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GROWTH & CHANGE - Or not and remains Silly & Childish
lonsdale
GEMINI 17
A magic coin that has only one side.
Bland realism as complete cover-up. Masquerading in whichever style and form disarms and deflects and confuses and confounds. Preferring to portray yourself as plain, straightforward, and as basic as can be. The ruse is that if you consistently blow yourself up to be a commonsensical character people shall look at you lightly, no probing. This frees up the subconscious mind to frolic impetuously, almost randomly. And if anybody ever inquired into the motivating spark behind the subconscious play and abandon, you would find a future soul discovering ways to entertain itself and keep it going, but exceedingly aware of the tides of events, awaiting the first cue to explode the personality and get on with the future for real.
JFK - Sun
Epping Hotel Demo 25/8/25 - Asc of Equinox
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Blaine Bovee
Source: The Sabian Symbols: An Astropoetic Formulation
Symbol: "The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker."
Interpretation: Bovee reworks it poetically: “A spark flares, then steadies… youth’s chatter turns to wisdom’s echo.” He sees Gemini 17° as “a shift from noise to knowing,” where Gemini’s quick mind deepens into “a flame of insight.” It’s “bold thought ripening”— risking stagnation, but offering “a bridge from play to purpose.” The transformation reflects mental growth.
Gemini at 17° refines—CURIOUSITY matures into clarity.
John Sandbach
Source: The Circular Temple (Chandra Symbols)
Omega Symbol: "A magic ladder made of glowing wood."
Keyword: Manifesting/Inspired
Interpretation: Sandbach offers “a shimmering ascent,” where “glowing wood” suggests Gemini’s ideas taking tangible form. Gemini 17° is “manifesting dreams through inspired steps”—communication lifts to new heights, blending “playful exploration with mystical reach.” It’s Gemini’s agility scaling—risking overreach, but achieving “graceful elevation.”
Context: Gemini’s versatility at 17° climbs—thought sparks upward.
Ellias Lonsdale
Source: Inside Degrees (1997, building on Sandbach’s Chandra Symbols)
Symbol: "A magic ladder made of glowing wood."
Interpretation: Lonsdale deepens it: “You climb what shouldn’t hold… each rung a dare, a leap to what’s beyond.” He frames Gemini 17° as “a restless soul scaling the unseen,” where “the self chases light through words.” It’s “primal curiosity defying limits”—risking a fall, but offering “transcendence through motion.” The ladder is both quest and risk.
Context: Gemini at 17° dares—duality seeks the ethereal.
Marc Edmund Jones
Source: The Sabian Symbols in Astrology (1953)
Symbol: "The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker."
Interpretation: Jones describes this as “a symbol of intellectual growth,” where “mental powers evolve through experience.” Gemini 17° is “a transition to deeper understanding”—Gemini’s chatter matures into insight, reflecting “potential fulfilled.” The keyword is Development—quick wit slows to wisdom, risking rigidity, but gaining depth.
Context: Gemini’s mind at 17° grows—communication gains weight.
Dane Rudhyar
Source: An Astrological Mandala (1973, refining Jones’s Sabian Symbols)
Symbol: "The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker."
Interpretation: Rudhyar rephrases it: “The transformation of physical vitality into the power of the mind,” where “consciousness shifts from instinct to reason.” Gemini 17° is “a stage of mental evolution”—Gemini’s duality integrates, “unlocking creative thought.” The keyword is Transmutation—energy refines, risking loss of spontaneity, but fostering “intellectual potency.”
Context: Gemini at 17° evolves—curiosity becomes wisdom.
Synthesis and Comparison
Bovee: “Youth to thinker”—poetic shift, wisdom’s echo.
Sandbach: “Magic ladder”—inspired ascent, glowing steps.
Lonsdale: “Glowing ladder”—daring climb, transcendent leap.
Jones: “Youth to thinker”—developmental growth, deepened mind.
Rudhyar: “Vitality to mind”—transmuted power, evolved thought.
Gemini Themes at 17°:
Communication: Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar—words mature from play to purpose.
Duality: Sandbach, Lonsdale—ladder bridges high and low, risk and gain.
Growth: All reflect mid-Gemini’s arc—17° refines 16°’s “woman activist” (Rudhyar: zeal) or “weaving spider” (Sandbach: craft) into wisdom or ascent.
