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Dec 25, 2011 starts at 8.46 cancer and ends 7 years later at 28°03’ Cancers on Dec 25 2018 At what degree is June 23rd, 2016 (BREXIT VOTE)
Final Answer
The astrological degree on BREXIT VOTE on June 23, 2016, is approximately 21°10’ CANCER!.
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NOW- 2025 SYNAGOGUE ATTACK
Dec 25, 2018 starts at 27.54 Cancer and ends 7 years later at 26°01’ Leo on Dec 25 2025 At what degree is October 3rd, 2025?
Event Point is 25°06' Leo
To arrive at this: The position advances linearly over 7 years (2,557 days) from 27°54' Cancer (117°54' absolute) to 26°01' Leo (146°01' absolute), a span of 28°07'. The elapsed time to October 3, 2025, is 2,474 days, or 2,474/2,557 ≈ 0.9675 of the period. Thus, advance 28°07' × 0.9675 ≈ 27°12', so 117°54' + 27°12' = 145°06', or 25°06' Leo.
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Okay, let's clarify and proceed strictly with the fixed 84-year cycle, completely disregarding the actual astronomical Uranus return period, as you've requested. This approach aligns with a specific interpretive method, such as that sometimes used in symbolic progression systems where a fixed time period is applied.
We will use the coronation date of December 25, 1066, for William the Conqueror, and apply a precise 84-year interval for each cycle. The key adjustment is still for the calendar change from Julian to Gregorian, which occurred in Great Britain in September 1752.
Fixed 84-year cycles from December 25, 1066
For returns before September 1752, the Julian calendar applies. For returns after September 1752, the Gregorian calendar applies, and the date itself is considered directly translated (i.e., December 25 in Julian is treated as the equivalent December 25 in Gregorian, without the astronomical correction for the 11 skipped days, as per the fixed cycle request).
Cycle # Start Date End Date (Fixed 84-Year Cycle) Calendar Notes
0 Dec 25, 1066 N/A Julian Coronation of William the Conqueror
1 N/A Dec 25, 1150 Julian
2 N/A Dec 25, 1234 Julian
3 N/A Dec 25, 1318 Julian
4 N/A Dec 25, 1402 Julian
5 N/A Dec 25, 1486 Julian
6 N/A Dec 25, 1570 Julian
7 N/A Dec 25, 1654 Julian
8 N/A Dec 25, 1738 Julian Last full cycle before calendar change
9 N/A Dec 25, 1822 Gregorian First full cycle return after calendar change (Sept 1752 occurred)
10 N/A Dec 25, 1906 Gregorian
11 N/A Dec 25, 1990 Gregorian
12 N/A Dec 25, 2074 Gregorian
13 N/A Dec 25, 2158 Gregorian
14 N/A Dec 25, 2242 Gregorian
This table lists the exact calendar date for each fixed 84-year cycle return from the December 25, 1066 coronation, consistently applying the 84-year interval regardless of astronomical alignment or calendar type (other than the Julian to Gregorian conversion point).
To determine the 84-year cycles of Alan Leo based on a fixed 84-year period starting with William the Conqueror's coronation on December 25, 1066, you would simply add 84 years to the previous date, taking into account the Julian and Gregorian calendar changes in England.
The calendar switch occurred in Britain in September 1752, when 11 days were omitted from the calendar, meaning September 2 was followed by September 14.
Here are the years of each cycle return, based on a fixed 84-year period from December 25, 1066, and noting the relevant calendar:
Cycle Year (Calendar)
Start December 25, 1066 (Julian)
1st December 25, 1150 (Julian)
2nd December 25, 1234 (Julian)
3rd December 25, 1318 (Julian)
4th December 25, 1402 (Julian)
5th December 25, 1486 (Julian)
6th December 25, 1570 (Julian)
7th December 25, 1654 (Julian)
8th December 25, 1738 (Julian)
9th December 25, 1822 (Gregorian)
10th December 25, 1906 (Gregorian)
11th December 25, 1990 (Gregorian)
12th December 25, 2074 (Gregorian)
Note: For returns after 1752, the specific date of December 25 in the Gregorian calendar maintains the fixed 84-year interval according to Alan Leo's interpretation, rather than aligning with the exact astronomical Uranus return, which involves more complex calculations to compensate for the calendar shift.
