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While Horus is often linked to positive traits like protection, loyalty, and clairvoyance, its negative manifestations arise when its energies are imbalanced or afflicted (e.g., in hard aspects like squares or oppositions, or in challenging houses like the 12th). Based on astrological sources, the negatives include:Excessive Pride and Aggression:Description: Horus in the first house or in hard aspect to Mars or the Sun can manifest as excessive pride in one’s heritage, identity, or status, leading to arrogance or defensiveness. This pride can turn aggressive, especially when the native feels mocked or their family/cultural identity is challenged.

Example: A native with Horus square Mars might react with hostility to perceived slights against their national or familial pride, escalating conflicts unnecessarily.
MH370 Context: Geoffrey Thomas’s claim that Captain Zaharie exhibited “strange tendencies” (e.g., anti-government posts) could speculatively align with Horus’s aggressive pride if Horus were prominent in Zaharie’s chart (e.g., conjunct Mars in the 1st house). However, Aishah’s defense and lack of evidence for instability counter this, suggesting such behaviors were political activism, not aggression.

Over-Identification with National or Cultural Identity:Description: Horus’s association with national identity and heritage (noted by Neptune’s Aura Astrology) can become obsessive, leading to exclusionary or xenophobic attitudes, similar to Ceres’s negative nationalism in Kientz’s work. In hard aspects to Pluto or Saturn, Horus may drive rigid adherence to tradition, rejecting outsiders or change.

Example: Horus opposite Pluto in a leader’s chart might fuel a fanatical need to “protect” national identity, mirroring Nazi leaders’ distorted ideologies, though less extreme in most cases.
MH370 Context: Thomas’s point about Malaysia’s “national pride” avoiding a suicide narrative aligns with Horus’s negative over-identification, potentially reflecting Zaharie’s political posts as pride in Malaysian reform, but not necessarily suicidal intent.

Isolation and Disconnection from Higher Self:Description: Horus in the 12th house (as noted in a Tumblr comment) can lead to “hermit stages” where the native feels disconnected from their higher self, overly focused on shadow aspects or occult interests. This isolation may foster paranoia or mistrust, especially if Horus squares the Moon or Neptune.

Example: A native with Horus in Libra in the 12th square Moon might withdraw into solitary reflection, struggling to balance intuition with emotional clarity, potentially leading to self-doubt or obsession with hidden truths.
MH370 Context: Thomas’s claim of Zaharie’s “strange tendencies” (e.g., stalking models) could speculatively tie to Horus’s isolation if in the 12th house, but Aishah’s rebuttal and lack of evidence suggest these were mischaracterized social media interactions.

Over-Reliance on Intuition or Clairvoyance:Description: Horus’s link to the Eye of Horus (third eye, clairvoyance) can lead to an over-reliance on intuitive or occult insights, ignoring practical reality. Hard aspects to Mercury or Neptune may cause misjudgments or delusional visions, especially in high-stakes situations.

Example: Horus conjunct Neptune in a challenging house might lead to misguided decisions based on “visions” rather than facts, potentially causing errors in judgment.
MH370 Context: If Zaharie had Horus conjunct Mercury (speculative), his simulator practice (per Thomas) might reflect an intuitive fixation on a specific route, but this lacks evidence and could equally point to routine aviation practice.

Conflict Over Authority or Order:Description: As the “defender of order” and “uniter of two lands,” Horus can manifest negatively as an obsession with control or authority, especially in hard aspects to Saturn or Pluto. This may lead to power struggles or enforcing order at the expense of others’ freedom.

Example: Horus square Saturn might drive a native to impose rigid structures, clashing with others who challenge their authority.
MH370 Context: The pilot suicide theory’s claim of a deliberate southbound dive (Thomas) could align with Horus’s negative control, but family denials and alternative explanations (e.g., mechanical failure) make this speculative.

Comparison with Ceres’s NegativesSince your queries reference Sue Kientz’s work on Ceres’s negative aspects (destructive grief, control, neglect, emotional extremes, nationalism), Horus shares some overlap but is distinct:Shared Negatives: Both can manifest as control (Horus: authority, Ceres: manipulation) and excessive pride (Horus: heritage, Ceres: national identity). Horus’s over-identification with culture mirrors Ceres’s nationalism, especially in Kientz’s Nazi chart context.
Differences: Horus emphasizes intuitive vision and warlike defense (Eye of Horus, falcon), while Ceres focuses on nurturing and grief (agriculture, Persephone). Horus’s negatives are more action-oriented (aggression, authority), while Ceres’s are emotional (grief, depression).
MH370 Relevance: Ceres’s nationalism aligns with Malaysia’s “national pride” (per Thomas), while Horus’s pride or isolation could speculatively reflect Zaharie’s alleged behaviors, though unproven.