Progression: Gemini 17° moves past 16°’s activism or intricacy—it’s thought stabilizing (thinker) or soaring (ladder), balancing Gemini’s air with depth.
Opinion: Bovee’s “ripening” and Rudhyar’s “transmutation” ground Gemini 17° in mental evolution, while Sandbach and Lonsdale’s “ladder” lift it with ethereal flair—Jones ties both. Lonsdale’s daring edge captures Gemini’s restless spark—17° feels like Gemini finding its stride. How does this blend of growth and ascent strike you for Gemini 17°? Want famous charts or more?
Gemini 17° The head of health dissolved into the head of mentality
This is a symbol of man’s achievement on the level of spiritual or eternal fellowship with his kind, here emphasized subjectively as a focus of selfhood in conscious self-awareness and as a capacity to live the lives of all men in imagination and appreciation. Implicit in the symbolism is the foundation of any human well-being in everyday or immediate and practical fact, with well-rounded individuality made the condition of all real progress.
The keyword is DEVELOPMENT.
When positive, the degree is the effective orientation of selfhood in an over-all vision, and when negative, a defeat of accomplishment by a senseless CLINGING to the ILLUSIONS of YOUTH.
National Flag Waving in UK - Equinox ASC
Reform Party V.Popular
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BAD DEGREE???
17º Gemini: A blind giant in full armour hitting out wildly with a huge battle-axe at nothing.
Denotes one who overestimates his power and who rushes into quarrels from which no good can be
obtained. After trouble and waste of energy he may find to his chagrin that he has gained nothing by
his adventures but the reward of folly. It is a symbol of Blundering. - kozminsky
MATTHEWS - Most people concerned with this degree seem to be
DREAMY or IMPRACTICAL.
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SepharielIt denotes one who will come to some untimely end through the hands of another. It shows the nature to be unpractical and the pursuits of the native to be mostly, vain and of no lasting benefit
It shows loss of powers, during lifetime, and perhaps loss of faculties. It is a degree of IMPOTENCE
Heathrow Fire
GROWTH & CHANGE - Or not and remains Silly & Childish
lonsdale
GEMINI 17
A magic coin that has only one side.
Bland realism as complete cover-up. Masquerading in whichever style and form disarms and deflects and confuses and confounds. Preferring to portray yourself as plain, straightforward, and as basic as can be. The ruse is that if you consistently blow yourself up to be a commonsensical character people shall look at you lightly, no probing. This frees up the subconscious mind to frolic impetuously, almost randomly. And if anybody ever inquired into the motivating spark behind the subconscious play and abandon, you would find a future soul discovering ways to entertain itself and keep it going, but exceedingly aware of the tides of events, awaiting the first cue to explode the personality and get on with the future for real.
JFK - Sun
Epping Hotel Demo 25/8/25 - Asc of Equinox
============================================
Blaine Bovee
Source: The Sabian Symbols: An Astropoetic Formulation
Symbol: "The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker."
Interpretation: Bovee reworks it poetically: “A spark flares, then steadies… youth’s chatter turns to wisdom’s echo.” He sees Gemini 17° as “a shift from noise to knowing,” where Gemini’s quick mind deepens into “a flame of insight.” It’s “bold thought ripening”— risking stagnation, but offering “a bridge from play to purpose.” The transformation reflects mental growth.
Gemini at 17° refines—CURIOUSITY matures into clarity.
John Sandbach
Source: The Circular Temple (Chandra Symbols)
Omega Symbol: "A magic ladder made of glowing wood."
Keyword: Manifesting/Inspired
Interpretation: Sandbach offers “a shimmering ascent,” where “glowing wood” suggests Gemini’s ideas taking tangible form. Gemini 17° is “manifesting dreams through inspired steps”—communication lifts to new heights, blending “playful exploration with mystical reach.” It’s Gemini’s agility scaling—risking overreach, but achieving “graceful elevation.”
Context: Gemini’s versatility at 17° climbs—thought sparks upward.
Ellias Lonsdale
Source: Inside Degrees (1997, building on Sandbach’s Chandra Symbols)
Symbol: "A magic ladder made of glowing wood."
