distinctly marked loathsomeness or disgust. Sudden mean acts. Exciting damages. Accident. Murder.
SA/ZE = Separating from one's work, or accomplishments. Fire losses. Occurrences without consequences. Hindered activity. Events which bring about separations. Bequeathing. Perseverance. Oppression. Anxiety, anguish, obstacles, and hindrances in activity or work. Separation from or interrupted activities. Production losses. Breakdown of machines.
UR/KR = Emphatic expressions. Authority appearing suddenly. The formula of great tension and collected power.
NO/AD = Old or close, reliable connections. Few connections. Small exclusive circle. Connections with a few. Fetters, tight bond, binding tie. Connections which are oppressive and are a burden. "People who tie you down". Hampering associations.
Grouping
02 MC = To feel attracted by oppressed people. Connections with lonely types of people who are avoided or who are ill reputed. To retain only a few connections. Connections which are separated through death. To feel in bonds or to long for freedom

Performer of a mystery play

This universal idea is best expressed through planets in
Aquarius 6 (5° - 6°)
OUR ROLES AS AGENCIES OF HIGHER FORCES
​Not only do we live out our human lives in simple, workaday ways but we also serve the function of bringing higher mysteries to Earth
"Channelling ancient archetypes in your own unique fashion"
Today we still see acted out the old rituals that bind a group into awareness of ancient archetypes – from Mardi Gras to Easter parades, Father Christmas to Halloween pumpkin monsters. This is because they provide an essential method to raise individuals out of personality and into a collective group consciousness. It is how we learn to surrender self to transpersonal realities with the attendant remembering of the awareness of our larger responsibilities.

Rudhyar:
A MASKED FIGURE PERFORMS RITUALISTIC ACTS IN A MYSTERY PLAY


A masked figure performs ritualistic acts in a mystery play
Subtlety
Awareness brings the subtlety that shows grace in being and relating

Shakespeare reminds us that ‘all the world’s a stage’, yet we are constantly challenged to remember our roles as performers – this requires a very sensitive intelligence, a noteworthy subtlety of being.

Reality, as conventionally perceived, is no less convenient than a mystery play as a means of self-realisation. In all of our day to day events, we need to act out our characters convincingly well.

A person’s particular characteristics are exalted in relationship, and there is no end to the variations of expression. In fact it is only through a variety of relationships that our full potentialities can be stimulated. So to play out in our various associations we become performers, with very different temperaments. The mind has a mediating function in these interactions; its purpose is to interpret the world to the individual and the individual to the world; it is hugely important. It simply is not enough to allow individuality to be influenced, and so cultivated, by reference to our feelings alone.

All experiences have significance. The value of any experience, when interpreted creatively, is heightened in personality on the one hand, and in life itself on the other. The trick is to find a point of creative balance where we can assimilate what happens within our many social relationships to bring better understandings and deeper connection. This process must involve both feelings and thought.

With such awareness we win the gift of enacting deeper, more meaningful opportunities within the realms of human potential. We start to understand the real and subtle motivations that drive us – why we do what we do, want what we want, and fear whatever we fear.

Such subtlety invariably bestows grace – we develop the knack of noticing the effect we have on others, and their conscious and unconscious responses to us.
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There can be a tendency to lack practicality, and all too frequently to be teased by the seductive pull of self-mystification. This is to be minimised because too much self-analysis can surreptitiously lead us towards distress, and if we become lost in the fascination of self, we lose the power to act spontaneously with full commitment.
​Performer of a mystery play
Picture
Commentary from James Burgess
That part of us that is its own self - what we call "I" - is not small enough to be squeezed into a little physical body. Its vastness reaches out into the other realms, interacting and integrating with other, great beings. Who we are is vast and unique.

When we perform with awareness, whether in a mystery play or in daily life, we tune in to an aspect of ourselves whose centre of awareness is higher than our normal state. We can see more, we know more. Then the lowly earth-bound physical ego is the proud agency by which that higher, wiser aspect of self comes through to operate within the Earth plane. With awareness we can bridge the realms and promote expanding consciousness in each world.

Commentary from Mandy McKinley
All the world’s a stage. Freedom to express. A foot in each world. Archetypes. Protection through the passage. The Great Mystery come to life. Mystery school teacher. Actively living a sacred life. The dance of life. To be “at one with the gods”. Channelling a deity. Active participation in evolutionary process.
Advanced Level: Elven Star Analysis
​Although we can find relevance in some way to all 360 degrees, each degree resonates particularly, and mysteriously, with the 6 other points of its Elven Star and clues, from the 7 Words System, and the Sabian Journey, are shown in the text below. This first degree of the Expression "Idealisation" is the Affirming principle.

The scope of Aquarius 6 is "Channelling ancient archetypes in your own unique fashion", and its means of expansion is Cancer 10, "Undergoing intense training in self-improvement". Its preferred path, Sagittarius 14, "Reclaiming old teachings that pass the test of time", leads to its principle challenge, found in Taurus 18, "Emptying the mind".

Awareness of its spiritual purpose is described in Libra 23, "Speaking out what we know to be true", which generates the feedback found in Pisces 27, "See your life as the fulfilment of desire" and thus the evolutionary gateway offered by Virgo 1, "Learning what is significant on our lives".