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Final AnswerThe negatives of asteroid Horus (1924) in astrology include:Excessive Pride and Aggression: Arrogance or hostility when heritage is challenged (e.g., Horus in 1st house square Mars).

Over-Identification with National/Cultural Identity: Obsessive or exclusionary heritage focus (e.g., Horus opposite Pluto).

Isolation and Disconnection: Withdrawal into shadow self or hermit stages (e.g., Horus in 12th house square Moon).

Over-Reliance on Intuition: Misguided decisions based on clairvoyance (e.g., Horus conjunct Neptune).

Conflict Over Authority: Power struggles or rigid control (e.g., Horus square Saturn).

In the MH370 context (March 8, 2014, 23°15' Taurus, Krittika, Mars hour), Horus’s negatives (e.g., control, pride) could speculatively align with Geoffrey Thomas’s claims of Zaharie’s deliberate act (simulator route, dive).

Horus’s over-identification parallels Ceres’s nationalism (per Sue Kientz), reflecting Malaysia’s “national pride” avoidance, while Taurus 24’s silence and Krittika’s fiery potential amplify Horus’s destructive risks, though unproven. Please provide Zaharie’s birth data or your diurnal chart’s specifics for a deeper analysis.

Taurus 24 (23°- 24°)
CHANNELLED AGGRESSION
​During early stages of development it remains crucial to establish identity, of self and tribe, by fighting for it if needed
"Channelling aggression"
One side of human nature that needs to be channelled properly instead of being denied is the natural aggressiveness and potential for violence that can arise when survival is in doubt. Those who are foreign to each other are often fearful and feel threatened by the other; it is a fact of life that must be faced. It is not at all unusual for this to spill over into competitiveness within own's own tribe.

Rudhyar:
AN INDIAN WARRIOR RIDING FIERCELY, HUMAN SCALPS HANGING FROM HIS BELT





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An Indian warrior riding fiercely, human scalps hanging from his belt
Command
mounted Indian with scalp locks
​A mounted Indian with scalp locks
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Conquest of the lower self leads to mastery and the power of command

The power of command is a quality of great worth and found in only a few exceptional people. Often such people take a pride in their appearance as a tool to convey this quality – although in the modern Western culture it is more likely to be an expensive suit than scalp locks.

There are other personal attributes that support command, and these include the power of attention. At the highest levels of attainment, senses are honed and brought to the full service of an individual’s aspirations and ambition.

Taking a position of leadership in no way removes the possibility of heart empathy – but there is a temptation often to ride roughshod over the feelings of others, and even behave ruthlessly with complete inhumanity.
Lesser or Master
The lesser person will be content to achieve conquest over an enemy – even enjoying the momentary supremacy – while the master will develop an unimpeachable conquest of the lower self, through a life path of constant discipline and self-control.

What arises as a direct result of such self-discipline is the facility to discipline others. Indeed, the ability to take a measure of control over both Nature and the future can actually unfold. Exceptional authority is the result.

In less dramatic terms, in ordinary life, we find ourselves pushed and pulled by external forces – social and physical. To deal with them satisfactorily and take command of our life requires discipline.
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The greater our power of self-control, the luckier we seem to get. It is not luck in fact – it is simply the echo of the work we have done on ourselves. Rewards come in the form of both material acquisition and development of spiritual qualities.
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Advanced Level: Elven Star Analysis
​Although we can find relevance in some way to all 360 degrees, each degree resonates particularly, and mysteriously, with the 6 other points of its Elven Star and clues, from the 7 Words System, and the Sabian Journey, are shown in the text below. This fourth degree of the Expression "Authority" is the Realisation principle.

The scope of Taurus 24 is "Channelling aggression", and its means of expansion is Libra 28, "Dawning awareness that we are part of the greater Light". Its preferred path, Aries 2, "Adjustment to feedback", leads to its principle challenge, found in Virgo 6, "Finding poise amidst emotional turbulence".

