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Here the event 'time' on the chart occurs at 16 Pisces very close to Chiron of all things. Its interesting because its many detractors often suggest Brexit is a 'self inflicted wound' from which we'll never really recover - which of course Chiron himself never did.

Degree 16 Pisces tends to go its own way following its own truth so the search for independence makes sense here esp. in regard to the vote itself. Neptune was on this degree during the rebellion against Covid jabs etc.



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MO/CU Midpoint as a Focal Point in Uranian Astrology

In Uranian astrology (Hamburg School), the MO/CU midpoint (Moon/Cupido) represents a concentrated "focal point" where emotional, public, and relational energies converge, often interpreted through planetary pictures (e.g., MO/CU = other factors). The Moon (MO) symbolizes the people, emotions, the feminine/public sphere, and instinctive rhythms; Cupido (CU), a Transneptunian Point, governs unions, marriages, groups, societies, families, and harmonious integrations (artistic or social). Their midpoint blends these into themes of emotional bonding within collectives—keywords like "Betrothed. Wedding. The Bride" evoke commitment, nuptial rites, and feminine receptivity in relational contexts.

Mundane Political Interpretation

In mundane astrology (world events, nations, politics), MO/CU as a focal point highlights public or national unions with emotional resonance, where the "people" (Moon) enter binding alliances or ceremonies symbolizing societal cohesion. It often manifests as:State-sponsored betrothals or weddings: Royal or elite marriages sealing political pacts (e.g., historical dynastic unions like the 1469 marriage of Isabella of Castile and Ferdinand of Aragon, uniting Spain and averting civil war—echoing MO/CU's "betrothed" harmony amid public emotion).

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Symbolic "marriages" of factions: Coalition formations, treaties, or referendums fostering national unity, with the "bride" archetype representing the receptive nation or populace yielding to a union for stability (e.g., post-WWII alliances like NATO's 1949 founding, blending emotional public relief with group integration).
Feminine/public focus: Emphasis on women's roles in politics (e.g., queens or female leaders as "brides" of the state) or mass movements for relational rights, where emotional tides (Moon) drive collective commitments (CU). Negative: Forced unions or emotional betrayals in diplomacy, like arranged political marriages leading to resentment.

This focal point activates during ingresses/transits, signaling periods of societal "vows" that emotionally bind groups, often with ceremonial flair.

Modern InterpretationIn contemporary contexts (post-20th century), MO/CU evolves beyond literal matrimony to inclusive, fluid unions reflecting diverse identities and global connectivity:

Social justice "weddings": Public endorsements of equality, like same-sex marriage legalizations (e.g., U.S. Obergefell v. Hodges, 2015—MO/CU vibes in emotional public celebrations of "betrothed" rights, with the "bride" as a metaphor for marginalized voices entering the fold).
Corporate/political mergers: Emotional public reactions to consolidations (e.g., tech giants' acquisitions like Disney-Fox, 2019, "marrying" brands amid consumer sentiment; or party coalitions in elections, blending voter "emotions" with strategic alliances).
Digital/global "betrothals": Viral social media campaigns or international pacts on climate/human rights, where the "people" (Moon) digitally unite (CU as modern groups). The "bride" updates to empowered femininity—e.g., #MeToo as a collective "vow" against relational betrayal.
Challenges: Superficial bonds (e.g., performative allyship) or emotional backlash against unions (e.g., Brexit's "divorce" from EU, inverting MO/CU harmony).

Overall, it calls for nurturing collective commitments with empathy, warning against fleeting emotions eroding bonds. For a specific chart/transit, aspects to MO/CU refine this (e.g., = Venus: romantic diplomacy).

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Examples of MO/CU Transits in Uranian AstrologyIn Uranian astrology, transits to the MO/CU (Moon/Cupido) midpoint activate themes of emotional unions, collective bonding, and public commitments, often manifesting as relational or societal "vows." These can be literal (e.g., marriages) or symbolic (e.g., alliances, policy integrations). Below are illustrative examples, drawn from natal, progressed, and mundane contexts. Interpretations vary by orb (typically 1–2°), house, and accompanying pictures (e.g., MO/CU = Venus for harmony).Natal/Progressed ExamplesTransit Venus = MO/CU: Sparks romantic or harmonious partnerships with emotional depth. For instance, in a natal chart, this transit might coincide with a proposal or deepening family ties. Progressed MO/CU = Venus could indicate conception or family expansion, as noted in medical astrology where it hints at "a woman with many children or one desiring a family."