​​(This list will differ slightly from your Elven Star points unless your degree is exact, such as Taurus 15:00 not Taurus 15:39)

Breakdown of the Aquarius 22 Symbol

Keywords: Humor, Absurdity

These keywords set the tone for the symbol, suggesting a playful, irreverent approach to life or reality. Humor and absurdity point to a perspective that finds joy in the unexpected, defying conventional logic or seriousness, which aligns with Aquarius’s innovative and unconventional nature.

Image: A rug placed upon a floor for children to play

This evokes a safe, playful space where creativity and spontaneity thrive. The rug symbolizes a contained yet open environment for exploration, much like a canvas for imagination. It suggests innocence, freedom, and the joy of unstructured play, resonating with the keyword “humor.”

Image: A lady with rounded features; fair skin, hair between auburn and brown, deep blue eyes; she is busy at her toilet

This image contrasts with the playful rug. The lady’s detailed description (rounded features, specific hair and eye color) and her focus on grooming suggest refinement, self-presentation, or societal conformity. “Busy at her toilet” implies a deliberate, perhaps vain effort to maintain appearances, which may contrast with the carefree play of the children. This could symbolize the tension between social order and individual freedom.

Kings natal yrs chart on Di's death - on 8th/death cusp

Harry in talks with the King - 12 cusp

The positive suggestion in Aquarius 22 is that of 'SMALL STEPS bring success; ASSISTANCE is near at hand; explore the world without losing touch ...



Image: A raging bull stamping upon the body of a dog

This violent, chaotic image introduces a stark contrast to the previous scenes. The bull represents raw, uncontrollable power or aggression, while the dog (often a symbol of loyalty or vulnerability) is overwhelmed. This suggests a disruptive force overpowering something weaker, reflecting the “absurdity” of unchecked power or the unpredictability of nature.

Symbol: Pegasus, or surprise Pegasus, the winged horse of Greek mythology, symbolizes inspiration, transcendence, and the leap into the extraordinary. The term “surprise” reinforces the idea of sudden, unexpected shifts that break from routine. This aligns with Aquarius’s association with shock, innovation and breakthroughs.

Concept: The erratic fringe of chill and a straining into novelty or leap of the consistency of order or pattern

This poetic phrase describes a tension between stability (order, pattern) and disruption (novelty, erratic leaps). The “erratic fringe of chill” suggests a boundary where conventional order gives way to something unpredictable, while “straining into novelty” implies an active push toward innovation or surprise, akin to Pegasus’s flight.

Interpretation: Critical intimacy with playful nature exposes the self to subsumption by a superior power which perpetually neutralizes or qualifies order as a datum by the cause-free impulse to initiate.

This complex sentence suggests that engaging deeply with playfulness or creativity (a “playful nature”) opens one to a greater force—perhaps divine inspiration, chaos, or the collective unconscious—that disrupts fixed structures. The “superior power” neutralizes rigid order through spontaneous, “cause-free” impulses, emphasizing creativity for its own sake.

Concept: The pure creative delight in interruption and variation
This highlights the joy of breaking patterns and embracing change. It reflects Aquarius’s love for individuality and rebellion against conformity, finding genius in the unexpected.

Outcome: So that intellectual reduction becomes a perpetual mental self-variation or pattern-creation
This suggests that attempts to simplify or systematize reality (intellectual reduction) are transformed into a continuous process of reinventing patterns. The mind becomes a dynamic, self-renewing system, constantly creating new frameworks rather than settling on one.

Gift: Quickening genius for unexpected correspondence

This final phrase points to a talent for spotting surprising connections or synchronicities, a hallmark of Aquarian insight. It’s the ability to find meaning or innovation in the absurd or unexpected, like a flash of inspiration.

Core Meaning of Aquarius 22

The Aquarius 22 degree symbolizes the interplay between order and disruption, where humor, absurdity, and creative spontaneity challenge rigid structures to spark innovation. The images—a playful rug, a grooming lady, a violent bull, and Pegasus—reflect a spectrum from innocence to chaos to transcendence. The symbol celebrates the “cause-free impulse” to create, interrupt, and vary, suggesting that true genius lies in embracing the unpredictable and finding unexpected connections. It warns against clinging to order (the lady’s grooming, intellectual reduction) while encouraging a playful, open approach to life’s absurdities. Connection to Archetypal Structural Pattern

The Aquarius 22 symbol aligns with several archetypal patterns previously discussed, particularly those involving disruption, transformation, and creativity. Below, I’ll connect it to these archetypes and show how it manifests in Alice in Wonderland.The Trickster’s Disruption

:Aquarius 22 Connection: The “pure creative delight in interruption and variation” and the “erratic fringe of chill” strongly evoke the trickster archetype, where chaos and absurdity (e.g., the bull stamping the dog, Pegasus’s surprise) upend conventional order to spark new possibilities. The keyword “absurdity” reinforces this playful defiance of logic. Carnmoney witchcraft - MC
In Alice: Wonderland’s characters, like the Cheshire Cat, Mad Hatter, or March Hare, embody the trickster’s role, disrupting Alice’s expectations with nonsensical behavior. Their absurd actions (e.g., the Mad Hatter’s unbirthday party) mirror the “cause-free impulse to initiate,” pushing Alice to adapt and find humor in chaos.
Example: The Cheshire Cat’s vanishing act and cryptic riddles (“We’re all mad here”) reflect the “quickening genius for unexpected correspondence,” as they challenge Alice to see reality differently, much like Aquarius 22’s delight in variation.