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Interpret Taurus 24 in ContextThe Taurus 24 sabian symbol, as per Rudhyar, is “An Indian warrior riding fiercely, human scalps hanging from his belt.” This symbol encapsulates themes of channeled aggression, conquest, and the development of self-discipline to achieve mastery. Let’s break down the interpretation and apply it to the context of MH370’s takeoff:

Channeled Aggression: The symbol suggests harnessing primal instincts, such as aggression or survival-driven impulses, into disciplined action. In the context of a flight’s takeoff, this could metaphorically represent the controlled power of the aircraft, the precision of the pilots, and the crew’s disciplined execution under pressure. The “warrior” aspect may reflect the pilots’ focus and command in navigating the complex task of launching a Boeing 777 into the night sky.

Conquest of the Lower Self: The higher expression of this degree involves self-mastery rather than external domination. For MH370, this could symbolize the crew’s training and professionalism, overcoming personal fears or distractions to ensure a safe departure. The “scalps” symbolize victories over challenges, perhaps the routine yet critical tasks of pre-flight checks and adherence to protocol.
Leadership and Command: The degree emphasizes exceptional authority and discipline. The pilots, as leaders of the flight, embody this quality, taking responsibility for hundreds of passengers. However, the caution against ruthlessness or lack of empathy might hint at the need for balance—technical precision must coexist with care for human lives.
Self-Discipline and External Forces: The degree speaks to managing external pressures (social, physical) through self-control. For MH370, this could reflect the crew’s ability to operate within the constraints of air traffic control, weather conditions, and operational protocols at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

Step 3: Connect to Broader Astrological FrameworkYou mention connections to other degrees, which seem to form a cross-referencing system for Taurus 24’s expression:Libra 28 (“Dawning awareness that we are part of the greater Light”): This suggests Taurus 24’s aggression or discipline can expand through a realization of interconnectedness and higher purpose. For MH370, this might symbolize the collective human endeavor of aviation—pilots, crew, and passengers united in the shared goal of safe travel, part of a larger global network.
Aries 2 (“Adjustment to feedback”): This indicates Taurus 24’s path involves adaptability and responsiveness. In the flight context, this could reflect the pilots’ need to adjust to real-time data (e.g., instruments, air traffic control communications) during takeoff, ensuring precise execution.
Virgo 6 (“Finding poise amidst emotional turbulence”): This represents the challenge of maintaining calm and focus under stress. For MH370, this could point to the crew’s need to remain composed during the critical takeoff phase, despite any underlying pressures or unforeseen issues.

Step 4: Apply to MH370The takeoff of MH370 at 12:42 a.m. (23°15' Taurus) aligns with Taurus 24’s themes. The flight’s departure was a moment of disciplined execution, with pilots channeling their training (aggression in a controlled form) to command the aircraft. The sabian symbol’s emphasis on self-mastery resonates with the precision required for a successful takeoff. However, the caution against ruthlessness or lack of empathy might raise questions about human factors—e.g., crew dynamics or decision-making under pressure—though no specific evidence from MH370’s takeoff suggests such issues.???

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Taurus 24: A mounted Indian with scalp locks
Gathering tokens of power...


Throughout the symbol series Taurus 21-25, a tendency to withdraw from social or public opinion develops.

It is as if one cannot relate to the machinations of publicity and recognition... or at least that there is little active interest in being center stage or publicly prominent.

This can result in issues of worth and challenges of adapting to the condescending attitude of others. Without public praise, without someone acknowledging one's worth and talent, it can become a lonely island subject to feelings of inferiority.

The usual psycho-dynamic though when inferiority operates as a complex within, is that one compensates with loudness and inflated superiority without. In this series of symbols, and especially Taurus 24, this may not be the case.

The Indian mounted with scalp locks nurtures an inner pride that is not so needy for the attention of others... I stress 'not so needy' because it is only human to feed an inner pride while at the same time holding the outside world in contempt.

Blain Bovee

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Final Answer

In Degree Theory, 23°–24° Taurus (Taurus 24) blends Taurus’s stability with Aquarius’s (23°) innovation and Pisces’s (24°) sensitivity, suggesting grounded efforts disrupted by sudden changes or emotional depth. For MH370, this reflects a stable takeoff with an undercurrent of unpredictability. In Vedic Astrology, the equivalent ~0°–1° Taurus falls in Krittika nakshatra, ruled by the Sun, emphasizing disciplined leadership and purification, with a risk of destructive outcomes if misdirected. The degree aligns with the Sabian symbol’s “channeled aggression,” depicting MH370’s takeoff as a precise, controlled act within a larger, mysterious narrative. The connections to Libra 28 (interconnectedness), Aries 2 (adaptability), and Virgo 6 (poise) enrich the interpretation, highlighting the flight’s place in a complex system. If you have specific videos or further details, please share for deeper analysis.