AI responses may include mistakes
ts just that when i do a solar return say for 2025 it auto goes to Dec 31 instead of Dec 25 - why
Your confusion arises from the difference between a simple, fixed calendar calculation and an accurate, astronomical solar return calculation.
A fixed 84-year cycle from a coronation date is a symbolic technique that adds a fixed amount of time (84 years) to the starting calendar date. It is a simple, non-astronomical calculation.
A solar return chart, which is what your software is calculating, is an astronomical event. It marks the exact moment the Sun returns to the precise degree, minute, and second it occupied at the time of birth.
The reason your software shows a different date for the solar return is that a complete orbital period for the Earth is not exactly 365 days.
Why the date shifts for a solar return
The length of a year is not exactly 365 days. The Earth's solar year is approximately 365.2425 days. Because our Gregorian calendar rounds this to 365 days (with a leap year every four years to correct), the Sun's exact return to its original position shifts by nearly six hours every year.
The effect of leap years. This annual shift is typically corrected by a leap year. So, for a person born on December 25, the solar return might fall on December 24, December 25, or December 26 in any given year. For a historical event in 1066, this effect is compounded over centuries.
The Julian to Gregorian calendar shift. Your software will use the precise astronomical position of the Sun at the moment of the 1066 coronation, based on the Julian calendar. It will then calculate the 2025 solar return based on the Gregorian calendar, correcting for the difference in the calendar systems over the intervening centuries. The skipped 11 days in 1752, plus the cumulative effect of the orbital discrepancy over 959 years, would create a significant difference in the calendar date of the astronomical solar return.
A solar return is not a birthday. While the solar return is considered an "astrological birthday," it's not the same as your calendar birthday. Your software is performing the proper astronomical calculation, which is why it gives a different date than a fixed calendar interval would.
AI responses may include mistakes. Learn more
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You're very welcome. It's a common point of confusion when first working with the precise, astronomical nature of celestial movements, especially when dealing with historical dates and calendar changes.
Understanding this distinction is a crucial step for anyone delving deeper into astrology:
Fixed cycles (like Alan Leo's 84-year progression) are a symbolic and interpretive layer based on a regular, consistent time interval.
Returns (like the Solar Return or Uranus Return) are based on the planets' actual, slightly irregular, astronomical movements.
If you have any more questions about solar returns, historical charts, or specific cycles, feel free to ask!
from GROK
Year AD
1
1066
2
1150
3
1234
4
1318
5
1402
6
1486
7
1570
8
1654
9
1738
10
1822
11
1906
12
1990
13
2074
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USA SIBLEY
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do the same with the us sibley chart 84 yr cycles beginning at 12.20 sagittarius
Using the Sibley chart for the United States, we can calculate the 84-year cycles based on a fixed cycle as interpreted from Alan Leo's methods. The Sibley chart uses the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, at approximately 5:10 p.m. LMT in Philadelphia. The Ascendant (rising sign) is at 12°20' Sagittarius.
The 84-year cycles of the Sibley chart, beginning from the national founding, are:
Start: July 4, 1776 (The founding event of the United States)
1st Cycle Return: July 4, 1860. This period preceded the start of the American Civil War, which began in April 1861. It was a time of immense national tension and division, with the election of Abraham Lincoln that November serving as a catalyst for secession.
2nd Cycle Return: July 4, 1944. This return coincided with a pivotal moment in World War II. It occurred less than a month after D-Day, and the United States was deeply engaged in a global conflict that would cement its role as a world superpower.
3rd Cycle Return: July 4, 2028. This upcoming cycle is expected to bring a period of significant societal and technological change, and it coincides with the ongoing shift of Uranus into Gemini, which began in 2025. Astrologers often interpret Uranus returns as times of radical upheaval, innovation, and change, which have historically aligned with major conflicts for the U.S..
Interpretation of the Sibley chart cycles
For the Sibley chart, the 84-year cycles often correspond to the nation's most profound and divisive crises.
First Return (1860): The Civil War, a conflict over fundamental national identity and the institution of slavery.