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Positive: Joyful integrations; negative: Over-idealized bonds leading to disillusion.
Transit Mars = MO/CU: Energizes assertive commitments but risks conflict in groups. Example: A progressed Mars hitting MO/CU might trigger a passionate elopement or heated family merger, echoing "conception" themes when combined with Zeus (Mo-Cu/Ze).

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In synastry, it fuels dynamic couple chemistry.

Mundane Political ExamplesTransit Jupiter = MO/CU in Ingress Charts: Expands public unions or national "marriages" (e.g., coalitions). In the 1999 Sidereal Capricorn Ingress (Jan 15), MO/CU = CU/AP highlighted emotional public alignments (e.g., EU expansions or diplomatic pacts), with the Aries axis on the MC amplifying visibility for Washington, DC—correlating to NATO interventions fostering "group vows."

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This transit often signals optimistic societal integrations, like referendums on unity.
Transit Saturn = MO/CU: Imposes structure or limitations on collective emotions, such as restrictive family policies or alliance strains. Example: During the 2016 Brexit vote, Saturn's transit to the UK's MO/CU (in progressed ingresses) symbolized the "divorce" of emotional public bonds from the EU, inverting harmony into separation—echoing Cupido's group themes under Saturn's weight.

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Negative: Emotional austerity measures; positive: Enduring institutional reforms.

Modern Transit Example (Personal/Mundane Blend)Transit Pluto = MO/CU (2020s): Transforms deep emotional ties in groups, often through power shifts. For the UK royal family chart, Pluto's slow transit (exact ~2023–2025) to MO/CU has coincided with scandals and restructurings (e.g., Andrew's title revocation), forcing "betrothed" public images to evolve amid collective reckoning—modernizing the "bride" archetype to include accountability in elite unions.

These transits emphasize MO/CU's call for empathetic integration; track via dials or software like Solar Fire for precision. For a specific date/chart, provide details!

Dec 25, 2011 starts at 8.46 cancer and ends 7 years later at 28°03’ Cancers on Dec 25 2018 At what degree is June 23rd, 2016 (BREXIT VOTE)


Final Answer
The astrological degree on BREXIT VOTE on June 23, 2016, is approximately 21°10’ CANCER!.
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NOW- 2025 SYNAGOGUE ATTACK

Dec 25, 2018 starts at 27.54 Cancer and ends 7 years later at 26°01’ Leo on Dec 25 2025 At what degree is October 3rd, 2025?

Event Point is 25°06' Leo

To arrive at this: The position advances linearly over 7 years (2,557 days) from 27°54' Cancer (117°54' absolute) to 26°01' Leo (146°01' absolute), a span of 28°07'. The elapsed time to October 3, 2025, is 2,474 days, or 2,474/2,557 ≈ 0.9675 of the period. Thus, advance 28°07' × 0.9675 ≈ 27°12', so 117°54' + 27°12' = 145°06', or 25°06' Leo.





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Okay, let's clarify and proceed strictly with the fixed 84-year cycle, completely disregarding the actual astronomical Uranus return period, as you've requested. This approach aligns with a specific interpretive method, such as that sometimes used in symbolic progression systems where a fixed time period is applied.
We will use the coronation date of December 25, 1066, for William the Conqueror, and apply a precise 84-year interval for each cycle. The key adjustment is still for the calendar change from Julian to Gregorian, which occurred in Great Britain in September 1752.
Fixed 84-year cycles from December 25, 1066
For returns before September 1752, the Julian calendar applies. For returns after September 1752, the Gregorian calendar applies, and the date itself is considered directly translated (i.e., December 25 in Julian is treated as the equivalent December 25 in Gregorian, without the astronomical correction for the 11 skipped days, as per the fixed cycle request).
Cycle # Start Date End Date (Fixed 84-Year Cycle) Calendar Notes
0 Dec 25, 1066 N/A Julian Coronation of William the Conqueror
1 N/A Dec 25, 1150 Julian
2 N/A Dec 25, 1234 Julian
3 N/A Dec 25, 1318 Julian
4 N/A Dec 25, 1402 Julian
5 N/A Dec 25, 1486 Julian
6 N/A Dec 25, 1570 Julian
7 N/A Dec 25, 1654 Julian
8 N/A Dec 25, 1738 Julian Last full cycle before calendar change
9 N/A Dec 25, 1822 Gregorian First full cycle return after calendar change (Sept 1752 occurred)
10 N/A Dec 25, 1906 Gregorian
11 N/A Dec 25, 1990 Gregorian
12 N/A Dec 25, 2074 Gregorian
13 N/A Dec 25, 2158 Gregorian
14 N/A Dec 25, 2242 Gregorian
This table lists the exact calendar date for each fixed 84-year cycle return from the December 25, 1066 coronation, consistently applying the 84-year interval regardless of astronomical alignment or calendar type (other than the Julian to Gregorian conversion point).