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Omega Symbol: “A man cataloging thousands of different types of microbes” (Interacting/Responsible)Interpretation: This symbol reflects a meticulous, disciplined effort to understand the unseen, microscopic world, emphasizing Taurus’s grounded persistence and attention to detail. The act of cataloging microbes suggests a deep curiosity about life’s hidden mechanisms, with a responsibility to use this knowledge for the benefit of others (e.g., healing or protection) rather than for personal intellectual gratification. It aligns with Taurus 24’s theme of inner pride (per Bovee) and self-discipline, as the researcher derives power from mastering complex, intangible systems without seeking public acclaim.
Key Themes: Precision, responsibility, understanding hidden forces, and contributing to collective well-being. The “zoo in a drop of water” and the researcher as an “invisible giant” evoke a sense of humility and awe at life’s complexity, resonating with the withdrawal from public validation seen in the Taurus 21–25 series.

Chandra Symbol: “A man with no mouth”Interpretation: This symbol represents profound independence, particularly from verbal communication or external sustenance. The “man with no mouth” relies on inner resources, acting rather than speaking, and embodies a primal self-sufficiency. It suggests a focus on tangible results over conceptual debates, aligning with Taurus’s earthy pragmatism and Krittika’s decisive action. The silence also implies introspection, aligning with Bovee’s idea of inner pride that doesn’t crave external praise.
Key Themes: Silence as strength, action over words, and transcending basic needs to focus on deeper purpose.

Connection Between Symbols: Both symbols emphasize inner focus and mastery over subtle or hidden domains (microbes, silence). The Omega symbol’s cataloging reflects intellectual discipline, while the Chandra symbol’s silence underscores self-contained power. Together, they depict Taurus 24 as a degree of quiet competence, where power is derived from understanding and mastering the unseen without needing external validation.

Integration with Previous InterpretationsSabian Symbol (Bovee/Rudhyar): “A mounted Indian with scalp locks” (gathering tokens of power)Bovee’s interpretation of inner pride and withdrawal from public recognition aligns with the Omega symbol’s researcher, who works diligently without seeking fame, and the Chandra symbol’s silent figure, who acts without words. The “scalp locks” as tokens of power parallel the cataloged microbes as tokens of knowledge—both represent personal victories earned through discipline.
Rudhyar’s emphasis on “channeled aggression” connects to the researcher’s focused effort and the silent man’s purposeful action, reinforcing Taurus 24’s theme of controlled, internalized strength.

Degree Theory:23° Taurus: Linked to Aquarius, suggesting innovation or disruption within stability. The cataloging of microbes reflects an innovative approach to understanding life’s hidden layers, while the “man with no mouth” suggests a break from conventional communication, aligning with Aquarius’s unconventionality.
24° Taurus: Associated with Pisces, adding sensitivity and transcendence. This complements the Omega symbol’s healing potential (microbes for medical advancement) and the Chandra symbol’s transcendence of basic needs, emphasizing spiritual or introspective power.
MH370 Context: At 23°15' Taurus, MH370’s takeoff embodies the disciplined, silent competence of the crew (Chandra: action over words) and the meticulous preparation akin to cataloging (Omega). The Aquarius/Pisces influences hint at the unexpected disruption that followed, aligning with the flight’s mysterious fate.

Vedic Astrology (Krittika Nakshatra):~0°–1° Taurus Vedic (23°–24° Taurus Tropical) falls in Krittika, ruled by the Sun, symbolized by a razor or flame, and associated with Agni (fire). Krittika’s themes of purification, leadership, and precision align with the Omega symbol’s cataloging (systematic mastery) and the Chandra symbol’s silence (self-contained authority).
Destructive Potential: As discussed, Krittika’s fiery energy can be destructive when misdirected—e.g., through overconfidence, rigid focus, or unchecked aggression. The “razor” can cut too deeply, and Agni’s fire can consume rather than purify. For MH370, this might reflect a precise takeoff undermined by an unseen, destructive force (e.g., technical failure or human error), paralleling the “man with no mouth” failing to communicate a critical issue or the cataloging missing a key detail.