Second Return (1944): The apex of U.S. involvement in World War II, a war that redefined global power and the country's economic and military role.
Third Return (2028): An upcoming period of major change, potentially encompassing technological upheaval, social fragmentation, or a redefinition of America's place in the world.
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RETURNS ARE WRONG COS THE ACTUAL DATE IS CORRECT
The returns are listed below. Note the shift from December 25 (Julian) to January 6 (Gregorian) at cycle 10, reflecting the calendar reform's impact. Subsequent dates drift gradually forward due to the slight mismatch between the fixed interval and Gregorian year length.Cycle #
Date (Year-Month-Day)
Calendar
1
1066-12-25
Julian
2
1150-12-25
Julian
3
1234-12-25
Julian
4
1318-12-25
Julian
5
1402-12-25
Julian
6
1486-12-25
Julian
7
1570-12-25
Julian
8
1654-12-25
Julian
9
1738-12-25
Julian
10
1823-01-06
Gregorian
11
1907-01-07
Gregorian
12
1991-01-07
Gregorian
13
2075-01-07
Gregorian
Final Answer
The astrological degree on BREXIT VOTE on June 23, 2016, is approximately 21°10’ CANCER!.
=============================================================
NOW- 2025 SYNAGOGUE ATTACK
Dec 25, 2018 starts at 27.54 Cancer and ends 7 years later at 26°01’ Leo on Dec 25 2025 At what degree is October 3rd, 2025?
Event Point is 25°06' Leo
To arrive at this: The position advances linearly over 7 years (2,557 days) from 27°54' Cancer (117°54' absolute) to 26°01' Leo (146°01' absolute), a span of 28°07'. The elapsed time to October 3, 2025, is 2,474 days, or 2,474/2,557 ≈ 0.9675 of the period. Thus, advance 28°07' × 0.9675 ≈ 27°12', so 117°54' + 27°12' = 145°06', or 25°06' Leo.
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Okay, let's clarify and proceed strictly with the fixed 84-year cycle, completely disregarding the actual astronomical Uranus return period, as you've requested. This approach aligns with a specific interpretive method, such as that sometimes used in symbolic progression systems where a fixed time period is applied.
We will use the coronation date of December 25, 1066, for William the Conqueror, and apply a precise 84-year interval for each cycle. The key adjustment is still for the calendar change from Julian to Gregorian, which occurred in Great Britain in September 1752.
Fixed 84-year cycles from December 25, 1066
For returns before September 1752, the Julian calendar applies. For returns after September 1752, the Gregorian calendar applies, and the date itself is considered directly translated (i.e., December 25 in Julian is treated as the equivalent December 25 in Gregorian, without the astronomical correction for the 11 skipped days, as per the fixed cycle request).
Cycle # Start Date End Date (Fixed 84-Year Cycle) Calendar Notes
0 Dec 25, 1066 N/A Julian Coronation of William the Conqueror
1 N/A Dec 25, 1150 Julian
2 N/A Dec 25, 1234 Julian
3 N/A Dec 25, 1318 Julian
4 N/A Dec 25, 1402 Julian
5 N/A Dec 25, 1486 Julian
6 N/A Dec 25, 1570 Julian
7 N/A Dec 25, 1654 Julian
8 N/A Dec 25, 1738 Julian Last full cycle before calendar change
9 N/A Dec 25, 1822 Gregorian First full cycle return after calendar change (Sept 1752 occurred)
10 N/A Dec 25, 1906 Gregorian
11 N/A Dec 25, 1990 Gregorian
12 N/A Dec 25, 2074 Gregorian
13 N/A Dec 25, 2158 Gregorian
14 N/A Dec 25, 2242 Gregorian
This table lists the exact calendar date for each fixed 84-year cycle return from the December 25, 1066 coronation, consistently applying the 84-year interval regardless of astronomical alignment or calendar type (other than the Julian to Gregorian conversion point).
To determine the 84-year cycles of Alan Leo based on a fixed 84-year period starting with William the Conqueror's coronation on December 25, 1066, you would simply add 84 years to the previous date, taking into account the Julian and Gregorian calendar changes in England.
The calendar switch occurred in Britain in September 1752, when 11 days were omitted from the calendar, meaning September 2 was followed by September 14.