The Duality (Order vs. Chaos):Aquarius 22 Connection: The symbol juxtaposes order (the lady’s grooming, the consistency of pattern) with chaos (the raging bull, the erratic leap of Pegasus). This tension drives the “perpetual mental self-variation,” where order is qualified by creative disruption.
In Alice: Alice’s logical, Victorian mindset (order) clashes with Wonderland’s absurdity (chaos), such as the Queen’s arbitrary “Off with their heads!” or the Mad Tea Party’s illogical rules. Her journey involves navigating this duality, finding a balance between her rationality and the playful absurdity of Wonderland.
Example: The trial scene, with its chaotic proceedings and Alice’s attempt to impose logic, mirrors the Aquarius 22 dynamic of order being neutralized by a “superior power” (Wonderland’s absurdity).

The Quest for Identity:Aquarius 22 Connection: The “critical intimacy with playful nature” and “mental self-variation” suggest a process of self-discovery through engaging with the absurd. The symbol’s emphasis on breaking patterns aligns with redefining one’s identity through creative leaps.
In Alice: Alice’s repeated question, “Who am I?” reflects her struggle to maintain her identity in a world of shifting rules. Her encounters with absurd characters (e.g., the Caterpillar, the Duchess) force her to adapt and redefine herself, akin to the “pattern-creation” of Aquarius 22.
Example: The Caterpillar’s challenge (“Who are you?”) and Alice’s size changes (a literal “variation” of self) echo the symbol’s theme of finding identity through unexpected, playful shifts.

The Cycle of Renewal:Aquarius 22 Connection: The “subsumption by a superior power” and “leap of the consistency of order” suggest a transformative process where old patterns are disrupted to create new ones, akin to a death-and-rebirth cycle. The rug for children to play hints at the innocence and potential for renewal through play.
In Alice: Alice’s fall down the rabbit hole (a break from her ordered world) and her eventual awakening (return to reality) frame her journey as a cycle of renewal. Wonderland’s absurdity acts as the “superior power” that reshapes her perspective.
Example: Alice’s growth in confidence, culminating in her defiance of the Queen (“You’re nothing but a pack of cards!”), reflects the Aquarius 22 process of creating new patterns through disruption.

Application to Alice in WonderlandAlice in Wonderland is a perfect canvas for the Aquarius 22 symbol, as its absurd, playful narrative embodies the themes of humor, disruption, and creative leaps. Here’s how specific elements align:The Rug for Children to Play: Wonderland itself is a “rug” for Alice’s imaginative play, a surreal space where she explores without rigid boundaries. The nonsensical events (e.g., the Caucus Race, the Mad Tea Party) reflect the “pure creative delight” of unstructured play, encouraging Alice to embrace absurdity.
The Lady Busy at Her Toilet: This could symbolize Alice’s initial adherence to Victorian propriety or logic, which she tries to maintain in Wonderland (e.g., her attempts to recite poems correctly or follow social rules). However, Wonderland’s chaos forces her to abandon this “grooming” of order, aligning with the symbol’s critique of rigid conformity.
The Raging Bull Stamping the Dog: This violent image mirrors the Queen of Hearts’ tyrannical outbursts or the general chaos of Wonderland, where powerful, irrational forces (like the Queen’s decrees) overwhelm weaker ones (Alice’s logic or the vulnerable characters). It reflects the “erratic fringe” that disrupts order.
Pegasus, or Surprise: Wonderland is full of surprises, like the Cheshire Cat’s appearances or the sudden shifts in Alice’s size. These “Pegasus” moments embody the “quickening genius for unexpected correspondence,” as Alice learns to find meaning in the absurd (e.g., adapting to Wonderland’s logic).
Relationships: Alice’s interactions with characters like the Mad Hatter, March Hare, or Cheshire Cat reflect the “critical intimacy with playful nature,” as each encounter challenges her to engage with absurdity and vary her perspective, much like the symbol’s “mental self-variation.”


Aquarius 22 (Humor, Absurdity): Embraces chaos and disruption for its own sake, finding joy in breaking patterns and leaping into novelty (e.g., Pegasus, the raging bull). It’s more visionary, rebellious, and playful, prioritizing creativity over structure.

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ALL 22ND DEGREES

The key dynamic within Aquarius 22... and this includes Leo 22, "A carrier pigeon", the bird that always flies back home... is to explore unknown territory without getting too far from home. This suggests small steps that keep a secure, grounded centre from which to explore.

The dynamic is related to the preceding symbol, Aquarius 21, "A woman disappointed and disillusioned". 'Disappointment is indeed a common theme in this degree placement, however it is disappointment and disillusionment arising out of exaggerated expectations. Moving into the 22nd degree Aquarius, one becomes aware that exploring the unknown is possible... even necessary... but that there are rules that guide the process a little less ambitious than found in 21 Aquarius.

Individuals with placements in the 22nd degree Aquarius (and all 22nd degree fixed sign placements) must guard against collapsing back into habitual patterns. It is all to common that humans will choose a painful, unproductive pattern when faced with anxiety filled challenges, simply because they are familiar.

The Sabian symbol for 9° Cancer (rounded to 8°–9°) is: "A small naked girl bends over a pond trying to catch a fish."
Interpretation: This symbol evokes innocence, curiosity, and a desire to grasp something elusive (emotions, intuition, or subconscious truths). It suggests a pure, instinctual approach to exploring the depths of one’s inner world or emotions, often with a sense of playfulness or vulnerability.

