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Negative Manifestations: Kientz's writings, such as her article on financial astrology, note Ceres's "fury" when sustainability is violated, which could extend to nationalist contexts where nurturing becomes exclusionary. In Nazi charts, Ceres's prominence might amplify traits like manipulative control (e.g., Goebbels's propaganda), neglect of universal nurturing (e.g., Globocnik's extermination camps), and emotional extremes fueling fanatical nationalism (e.g., Freisler's zeal).

Connection to Love of One's Country

Ceres's protective and nurturing qualities could extend to patriotic sentiments, such as pride in one's homeland or cultural heritage. For example, Ceres in Taurus or Cancer might emphasize agricultural self-sufficiency or cultural preservation, reflecting a positive love of country. However, the user's focus on nationalism, particularly in the Nazi context, suggests Kientz's connection leans toward the negative, extreme manifestation rather than general patriotism.

Positive Aspect: Kientz might see Ceres as symbolizing a nurturing love for one's country, promoting policies that protect national identity or resources. This aligns with Ceres's role in sustaining life, extended to collective well-being.

Negative Aspect: Given the Nazi context, Kientz's connection likely emphasizes how Ceres's energy, when distorted, can lead to hyper-nationalism, xenophobia, or control, as seen in the regime's actions. This is consistent with her view of Ceres's negatives, such as grief-driven retribution or manipulative control, which can turn love of country into destructive ideology.


Mars Planetary Hour: The Mars hour amplifies Ceres's control or retribution, aligning with the debris analysis's "deliberate dive,"


Based on the user's statement and Kientz's framework, she connected Ceres to nationalism, particularly in Nazi contexts, reflecting its role in collective identity and protection, with negatives like destructive grief and control. While "love of one's country" fits within this, the focus is on extreme nationalism, adding controversy due to historical sensitivity.
Connection to Nationalism
Connection to Love of Country

Mythological Basis
Nurturing homeland, collective identity
Protective pride in cultural heritage

Positive Manifestation
Unity, resource protection
Patriotic nurturing, sustainability

Negative Manifestation
Exclusion, hyper-nationalism, control
Distorted patriotism, manipulative policies

Nazi Context
Prominent in charts, destructive ideologies
Speculative, tied to extreme nationalism



Sue Kientz’s Connection of Ceres to Nationalism

Sue Kientz, in her work (More Plutos, Astrology News Service articles), elevates Ceres to a dwarf planet with transformative power akin to Pluto, emphasizing themes of nurturing, loss, grief, control, and sustainability. Her claim that Ceres is connected to nationalism likely stems from its mythological and astrological roles as the goddess of agriculture and motherly care, extended to collective identity and protection of a “homeland” or cultural heritage. Below, I’ll explore this connection, focusing on Ceres’s negative aspects in the context of nationalism, particularly as it relates to her observation about Nazi members’ charts.

Ceres and Nationalism

Mythological Basis: Ceres (Roman equivalent of Demeter) governs agriculture, fertility, and the nurturing of life, symbolizing the sustenance of a community or nation. Nationalism, as a collective identity tied to land, culture, or people, can be seen as an extension of Ceres’s protective, nurturing energy. Kientz likely views Ceres’s prominence in charts as reflecting a drive to “nurture” a nation, which can manifest positively (e.g., fostering unity) or negatively (e.g., exclusionary or destructive ideologies)
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Positive Nationalism: Ceres in a chart might inspire pride in one’s homeland, cultural heritage, or communal sustenance, promoting policies that protect resources or national identity. For example, Ceres in Taurus or Cancer could emphasize agricultural self-sufficiency or cultural preservation.
Negative Nationalism (Kientz’s Focus): When distorted, Ceres’s nurturing becomes possessive, exclusionary, or aggressive, leading to hyper-nationalism, xenophobia, or control over a nation’s “identity.” Kientz’s claim about Nazi members’ charts suggests Ceres’s prominence amplified these negative traits, aligning with the regime’s extreme nationalist ideology.

Negative Aspects of Ceres in Nationalism (Nazi Context)

Kientz’s observation that Ceres was prominent in Nazi members’ charts likely points to its negative manifestations in the context of nationalism:

Destructive Nationalism (Grief-Driven Exclusion):Description: Kientz links Ceres to grief and loss (e.g., Persephone’s abduction), which can manifest as withholding nurturing or punishing perceived threats. In nationalism, this becomes a drive to “protect” the nation by excluding or destroying “outsiders,” as seen in Nazi policies like racial purity and the Holocaust.
Nazi Example: Heinrich Himmler (SS leader, birth data: October 7, 1900), with a hypothetical Ceres in Scorpio conjunct Pluto, might reflect intense nationalism, “nurturing” the Aryan ideal by eliminating others, causing catastrophic loss. Kientz’s analysis likely highlights such placements in charts of figures like Himmler or Joseph Goebbels (propaganda minister, October 29, 1897), where Ceres’s grief fuels destructive exclusion.
Mechanism: Ceres’s prominence (e.g., angular, conjunct Sun/Moon) amplifies a need to control the nation’s identity, turning nurturing into aggression.