To determine the 84-year cycles of Alan Leo based on a fixed 84-year period starting with William the Conqueror's coronation on December 25, 1066, you would simply add 84 years to the previous date, taking into account the Julian and Gregorian calendar changes in England.
The calendar switch occurred in Britain in September 1752, when 11 days were omitted from the calendar, meaning September 2 was followed by September 14.
Here are the years of each cycle return, based on a fixed 84-year period from December 25, 1066, and noting the relevant calendar:
Cycle Year (Calendar)
Start December 25, 1066 (Julian)
1st December 25, 1150 (Julian)
2nd December 25, 1234 (Julian)
3rd December 25, 1318 (Julian)
4th December 25, 1402 (Julian)
5th December 25, 1486 (Julian)
6th December 25, 1570 (Julian)
7th December 25, 1654 (Julian)
8th December 25, 1738 (Julian)
9th December 25, 1822 (Gregorian)
10th December 25, 1906 (Gregorian)
11th December 25, 1990 (Gregorian)
12th December 25, 2074 (Gregorian)

Note: For returns after 1752, the specific date of December 25 in the Gregorian calendar maintains the fixed 84-year interval according to Alan Leo's interpretation, rather than aligning with the exact astronomical Uranus return, which involves more complex calculations to compensate for the calendar shift.
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ts just that when i do a solar return say for 2025 it auto goes to Dec 31 instead of Dec 25 - why
Your confusion arises from the difference between a simple, fixed calendar calculation and an accurate, astronomical solar return calculation.
A fixed 84-year cycle from a coronation date is a symbolic technique that adds a fixed amount of time (84 years) to the starting calendar date. It is a simple, non-astronomical calculation.
A solar return chart, which is what your software is calculating, is an astronomical event. It marks the exact moment the Sun returns to the precise degree, minute, and second it occupied at the time of birth.
The reason your software shows a different date for the solar return is that a complete orbital period for the Earth is not exactly 365 days.
Why the date shifts for a solar return
The length of a year is not exactly 365 days. The Earth's solar year is approximately 365.2425 days. Because our Gregorian calendar rounds this to 365 days (with a leap year every four years to correct), the Sun's exact return to its original position shifts by nearly six hours every year.
The effect of leap years. This annual shift is typically corrected by a leap year. So, for a person born on December 25, the solar return might fall on December 24, December 25, or December 26 in any given year. For a historical event in 1066, this effect is compounded over centuries.
The Julian to Gregorian calendar shift. Your software will use the precise astronomical position of the Sun at the moment of the 1066 coronation, based on the Julian calendar. It will then calculate the 2025 solar return based on the Gregorian calendar, correcting for the difference in the calendar systems over the intervening centuries. The skipped 11 days in 1752, plus the cumulative effect of the orbital discrepancy over 959 years, would create a significant difference in the calendar date of the astronomical solar return.
A solar return is not a birthday. While the solar return is considered an "astrological birthday," it's not the same as your calendar birthday. Your software is performing the proper astronomical calculation, which is why it gives a different date than a fixed calendar interval would.
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You're very welcome. It's a common point of confusion when first working with the precise, astronomical nature of celestial movements, especially when dealing with historical dates and calendar changes.
Understanding this distinction is a crucial step for anyone delving deeper into astrology:
Fixed cycles (like Alan Leo's 84-year progression) are a symbolic and interpretive layer based on a regular, consistent time interval.
Returns (like the Solar Return or Uranus Return) are based on the planets' actual, slightly irregular, astronomical movements.
If you have any more questions about solar returns, historical charts, or specific cycles, feel free to ask!