Themes: Seeking emotional understanding, connecting with the subconscious, simplicity in pursuit of desires, and the need for patience when dealing with intangible or slippery matters.

3. Degree Symbolism (Other Systems)
Chandra Symbols (by John Sandbach): "A basket of apples sits on a table."
Interpretation: This symbolizes abundance, nourishment, and the fruits of emotional labor. It suggests a focus on gathering and sharing emotional resources, with an emphasis on domestic or familial harmony.

Kozminsky Symbols (by Isidore Kozminsky): "A man in a boat on a lake, fishing."
Interpretation: This reflects introspection and the search for deeper emotional or spiritual truths. The act of fishing suggests patience and contemplation, aligning with Cancer’s intuitive nature.

4. Numerological and Decanic Influence
8th Degree: The number 8 is associated with power, transformation, and cycles (linked to Scorpio and the 8th house in modern astrology). In Cancer, this degree may highlight emotional strength, resilience, and the ability to navigate cycles of emotional growth or loss.

First Decan of Cancer: Ruled by the Moon, this decan emphasizes emotional depth, nurturing instincts, and a strong connection to home and family. The 8th degree amplifies these themes with a focus on emotional transformation or empowerment.

5. Astrological Associations
Fixed Star Influence: There are no major fixed stars exactly at 8° Cancer, but nearby stars like Alhena (around 9° Cancer) may influence this degree. Alhena is associated with artistic expression, sensitivity, and a connection to the collective or cultural roots.

Planetary Dignity: If a planet occupies 8° Cancer, its expression is filtered through Cancer’s emotional and protective qualities. For example:
Moon at 8° Cancer: Strong intuition, emotional depth, and nurturing instincts are heightened.

Mars at 8° Cancer: Defensive energy, emotional assertiveness, or struggles with balancing action and sensitivity.

6. Thematic Interpretations
Emotional Exploration: The 8th degree of Cancer often points to delving into the emotional or subconscious realm, seeking to understand or capture fleeting feelings.

Nurturing and Protection: There’s a focus on creating safety and emotional security, whether for oneself or others.

Transformation Through Emotion: The influence of the number 8 suggests a potential for emotional rebirth or overcoming challenges through inner strength.

Intuitive Insight: This degree may indicate a moment of intuitive clarity or a need to trust one’s instincts in navigating life’s uncertainties.

7. Practical Applications
In a natal chart, a planet or point (e.g., Sun, Moon, Ascendant) at 8° Cancer suggests a life theme of emotional transformation, nurturing others, or seeking security through inner exploration.

In transits or progressions, planets passing through 8° Cancer may trigger events related to family dynamics, emotional breakthroughs, or home-related matters.

In mundane astrology, this degree could highlight collective themes of emotional healing, nurturing societal structures, or addressing issues related to home and safety.

8. Cultural and Esoteric Perspectives
Esoteric Astrology: In esoteric traditions, Cancer is linked to the soul’s journey toward incarnation and nurturing the spark of divine light. The 8th degree may symbolize the soul’s quest to balance material and emotional needs.

Tarot Correspondence: Cancer is associated with The Chariot (Major Arcana), which at the 8th degree could emphasize emotional control, moving forward with intuition, and mastering inner conflicts.

9. Modern Contextual Notes
No specific X posts or web sources provide unique interpretations of 8° Cancer as of my knowledge cutoff. However, general astrological discussions on platforms like X often align with the above interpretations, focusing on Cancer’s emotional and nurturing qualities.

If you’re seeking real-time or community-driven insights, I can search X for recent discussions about 8° Cancer. Would you like me to do so?

Summary
The 8th degree of Cancer is a potent point that combines Cancer’s emotional, nurturing, and intuitive energy with the transformative power of the number 8. Its Sabian and other symbolic interpretations highlight themes of innocence, emotional exploration, and the pursuit of deeper truths. Whether in a natal chart, transit, or mundane context, this degree emphasizes emotional resilience, nurturing, and the quest for inner security. If you have a specific context (e.g., a planet at this degree or a particular chart), let me know for a more tailored interpretation!

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Charubel, the pseudonym of Welsh mystic and astrologer John Thomas (1826–1908), provided a set of symbolic interpretations for each of the 360 degrees of the zodiac in his work The Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolized, first published in 1893. Charubel’s symbol and interpretation are as follows:


Symbol: "A smelting furnace."
Interpretation: "A large-hearted person, but at the same time particularly sensitive to an imposition or a fraud. Such transactions rarely escape being detected. Soul force is great; whilst the intellectual powers may be but of moderate capacity."

Di's Wedding Sunrise chart - Chiron on 11th cusp


Explanation
"A smelting furnace": This image evokes a process of intense transformation—raw material being melted down and purified under heat. In Taurus, an earth sign ruled by Venus, it suggests a grounded, practical energy being refined or tested, possibly tied to material or emotional resilience.

"A large-hearted person": Taurus is known for its generosity and loyalty, and this reflects a warm, magnanimous nature—someone who gives freely from a place of strength.

"Particularly sensitive to an imposition or a fraud": Despite the big heart, there’s a keen awareness here. Taurus values security and stability, so this degree highlights a protective instinct against being deceived or exploited.