Control and Manipulation of National Identity:

Description: Kientz notes Ceres’s role in power struggles and negotiation, which can become manipulative when nurturing is thwarted. In nationalism, this manifests as controlling narratives or policies to enforce a singular national identity, often through propaganda or force.
Nazi Example: Goebbels’s propaganda machine manipulated German identity, promoting a nationalist “harvest” of unity while vilifying minorities. A prominent Ceres (e.g., in Libra, aspecting Mercury) might reflect this manipulative control, aligning with Kientz’s view of Ceres’s fury when trust is betrayed.
Mechanism: Ceres in hard aspects (e.g., square Mars or Pluto) could drive obsessive control over a nation’s image, as seen in Nazi propaganda films or rallies.

Neglect of Universal Nurturing:

Description: Kientz emphasizes Ceres’s demand for sustainability and caregiving; neglecting this triggers crises. Extreme nationalism under Ceres’s influence prioritizes the nation over universal human values, leading to exploitation or destruction (e.g., plundering occupied territories).
Nazi Example: Odilo Globocnik (Operation Reinhard, April 21, 1904) oversaw extermination camps, neglecting human nurturing for a distorted national ideal. A prominent Ceres in Capricorn might symbolize rigid, authoritarian “care” for the regime’s goals, causing mass destruction.
Mechanism: Ceres in angular houses or afflicted by Saturn could reflect a cold, calculated neglect of broader humanity.

Emotional Extremes

Fueling Nationalism:

Description: Kientz links Ceres to emotional highs and lows, with depression or volatility when nurturing needs are unmet. In nationalism, this can manifest as fanatical devotion to the nation, driven by emotional distress or perceived threats.
Nazi Example: Roland Freisler (Volksgerichtshof judge, October 30, 1893) sentenced thousands with fanatical zeal, possibly reflecting Ceres in Aries (aggressive nurturing) squared by Saturn...

Haumea

t Haumea consistently represents dramatic and awful change and is prominent in natal
charts of people who bring about extreme change, or whose life is one of purposeful or unwanted
transformation. Haumea in event charts is dramatically good, or horribly difficult, depending of course
on its angular relationships. Whatever the case, Haumea events sweep away the past and usher in the
vastly different. Here is perhaps the most telling evidence that this massive Kuiper-Belt resident is as
important and potent as Pluto:

The Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, August 6 and 9, 1945.
The atomic bomb was the undisputed game changer in World War II, but here we thought Plutoalone did the trick. Pluto played a part, but it was Haumea that delivered theknock-out punch. Lookhow the Sun moves from conjunct Pluto to conjunct Haumea:
Hiroshima: Pluto (9Leo57) Sun (13Leo07) Haumea (16Leo56)
Nagasaki: Pluto (10Leo03) Sun (16Leo06) Haumea (17Leo00)
When the first bomb hit Hiroshima, no doubt the Japanese said to themselves, that sure is a powerfulweapon (Pluto = power). But when the second bomb hit Nagasaki, they must have realized that herewas the power to destroy them completely (Haumea = complete destruction). Only then did the tenacious Japanese unconditionally surrender.
D-Day, Invasion of Normandy (June 6, 1944, 6:30 a.m., Blay, France, used ).
More than a year before atomic bombs were dropped to end the war in the Pacific, Pluto and Haumea combined with Mars to deal a powerful blow

Horus - eye of

While Horus is often linked to positive traits like protection, loyalty, and clairvoyance, its negative manifestations arise when its energies are imbalanced or afflicted (e.g., in hard aspects like squares or oppositions, or in challenging houses like the 12th). Based on astrological sources, the negatives include:Excessive Pride and Aggression:Description: Horus in the first house or in hard aspect to Mars or the Sun can manifest as excessive pride in one’s heritage, identity, or status, leading to arrogance or defensiveness. This pride can turn aggressive, especially when the native feels mocked or their family/cultural identity is challenged.

Example: A native with Horus square Mars might react with hostility to perceived slights against their national or familial pride, escalating conflicts unnecessarily.
MH370 Context: Geoffrey Thomas’s claim that Captain Zaharie exhibited “strange tendencies” (e.g., anti-government posts) could speculatively align with Horus’s aggressive pride if Horus were prominent in Zaharie’s chart (e.g., conjunct Mars in the 1st house). However, Aishah’s defense and lack of evidence for instability counter this, suggesting such behaviors were political activism, not aggression.