Krittika’s Destructive Potential in Taurus 24 ContextKrittika’s destructive tendencies (previously detailed) arise from its fiery intensity, sharp precision, and Sun-ruled ego, which can lead to:Overfocus on Detail: The Omega symbol’s cataloging, if overly obsessive, could miss broader contexts, leading to errors (e.g., a researcher ignoring a critical microbe’s impact). In MH370, meticulous pre-flight checks (Taurus/Krittika) might have overlooked a subtle but catastrophic issue.
Silence as Isolation: The Chandra symbol’s “man with no mouth” could symbolize a failure to communicate critical information. For MH370, this might reflect a breakdown in crew communication or with air traffic control, allowing Krittika’s “razor” to “cut” the flight’s trajectory into chaos.
Examples:MH370: The takeoff at 23°15' Taurus (Krittika) was precise, but Krittika’s destructive potential could manifest as an overconfident system (e.g., autopilot reliance) or a “cutting” event (e.g., navigation failure), leading to the flight’s loss.
General: A Krittika-driven leader (e.g., Sun at 0° Taurus Vedic) might push a team too hard, “burning” morale, or a scientist cataloging microbes might focus so narrowly that they miss a dangerous pathogen, causing harm.

MH370 and Taurus 24For MH370’s takeoff at 23°15' Taurus:Omega Symbol: The crew’s preparation mirrors the “man cataloging microbes,” with meticulous attention to flight systems (a “zoo” of technical details). The responsibility to passengers reflects the healing potential, but a missed detail (Krittika’s destructive edge) could have contributed to the tragedy.
Chandra Symbol: The “man with no mouth” suggests the crew’s silent competence during takeoff, relying on action (instrument checks, protocols) over words. However, a failure to “speak” (e.g., report an anomaly) might align with Krittika’s isolating tendencies.
Bovee’s Inner Pride: The crew’s professionalism reflects Taurus 24’s self-contained strength, but the withdrawal from external validation could symbolize a system (aviation protocols) too insular to catch external risks.
Connections to Other Degrees:Libra 28 (~4°–5° Libra Vedic, Swati): The “greater Light” of interconnectedness might have been missed if Krittika’s focus isolated the crew from external input.
Aries 2 (~8°–9° Pisces Vedic, Uttara Bhadrapada): Failure to “adjust to feedback” could reflect Krittika’s rigidity, missing critical signals.
Virgo 6 (~12°–13° Leo Vedic, Magha): The challenge of “poise amidst turbulence” might indicate Krittika’s intensity overwhelming calm, leading to a destructive outcome.

Final Answer

The Taurus 24 Omega Symbol (“A man cataloging thousands of different types of microbes”) reflects disciplined, responsible exploration of hidden systems, while the Chandra Symbol (“A man with no mouth”) emphasizes silent, self-sufficient action. Both align with Krittika nakshatra (~0°–1° Taurus Vedic, equivalent to 23°–24° Taurus Tropical), where Sun-ruled precision and Agni’s fire drive leadership and purification. Krittika’s destructive potential stems from its fiery intensity, sharp “razor” focus, and potential for overconfidence or isolation, which can manifest as:Overfocus:
Isolation: Silence (Chandra) leading to communication breakdowns (e.g., MH370’s loss of contact).
Examples: A leader burning out a team, a scientist overlooking a pathogen, or MH370’s precise takeoff (~23°15' Taurus) undone by an unseen “cutting” force (e.g., technical error). For MH370, Taurus 24’s inner pride and Krittika’s discipline reflect the crew’s competence, but the destructive potential hints at a missed or misdirected detail leading to tragedy.

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In the context of Taurus 24 (23°15' Taurus, Krittika), the theory aligns with the Chandra (“man with no mouth”) silence and Omega (“cataloging microbes”) meticulousness, reflecting Zaharie’s competence but suggesting a speculative destructive focus (Krittika’s fire)

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12:41 AM local time on March 8, 2014. Malaysia is in the Malaysia Time Zone (MYT), which is UTC+8. Therefore, the takeoff time in GMT (UTC) was:12:41 AM MYT - 8 hours = 4:41 PM GMT on March 7, 2014.This is confirmed by multiple sources, including official reports and timelines

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9th CUSP - ARIES 24

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ARIES 24
A harp which plays itself.

Selfish, Self Absorbed, Self Obsessed