"Such transactions rarely escape being detected": This suggests an almost intuitive knack for spotting dishonesty—a quiet but powerful discernment, perhaps rooted in Taurus’s sensory attunement.

"Soul force is great; whilst the intellectual powers may be but of moderate capacity": The emphasis is on inner strength and emotional depth over sharp intellect. This aligns with Taurus’s focus on feeling and being rather than overanalyzing.

Context in Taurus
At 23 Taurus, we’re deep into the sign’s fixed, earthy nature—past the initial spark (0°) and the midpoint (15°), approaching a culmination of Taurean themes like endurance, value, and sensual wisdom. Charubel’s take frames this degree as a blend of generosity and vigilance, with a soul-driven rather than mind-driven approach.

This interpretation is drawn from Charubel’s original work, often cited in astrological texts like those preserved by groups such as the RASA School of Astrology. It’s less poetic than some modern systems (e.g., Sabian Symbols, where Taurus 23 is “A jewelry shop filled with magnificent jewels”), but it’s practical and character-focused, typical of Charubel’s style. Does this spark any specific thoughts or questions for you?

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For example, for 23 Taurus, he “saw” a smelting furnace, which he then interpreted as reflecting specific human qualities. This suggests a meditative or trance-like state guided his work.

One Symbol per Degree:
Unlike some systems that assign multiple layers of meaning, Charubel gave each degree (0° to 29° of every sign) a single, concise image—usually an object, scene, or action (e.g., “A smelting furnace,” “A dark pool of water”). This simplicity reflects his aim to distill a degree’s essence into one vivid snapshot.

Interpretation from the Symbol:
After receiving the image, Charubel provided a brief explanation tying it to character traits, life tendencies, or spiritual lessons. These interpretations often feel like moral or psychological sketches—practical yet tinged with a mystic’s perspective. He didn’t elaborate extensively; the symbol carried the weight, and the meaning was meant to resonate intuitively.

For 23 Taurus, the furnace led to “a large-hearted person” sensitive to fraud, suggesting he saw the smelting process as a metaphor for refining generosity with discernment.

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Charubel: 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A smelting furnace."

Interpretation: "A large-hearted person, but at the same time particularly sensitive to an imposition or a fraud. Such transactions rarely escape being detected. Soul force is great; whilst the intellectual powers may be but of moderate capacity."

Vibe: Charubel’s take is earthy and practical (a furnace refining metal), with a focus on character—generosity tempered by vigilance. Taurus’s stability shines through, but the emphasis is on inner strength over intellect, with a mystical “soul force” nod.

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Sabian Symbols: 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A jewelry shop filled with the most magnificent jewels." (Developed by Marc Edmund Jones and Elsie Wheeler in 1925.)

Interpretation: Often seen as abundance, beauty, and the appreciation of value—both material and inner worth. It’s about displaying treasures, attracting admiration, and recognizing what’s precious in life.

Vibe: This is peak Taurus—luxury, sensuality, and tangible wealth. The Sabian focus is more external and celebratory than Charubel’s introspective furnace. It leans into Venusian themes of aesthetics and prosperity, suggesting a moment of showcasing rather than refining.

Comparison: Where Charubel sees a process (smelting), the Sabian sees a result (jewels). Both tie to Taurus’s material focus, but Charubel’s is gritty and soul-driven, while the Sabian is polished and social.

ATTRACTING ADMIRATION - ATTRACT CAMERA LENSES & EYES OF PUBLIC, and recognizing what’s precious in life.

Vibe: This is peak Taurus—luxury, sensuality, and tangible wealth. The Sabian focus is more external and celebratory than Charubel’s introspective furnace. It leans into Venusian themes of aesthetics and prosperity, suggesting a moment of showcasing rather than refining.

Comparison: Where Charubel sees a process (smelting), the Sabian sees a result (jewels). Both tie to Taurus’s material focus, but Charubel’s is gritty and soul-driven, while the Sabian is polished and social.

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Sepharial: 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A king granting an audience." (From Sepharial’s The Degrees of the Zodiac, published alongside Charubel’s in 1893.)

Interpretation: "Denotes one who will occupy some position of note and be sought after on account of his superior knowledge or attainments. Fortune will raise him to a position above his present sphere."

Vibe: Sepharial, a more predictive and status-oriented interpreter, frames this degree as a rise to prominence—authority and recognition. It’s less about Taurus’s earthy roots and more about social elevation, with a Jupiterian (expansive) undertone despite Taurus’s Venus rulership.

Comparison: Charubel’s humble, discerning furnace-dweller contrasts sharply with Sepharial’s regal figure. Charubel stays personal and moral; Sepharial aims for destiny and rank. Both suggest strength, but Charubel’s is internal, Sepharial’s external.

Carelli (Degrees of the Zodiac): 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A snail." (From Adriano Carelli’s The 360 Degrees of the Zodiac, 1950s, blending tradition and intuition.)

Interpretation: "A quiet industrious worker, patient and tenacious, who will build up his own fortune with his own hands. Slow but sure progress through life… He is cautious in the extreme and endowed with a remarkable power of concentration."

Vibe: Carelli’s snail is pure Taurus—slow, steady, self-reliant, and grounded. It’s less about soul or sensitivity (like Charubel) and more about persistence and practical effort, echoing Taurus’s fixed-earth endurance.