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do the same with the us sibley chart 84 yr cycles beginning at 12.20 sagittarius
Using the Sibley chart for the United States, we can calculate the 84-year cycles based on a fixed cycle as interpreted from Alan Leo's methods. The Sibley chart uses the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, at approximately 5:10 p.m. LMT in Philadelphia. The Ascendant (rising sign) is at 12°20' Sagittarius.
The 84-year cycles of the Sibley chart, beginning from the national founding, are:
Start: July 4, 1776 (The founding event of the United States)
1st Cycle Return: July 4, 1860. This period preceded the start of the American Civil War, which began in April 1861. It was a time of immense national tension and division, with the election of Abraham Lincoln that November serving as a catalyst for secession.
2nd Cycle Return: July 4, 1944. This return coincided with a pivotal moment in World War II. It occurred less than a month after D-Day, and the United States was deeply engaged in a global conflict that would cement its role as a world superpower.
3rd Cycle Return: July 4, 2028. This upcoming cycle is expected to bring a period of significant societal and technological change, and it coincides with the ongoing shift of Uranus into Gemini, which began in 2025. Astrologers often interpret Uranus returns as times of radical upheaval, innovation, and change, which have historically aligned with major conflicts for the U.S..
Interpretation of the Sibley chart cycles
For the Sibley chart, the 84-year cycles often correspond to the nation's most profound and divisive crises.
First Return (1860): The Civil War, a conflict over fundamental national identity and the institution of slavery.
Second Return (1944): The apex of U.S. involvement in World War II, a war that redefined global power and the country's economic and military role.
Third Return (2028): An upcoming period of major change, potentially encompassing technological upheaval, social fragmentation, or a redefinition of America's place in the world.



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RETURNS ARE WRONG COS THE ACTUAL DATE IS CORRECT


The returns are listed below. Note the shift from December 25 (Julian) to January 6 (Gregorian) at cycle 10, reflecting the calendar reform's impact. Subsequent dates drift gradually forward due to the slight mismatch between the fixed interval and Gregorian year length.Cycle #
Date (Year-Month-Day)
Calendar
1
1066-12-25
Julian
2
1150-12-25
Julian
3
1234-12-25
Julian
4
1318-12-25
Julian
5
1402-12-25
Julian
6
1486-12-25
Julian
7
1570-12-25
Julian
8
1654-12-25
Julian
9
1738-12-25
Julian
10
1823-01-06
Gregorian
11
1907-01-07
Gregorian
12
1991-01-07
Gregorian
13
2075-01-07
Gregorian

Libra 21° A crowd upon the beach

This is a symbol of a complete lack of social sensitiveness. There are here the raw elements of experience, primarily on the side of a basic self-awareness and with man exhibiting the unconditioned friendliness through which he brings new facets of himself to a point of immediate expression. Implicit in the symbolism is a Need to RELEASE the Pyramiding TENSIONS of personality whenever it is held too closely in rein, and to enjoy a wiser self-realization through whatever fellowship may lie at hand.

The Keyword is EXHILARATION.

When positive, When positive, the degree is naïve assurance and a basic delight in every possible aspect of human relationship, and when negative, a look to others for fulfillment without any willingness to give at all of self.

Libra Ingress b4 Covid - ASC

Freedom of expression and a sense of responsibility. The meaning of the word perpetual is everlasting or continuing forever and valid for all time. To exhilarate is to make others happy, excited or elated. But what if times are bad? You know, the worst of times, as prophesied throughout the ages, times that surely must come, and may even now be here? What of the crowds upon the beaches now? What good word have ye? What perpetual decree? What glad tidings? This: Good overcomes evil in the end! Therefore, enlighten others, awake others, get the kitty off the keyboard and begin decreeing hope and faith that all will be well…

We are in the third decan of Libra–The Gyroscope. Here the center is ever holding to center with a keen perspective from inside the eye of the storm. There is chaos all about, for a million tiny scales are being balanced out there–things being a righted by Divine Justice. Stand as witness but do not be moved from your center! Have faith, know that all is well, is being made well. Do not get in the way of the Divine doing its work! These are the times for courage and conviction. Stay centered on holy ground no matter the shifting and churning of the storm which cometh.

“Think on This ~ Make the world a better place because you have lived in it. Know ye this, each of you: The law of the Lord is perfect, ye cannot get around it. Ye may for the moment submerge it, but thy conscience will smite thee.” Edgar Cayce, Reading 2811-3

“For citizens of democratic countries, the right to express themselves freely is certainly an essential development. But how far can we exercise this right? Does the title of thinker or artist that certain people have given themselves give them the right to sow discord around them? They think it is legitimate to expose even their most improper thoughts, feelings and needs, without concern for the effects it might have on those who are weaker and more easily influenced.