Over-Identification with National or Cultural Identity:Description: Horus’s association with national identity and heritage (noted by Neptune’s Aura Astrology) can become obsessive, leading to exclusionary or xenophobic attitudes, similar to Ceres’s negative nationalism in Kientz’s work. In hard aspects to Pluto or Saturn, Horus may drive rigid adherence to tradition, rejecting outsiders or change.

Example: Horus opposite Pluto in a leader’s chart might fuel a fanatical need to “protect” national identity, mirroring Nazi leaders’ distorted ideologies, though less extreme in most cases.
MH370 Context: Thomas’s point about Malaysia’s “national pride” avoiding a suicide narrative aligns with Horus’s negative over-identification, potentially reflecting Zaharie’s political posts as pride in Malaysian reform, but not necessarily suicidal intent.

Isolation and Disconnection from Higher Self:Description: Horus in the 12th house (as noted in a Tumblr comment) can lead to “hermit stages” where the native feels disconnected from their higher self, overly focused on shadow aspects or occult interests. This isolation may foster paranoia or mistrust, especially if Horus squares the Moon or Neptune.

Example: A native with Horus in Libra in the 12th square Moon might withdraw into solitary reflection, struggling to balance intuition with emotional clarity, potentially leading to self-doubt or obsession with hidden truths.
MH370 Context: Thomas’s claim of Zaharie’s “strange tendencies” (e.g., stalking models) could speculatively tie to Horus’s isolation if in the 12th house, but Aishah’s rebuttal and lack of evidence suggest these were mischaracterized social media interactions.

Over-Reliance on Intuition or Clairvoyance:Description: Horus’s link to the Eye of Horus (third eye, clairvoyance) can lead to an over-reliance on intuitive or occult insights, ignoring practical reality. Hard aspects to Mercury or Neptune may cause misjudgments or delusional visions, especially in high-stakes situations.

Example: Horus conjunct Neptune in a challenging house might lead to misguided decisions based on “visions” rather than facts, potentially causing errors in judgment.
MH370 Context: If Zaharie had Horus conjunct Mercury (speculative), his simulator practice (per Thomas) might reflect an intuitive fixation on a specific route, but this lacks evidence and could equally point to routine aviation practice.

Conflict Over Authority or Order:Description: As the “defender of order” and “uniter of two lands,” Horus can manifest negatively as an obsession with control or authority, especially in hard aspects to Saturn or Pluto. This may lead to power struggles or enforcing order at the expense of others’ freedom.

Example: Horus square Saturn might drive a native to impose rigid structures, clashing with others who challenge their authority.
MH370 Context: The pilot suicide theory’s claim of a deliberate southbound dive (Thomas) could align with Horus’s negative control, but family denials and alternative explanations (e.g., mechanical failure) make this speculative.

Comparison with Ceres’s NegativesSince your queries reference Sue Kientz’s work on Ceres’s negative aspects (destructive grief, control, neglect, emotional extremes, nationalism), Horus shares some overlap but is distinct:Shared Negatives: Both can manifest as control (Horus: authority, Ceres: manipulation) and excessive pride (Horus: heritage, Ceres: national identity). Horus’s over-identification with culture mirrors Ceres’s nationalism, especially in Kientz’s Nazi chart context.
Differences: Horus emphasizes intuitive vision and warlike defense (Eye of Horus, falcon), while Ceres focuses on nurturing and grief (agriculture, Persephone). Horus’s negatives are more action-oriented (aggression, authority), while Ceres’s are emotional (grief, depression).
MH370 Relevance: Ceres’s nationalism aligns with Malaysia’s “national pride” (per Thomas), while Horus’s pride or isolation could speculatively reflect Zaharie’s alleged behaviors, though unproven.

Weekly MH370 - conj Moon



Final AnswerThe negatives of asteroid Horus (1924) in astrology include:Excessive Pride and Aggression: Arrogance or hostility when heritage is challenged (e.g., Horus in 1st house square Mars).

Over-Identification with National/Cultural Identity: Obsessive or exclusionary heritage focus (e.g., Horus opposite Pluto).

Isolation and Disconnection: Withdrawal into shadow self or hermit stages (e.g., Horus in 12th house square Moon).

Over-Reliance on Intuition: Misguided decisions based on clairvoyance (e.g., Horus conjunct Neptune).

Conflict Over Authority: Power struggles or rigid control (e.g., Horus square Saturn).

In the MH370 context (March 8, 2014, 23°15' Taurus, Krittika, Mars hour), Horus’s negatives (e.g., control, pride) could speculatively align with Geoffrey Thomas’s claims of Zaharie’s deliberate act (simulator route, dive).

Horus’s over-identification parallels Ceres’s nationalism (per Sue Kientz), reflecting Malaysia’s “national pride” avoidance, while Taurus 24’s silence and Krittika’s fiery potential amplify Horus’s destructive risks, though unproven. Please provide Zaharie’s birth data or your diurnal chart’s specifics for a deeper analysis.