Comparison: Both Charubel and Carelli emphasize Taurus’s solidity, but the snail’s quiet diligence lacks the “large-hearted” warmth or fraud-detection of the furnace. Charubel adds a relational edge; Carelli focuses on solitary labor.

Kozminsky: 23 Taurus
Symbol: "A gaudily dressed herald blowing a trumpet, to which a little boy is dancing joyously in the roadway." (From Isidore Kozminsky’s Zodiacal Symbology and Its Planetary Power, 1917.)

Interpretation: "Denotes one of a gay and festive nature who enjoys pageantry and show… Popularity follows effort, and the native has a happy way of gaining the goodwill of the public."

Vibe: Kozminsky brings a playful, performative energy—Venusian Taurus with a splash of exuberance. The herald and dancing boy suggest public appeal and lightheartedness, a stark shift from Charubel’s serious tone.

Comparison: Charubel’s furnace is solitary and intense; Kozminsky’s scene is social and buoyant. Both hint at Taurus’s value system (refined metal vs. festive display), but Kozminsky leans into joy, while Charubel stresses discernment.

Synthesis and Themes
Taurus Core: All systems reflect Taurus’s essence—materiality, endurance, value—but in different shades:
Charubel: Inner refinement and moral sensitivity.

Sabian: Outer beauty and abundance.

Sepharial: Social authority and ascent.

Carelli: Steady, practical progress.

Kozminsky: Public charm and celebration.

Methodology Impact:
Charubel’s Vision: His clairvoyant lens gives a personal, soulful take—less flashy, more introspective.

Sabian’s Narrative: A poetic, collective snapshot, tied to a sequential story across degrees.

Sepharial’s Prediction: Fate-driven, with a focus on life’s arc rather than character.

Carelli’s Tradition: Rooted in astrology’s signs and rulerships, pragmatic and detailed.

Kozminsky’s Blend: Esoteric yet lively, mixing planetary influence with vivid imagery.

Tone: Charubel’s “smelting furnace” is the most industrial and transformative, contrasting with the Sabian’s luxury, Sepharial’s pomp, Carelli’s quiet toil, and Kozminsky’s festivity.

Which Resonates?
Charubel’s 23 Taurus feels like the blacksmith of the group—forging something enduring with heart and caution. The Sabian offers a jeweler’s display case, Sepharial a throne room, Carelli a snail’s trail, and Kozminsky a street party. If you’re drawn to Taurus’s deeper, less glamorous side, Charubel might hit home; if you prefer its Venusian glow, the Sabian or Kozminsky could appeal more.
Does one of these jump out at you for a specific reason—like a chart placement or personal vibe? I can dig deeper into any of them if you’d like!

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John Sandbach: Chandra and Omega Symbols for 23 Taurus
Sandbach channeled two key sets of degree symbols: the Chandra Symbols (1983) and the Omega Symbols (2005). Each offers a different lens on 23 Taurus.
Chandra Symbol: "A dried up stream bed with one small spring at its head."
Interpretation (from Sandbach): This symbol speaks to resilience amid scarcity. The dried-up stream bed suggests a loss of flow—perhaps creativity, resources, or emotional vitality—yet the small spring signifies a persistent, life-giving spark. Sandbach might describe this as a degree of quiet endurance, where one taps into a subtle but vital source of renewal despite barren conditions. It’s about finding the “one thing” that still works and nurturing it.

Vibe: Practical yet mystical, it reflects Taurus’s earthy tenacity with a hint of hidden potential. The focus is on survival and the power of minimalism.

Omega Symbol: "Inside a tornado, a spiral staircase."
Interpretation (from Sandbach’s blog): "Receiving/Receptive (Degree Angel: Mebahiah (me-BA-hee-YAH) Thought Into Action, Intellectual Lucidity). You have the ability to maintain poise and clear thinking even in the most confusing, chaotic and upsetting situations. This stems from a central clarity and solidness that you carry with you and that can keep you stabilized—if you tune in to it—no matter what is going on around you."

Expanded Meaning: The spiral staircase within a tornado is a striking image of inner calm amid external upheaval. Sandbach ties this to Taurus’s stability, suggesting a core strength that lets you ascend (or descend) through chaos with purpose. It’s less about resisting the storm and more about navigating it with grace.

Vibe: Dynamic and stabilizing, it’s Taurus as a grounded anchor in a swirling world, with a receptive quality that listens and adapts.

Sandbach’s Approach:
Sandbach’s symbols are concrete and imaginative, channeled from spirit guides (Chandra) or intuitive downloads (Omega). He avoids overintellectualizing, encouraging users to meditate on the image and feel its energy. For 23 Taurus, both symbols highlight endurance—whether through a faint spring or a steady staircase—rooted in Taurus’s fixed-earth nature.
Ellias Lonsdale: Chandra Symbol Interpretation for 23 Taurus
Lonsdale, in Inside Degrees (1997), builds on Sandbach’s Chandra Symbols, adding a poetic, evolutionary spin. He worked with Sandbach’s originals, refining them through his own visionary lens.
Chandra Symbol: "A salamander glowing red-orange." (Note: Lonsdale adapts Sandbach’s original symbols, and this is his version for 23 Taurus.)
Interpretation (from Inside Degrees): "Burning up with the inner flame of creative activity in the soul realms. The inner life raging with power—an insistent force. A level of attunement to the central flame of your being that will not quit. The impassioned desire to manifest perfectly what lives inside. The alchemical intention to burn away the dross and return to pristine selfhood at long last. An extremely sharply motivated path of development. Difficult to harness, yet the mastery called for is just what you seek to embody, and anything more reasonable seems easy and lazy. One-pointed drive to strip away all but self and be true to self in a fashion which will burn a hole in the world."