Virgo 21, and all of the 21st degree symbol, involve a degree of disappointment. The way to understand this is in context of the preceding degree symbol. The 20th degrees tend to involve something extraordinary... a quickening of energy, a knack for the paranormal, a flow in extraordinary experience, extra-ordinary space and time. When coming out of this kind of experience, it is common to experience a let down.

Imagine going to a special place... a temple perhaps, a gathering in sacred space where the experience is of a higher vibrational sort. It is common when leaving such places and times, that people have headaches upon returning to the ordinary world. if not headaches, then a let down, a sense of encountering heavier energy, denser vibrations, and so on.

Virgo 21 therefore may be understood as a bit of a coming down experience. Expect to find most 21st degree placements expressed in individuals by complaint and disappointment.

"A crowd upon the beach" 21 Libra

Theme: Crowding



Inspiration: The intense desire for individuation often makes use of a crowd from which to push off. - LIBRA INGRESS B4 BREXIT & COVID!!!!!!!!!!!!




Today: SPACE is important today. - LIBRA INGRESS B4 COVID!!!!!!!!!!!!



Individual SPACE… enough room to breathe and move on one's own. It may be that a crowd, any crowd, is simply intolerable for many today. Emotional needs seek freedom rather than to be caged. Personal energies drive for individuality, a drive that does not like a crowd.



If you find yourself in a claustrophobic situation, try being cool and remember to breathe out. It is possible to be in a room with hundreds, thousands of others and be all alone, far off in a golden space all your own.



Be aware that even when all alone, one can feel trapped. A few pronounced exhalations should be enough to shake you free. Wherever the crowd is… in a public space, or in your mind… turning the other way will be the natural urge.

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Virgo 24. A satyr sleeping standing up. Roots are growing from his hooves into the ground. (Omega Symbol)Interacting/Responsible

(Degree Angel: Omael (O-ma-EL) Building Bridges, Fertility, Multiplicity
Defeats frustration, despair and depression)

You have the ability to always be in touch with the earth, with practicality, with what is. You also have the power of feeling at home wherever you are, and of using any and all situations for personal sustainment and learning. You are tremendously patient, and will do whatever it takes to accomplish your tasks, no matter how long this may take or how complicated the road may become.

The Chandra Symbol for this degree is “A silver trident.” Here is combined the trident, which is the symbol for the planet Neptune, and the metal of the moon, which is silver. This degree has to do with the refining and perfecting of the intuition, and also the ability to nurture and serve an ideal. There is a conflict here between Virgo's desire to be accurate, clear and precise, versus the need to listen to emotions, instincts, and the psychic self. These two sides of one's being can seem to be at war with each other, but it is through their interaction that both sides are empowered.

This degree always wants to go deeper into the meaning of existence, just as the roots on the bottom of the satyr's foot are growing deep into the ground. It will analyze something from every angle possible, it will get into finer and finer details of whatever it is dealing with. It may discover new things that have never been found or considered before. But ultimately it always need to realize that the intellectual mind is just a tool, and that its rightful place is as a tool to serve a reality greater than itself, and which can only be merged with, rather than ever completely objectified.

Pleiadian Symbol: A little girl hugging a puppy.

Azoth Symbol: A feeling of deep connection among a small group of friends.

Seed degree: Capricorn 12. Mold growing on a diamond. (Omega Symbol). When we give up the idea that we are in any way imperfect, we are able to accept the world around us and take in the nourishment and secrets it has to offer.

A beautiful, erotic fat woman eating chocolates. (Chandra Symbol). Binging and excess will always lead to a rejection of those states, and a coming into a consciousness of refinement and clarity.

Fulfillment degree: Virgo 15. A man wearing paper wings jumps off a cliff and soars through the sky. (Omega Symbol). When you can allow yourself to connect deeply with the earth and with physical reality, you are then able to explore the realm of ideas and thinking without getting lost or crashing back to reality.

A man inherits a vast fortune. (Chandra Symbol). Deeply connecting with our own psychic powers, we realize what endless potentials they hold, which creates in us a desire, eventually, to use them to advance both ourselves and others.

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One of the most gratifying aspects of being a satyr is this tendency to turn into a tree during the night. Sometimes in dreams his arms raised and multiplied, sprouting leaves and attracting birds who built nests. In the morning it was always thoughts of roaming that shrunk the roots and smoothed, once again, his skin.




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