Interpretation: Lonsdale deepens it: “You climb what shouldn’t hold… each rung a dare, a leap to what’s beyond.” He frames Gemini 17° as “a restless soul scaling the unseen,” where “the self chases light through words.” It’s “primal curiosity defying limits”—risking a fall, but offering “transcendence through motion.” The ladder is both quest and risk.
Context: Gemini at 17° dares—duality seeks the ethereal.
Marc Edmund Jones
Source: The Sabian Symbols in Astrology (1953)
Symbol: "The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker."
Interpretation: Jones describes this as “a symbol of intellectual growth,” where “mental powers evolve through experience.” Gemini 17° is “a transition to deeper understanding”—Gemini’s chatter matures into insight, reflecting “potential fulfilled.” The keyword is Development—quick wit slows to wisdom, risking rigidity, but gaining depth.
Context: Gemini’s mind at 17° grows—communication gains weight.
Dane Rudhyar
Source: An Astrological Mandala (1973, refining Jones’s Sabian Symbols)
Symbol: "The head of a robust youth changes into that of a mature thinker."
Interpretation: Rudhyar rephrases it: “The transformation of physical vitality into the power of the mind,” where “consciousness shifts from instinct to reason.” Gemini 17° is “a stage of mental evolution”—Gemini’s duality integrates, “unlocking creative thought.” The keyword is Transmutation—energy refines, risking loss of spontaneity, but fostering “intellectual potency.”
Context: Gemini at 17° evolves—curiosity becomes wisdom.
Synthesis and Comparison
Bovee: “Youth to thinker”—poetic shift, wisdom’s echo.
Sandbach: “Magic ladder”—inspired ascent, glowing steps.
Lonsdale: “Glowing ladder”—daring climb, transcendent leap.
Jones: “Youth to thinker”—developmental growth, deepened mind.
Rudhyar: “Vitality to mind”—transmuted power, evolved thought.
Gemini Themes at 17°:
Communication: Bovee, Jones, Rudhyar—words mature from play to purpose.
Duality: Sandbach, Lonsdale—ladder bridges high and low, risk and gain.
Growth: All reflect mid-Gemini’s arc—17° refines 16°’s “woman activist” (Rudhyar: zeal) or “weaving spider” (Sandbach: craft) into wisdom or ascent.
Progression: Gemini 17° moves past 16°’s activism or intricacy—it’s thought stabilizing (thinker) or soaring (ladder), balancing Gemini’s air with depth.
Opinion: Bovee’s “ripening” and Rudhyar’s “transmutation” ground Gemini 17° in mental evolution, while Sandbach and Lonsdale’s “ladder” lift it with ethereal flair—Jones ties both. Lonsdale’s daring edge captures Gemini’s restless spark—17° feels like Gemini finding its stride. How does this blend of growth and ascent strike you for Gemini 17°? Want famous charts or more?
Gemini 17° The head of health dissolved into the head of mentality
This is a symbol of man’s achievement on the level of spiritual or eternal fellowship with his kind, here emphasized subjectively as a focus of selfhood in conscious self-awareness and as a capacity to live the lives of all men in imagination and appreciation. Implicit in the symbolism is the foundation of any human well-being in everyday or immediate and practical fact, with well-rounded individuality made the condition of all real progress.
The keyword is DEVELOPMENT.
When positive, the degree is the effective orientation of selfhood in an over-all vision, and when negative, a defeat of accomplishment by a senseless CLINGING to the ILLUSIONS of YOUTH.
National Flag Waving in UK - Equinox ASC
Reform Party V.Popular
========================================================================
BAD DEGREE???
17º Gemini: A blind giant in full armour hitting out wildly with a huge battle-axe at nothing.
Denotes one who overestimates his power and who rushes into quarrels from which no good can be
obtained. After trouble and waste of energy he may find to his chagrin that he has gained nothing by
his adventures but the reward of folly. It is a symbol of Blundering. - kozminsky
MATTHEWS - Most people concerned with this degree seem to be
DREAMY or IMPRACTICAL.
------------------------------------------
SepharielIt denotes one who will come to some untimely end through the hands of another. It shows the nature to be unpractical and the pursuits of the native to be mostly, vain and of no lasting benefit
It shows loss of powers, during lifetime, and perhaps loss of faculties. It is a degree of IMPOTENCE
Heathrow Fire