Vibe: Lonsdale transforms the salamander into a fiery, transformative creature—a symbol of Taurus’s slow burn turned into a blazing, alchemical force. It’s less about physical endurance (like Sandbach’s stream or staircase) and more about an intense inner purification, a soul-driven quest to refine and express the authentic self.

Taurus Twist: While Taurus is typically steady and sensual, Lonsdale sees 23 Taurus as a point of passionate intensity—still rooted in the sign’s persistence but channeled into a near-obsessive creative or spiritual fire.

Lonsdale’s Approach:
Lonsdale’s method is intuitive and soul-focused, aiming to pierce the veil of mundane reality. He takes Sandbach’s Chandra base and amplifies it with a cosmic, almost shamanic narrative. For 23 Taurus, he emphasizes transformation over stability, seeing the degree as a crucible where the self is forged anew.
Comparison
Imagery:
Sandbach (Chandra): "A dried up stream bed with one small spring" is quiet, minimal, and survival-oriented—classic Taurus resilience.

Sandbach (Omega): "Inside a tornado, a spiral staircase" adds motion and structure, blending chaos with calm—a more dynamic Taurus.

Lonsdale (Chandra): "A salamander glowing red-orange" ignites the degree with heat and vitality, pushing Taurus into a fiery, alchemical realm.

Tone:
Sandbach’s Chandra is understated, practical, and reflective; his Omega is poised and stabilizing.

Lonsdale’s take is intense, poetic, and evolutionary—less about Taurus’s comfort zone and more about its potential for radical self-realization.

Focus:
Sandbach emphasizes endurance and inner resourcefulness (spring, staircase).

Lonsdale focuses on creative fire and soul purification (salamander).

Taurus 23 in Context
At 23 Taurus, we’re in the late decan of the sign (ruled by Capricorn in the Chaldean system), where Taurus’s earthy pleasures meet a more disciplined, goal-oriented edge. Charubel’s “smelting furnace” (from your earlier question) aligns with Sandbach’s Chandra (refinement) and Lonsdale’s salamander (alchemy), suggesting a theme of transformation through effort. Sandbach’s Omega staircase adds a unique spin—stability amid chaos—while Lonsdale’s fiery vision pushes the degree into a transcendent space.
What They Say, Summarized
Sandbach: 23 Taurus is about holding steady—whether through a trickle of life in a dry place (Chandra) or a calm center in a storm (Omega). It’s Taurus as a quiet, enduring force.

Lonsdale: 23 Taurus is a burning, soul-driven push to refine and express the true self—an intense, creative flame within Taurus’s earthy shell.

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VEDIC ASTROLOGY

Vedic Adjustment: 23 Taurus Tropical = ~29 Aries Sidereal
Ayanamsa: The exact offset depends on the ayanamsa used (e.g., Lahiri, the most common, is ~24°06’ as of 2025). For simplicity, 22° Taurus tropical shifts back to approximately 28°–29° Aries sidereal.

Sign Shift: In Vedic, we’re no longer in Taurus (sidereal 0°–30° Taurus is ~24° Taurus–24° Gemini tropical). Instead, 29 Aries sidereal falls in the fiery, Mars-ruled sign of Aries, a stark contrast to Taurus’s earthy, Venusian nature in Western astrology.

Vedic Framework for 29 Aries Sidereal
Nakshatra: Krittika (26°40’ Aries – 10°00’ Taurus Sidereal)
Ruling Planet: Sun (exalted in Aries, adding potency).

Symbol: Razor, knife, or flame—sharpness and cutting through.

Deity: Agni (fire god), tied to purification, transformation, and willpower.

Qualities: Krittika is a “mixed” nakshatra (sharp yet soft), blending aggression with refinement. At 29 Aries, it’s in the 3rd pada (quarter), ruled by Gemini (Mercury), emphasizing intellect, communication, and duality within Aries’s boldness.

Meaning: Determination, critical perception, and the ability to burn away impurities. It’s fiery, assertive, and goal-driven, with a knack for discernment (Gemini influence).

Drekkana: 3rd Decan of Aries (20°–30° Aries Sidereal)
Ruler: Jupiter (in the Vedic drekkana system).

Tone: Expansive, philosophical, and optimistic, tempering Aries’s raw energy with wisdom and vision.

Vibe: A mature Aries—less impulsive, more strategic, aiming for growth.

Degree Context:
29 Aries is the final degree of the sign (an anaretic or “critical” degree in some traditions), suggesting urgency, completion, or a transition into Taurus’s stability. It’s a threshold point, charged with Aries’s pioneering spirit.

Sandbach: 23 Taurus Tropical
Chandra Symbol: "A dried up stream bed with one small spring at its head."
Resilience, quiet persistence, a minimal but vital spark—classic Taurus endurance.

Omega Symbol: "Inside a tornado, a spiral staircase."
Inner calm amid chaos, stability in upheaval—a Taurus anchor with dynamic poise.

Comparison with Vedic 29 Aries:
Similarities:
Resilience: The Chandra’s small spring echoes Krittika’s ability to sustain effort (fire keeps burning). Both suggest a core strength in tough conditions.

Transformation: The Omega’s tornado aligns with Krittika’s fiery, cutting nature—both handle chaos, though Vedic Aries confronts it head-on, while Taurus stabilizes it.

Differences:
Energy: Sandbach’s Taurus is slow, earthy, and receptive; Vedic 29 Aries is fast, fiery, and assertive. The spring and staircase are passive-active, while Krittika’s flame is pure action.

Focus: Sandbach emphasizes inner resourcefulness; Vedic Aries focuses on outward drive and purification (Agni’s influence).

Lonsdale: 23 Taurus Tropical
Chandra Symbol: "A salamander glowing red-orange."

Interpretation: "Burning up with the inner flame of creative activity… The alchemical intention to burn away the dross and return to pristine selfhood… One-pointed drive."

Vibe: Intense, transformative fire within Taurus’s earthy shell—a soul-driven purification.

Comparison with Vedic 29 Aries:
Similarities:
Fire and Transformation: Lonsdale’s salamander (a fire-dwelling creature) mirrors Krittika’s flame and Agni’s purifying role. Both see this degree as a crucible—burning away impurities for clarity or selfhood.

Intensity: The “one-pointed drive” resonates with Aries’s Mars-ruled focus and Krittika’s sharp determination. Both are relentless in their pursuit.

Creativity: Lonsdale’s “creative activity” aligns with Krittika’s 3rd pada (Gemini), where intellect and expression refine Aries’s raw energy.

Differences:
Tone: Lonsdale’s fire is soulful and internal, rooted in Taurus’s depth; Vedic 29 Aries is external, bold, and action-oriented—more warrior than alchemist.

Pace: Taurus slows the burn for reflection; Aries accelerates it for conquest.

Context: Lonsdale’s “pristine selfhood” is personal and mystical; Krittika’s purification serves a broader, cosmic will (Sun and Agni).

The White Moon shows light, truth, the path to a high harmony that gives a person grace, a definition of higher meaning and world harmony, that is, the very grace with which a person changing himself changes the world around him. And now this sensation of light, the feeling of higher leadership is connected with people who have a very strong Selena in their horoscope. The signs of the Zodiac, along which passes the White Moon, acquire the ability to give harmony and spiritual help. If there is a strong White Moon in your horoscope or in the cosmogram, then to you, strength comes, calmness and help in good deeds. It's like a protective covering of a person.

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All 19th degree symbols carry motifs of extremes of measure. As the 4th degree within a five-fold series, there is a challenge to be met. In each case, the 19th degrees touch on issues that at once both large and small.

Sagittarius 19: Pelicans moving their habitat - The pelican, for example, is a large bird known for its unusually large beak/bill which is capable of carrying large fish. The flexible bottom portion can expand to accommodate very large loads.

But also think of the issue that would motivate having to move habitat. One can imagine encroaching civilization upon wetlands that force wildlife to find another habitat. In human terms, history is filled with stories of peoples being dis-located, having to pack up what they can and move to another land.

Gemini 19 "A large archaic volume" suggests size, volume, yet within there may well be very specific details of importance.

Taken together, individuals with placements in 19 Gemini/Sagittarius, often have stories of immigration, for example, of bringing traditions, recipes, from a homeland to a new world. The idea is one of taking what is valuable and needed. S

The text discusses the concept of “Central self-substitution,” which refers to the involuntary use of oneself as a tool for change. This process involves the diffusion and relaxation of the self, leading to a temporary state of consciousness that desires completeness. However, this desire reduces the self to a mere reference point in time. The self undergoes a fluid dissection, resulting in an irreversible exchange where reduction is achieved through surrender. The remaining unity of the self, constantly transformed by powerful external forces, primarily serves as a mental intermediary among changes and exhausting differences. In essence, the self becomes a mediator in the face of constant change and diversity.

Central self-substitution: involuntary utility of the self as a
convenience, a locus or agency of alteration. Diffusion and
relaxation produce a fleeting occupation or passage of differents
through consciousness as desire for totalization, which reduces
selfhood to a mere time-reference. Fluid anatomization becomes
irreversible exchange; reduction is by surrender; and residual
unitiveness, now perpetually transformed by powerful currents
and settings in the outer fusions of nature, becomes primarily
a mental mediation among changes and tiring differences. - SCHROEDER

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Central self-substitution: This term seems to refer to the idea of the self being used as a tool or agent for CHANGE. This is not a voluntary action but something that happens out of necessity or convenience.
Diffusion and relaxation: These processes lead to a temporary state where different elements or aspects pass through one’s consciousness. This could be interpreted as different thoughts, feelings, or experiences.
Desire for totalization: This is the drive to bring all these different elements together into a coherent whole. However, this process reduces the concept of selfhood to a mere reference point in time.
Fluid anatomization: This could be understood as the continuous process of breaking down and analyzing the self. This becomes an irreversible exchange, where reduction is achieved through surrender.
Residual unitiveness: Despite the continuous transformation and change, there remains a sense of unity or wholeness. This unity, however, is primarily a mental process that mediates among changes and differences.
In essence, this passage seems to be exploring the fluid and ever-changing nature of selfhood and consciousness. It suggests that our sense of self is not fixed but is constantly being shaped and reshaped by our experiences and interactions with the world around us.