Here are the years of each cycle return, based on a fixed 84-year period from December 25, 1066, and noting the relevant calendar:
Cycle Year (Calendar)
Start December 25, 1066 (Julian)
1st December 25, 1150 (Julian)
2nd December 25, 1234 (Julian)
3rd December 25, 1318 (Julian)
4th December 25, 1402 (Julian)
5th December 25, 1486 (Julian)
6th December 25, 1570 (Julian)
7th December 25, 1654 (Julian)
8th December 25, 1738 (Julian)
9th December 25, 1822 (Gregorian)
10th December 25, 1906 (Gregorian)
11th December 25, 1990 (Gregorian)
12th December 25, 2074 (Gregorian)
Note: For returns after 1752, the specific date of December 25 in the Gregorian calendar maintains the fixed 84-year interval according to Alan Leo's interpretation, rather than aligning with the exact astronomical Uranus return, which involves more complex calculations to compensate for the calendar shift.
AI responses may include mistakes
ts just that when i do a solar return say for 2025 it auto goes to Dec 31 instead of Dec 25 - why
Your confusion arises from the difference between a simple, fixed calendar calculation and an accurate, astronomical solar return calculation.
A fixed 84-year cycle from a coronation date is a symbolic technique that adds a fixed amount of time (84 years) to the starting calendar date. It is a simple, non-astronomical calculation.
A solar return chart, which is what your software is calculating, is an astronomical event. It marks the exact moment the Sun returns to the precise degree, minute, and second it occupied at the time of birth.
The reason your software shows a different date for the solar return is that a complete orbital period for the Earth is not exactly 365 days.
Why the date shifts for a solar return
The length of a year is not exactly 365 days. The Earth's solar year is approximately 365.2425 days. Because our Gregorian calendar rounds this to 365 days (with a leap year every four years to correct), the Sun's exact return to its original position shifts by nearly six hours every year.
The effect of leap years. This annual shift is typically corrected by a leap year. So, for a person born on December 25, the solar return might fall on December 24, December 25, or December 26 in any given year. For a historical event in 1066, this effect is compounded over centuries.
The Julian to Gregorian calendar shift. Your software will use the precise astronomical position of the Sun at the moment of the 1066 coronation, based on the Julian calendar. It will then calculate the 2025 solar return based on the Gregorian calendar, correcting for the difference in the calendar systems over the intervening centuries. The skipped 11 days in 1752, plus the cumulative effect of the orbital discrepancy over 959 years, would create a significant difference in the calendar date of the astronomical solar return.
A solar return is not a birthday. While the solar return is considered an "astrological birthday," it's not the same as your calendar birthday. Your software is performing the proper astronomical calculation, which is why it gives a different date than a fixed calendar interval would.
AI responses may include mistakes. Learn more
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
You're very welcome. It's a common point of confusion when first working with the precise, astronomical nature of celestial movements, especially when dealing with historical dates and calendar changes.
Understanding this distinction is a crucial step for anyone delving deeper into astrology:
Fixed cycles (like Alan Leo's 84-year progression) are a symbolic and interpretive layer based on a regular, consistent time interval.
Returns (like the Solar Return or Uranus Return) are based on the planets' actual, slightly irregular, astronomical movements.
If you have any more questions about solar returns, historical charts, or specific cycles, feel free to ask!
from GROK
Year AD
1
1066
2
1150
3
1234
4
1318
5
1402
6
1486
7
1570
8
1654
9
1738
10
1822
11
1906
12
1990
13
2074
====================================================================================
USA SIBLEY
Show all
do the same with the us sibley chart 84 yr cycles beginning at 12.20 sagittarius
Using the Sibley chart for the United States, we can calculate the 84-year cycles based on a fixed cycle as interpreted from Alan Leo's methods. The Sibley chart uses the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, at approximately 5:10 p.m. LMT in Philadelphia. The Ascendant (rising sign) is at 12°20' Sagittarius.
The 84-year cycles of the Sibley chart, beginning from the national founding, are:
Start: July 4, 1776 (The founding event of the United States)
1st Cycle Return: July 4, 1860. This period preceded the start of the American Civil War, which began in April 1861. It was a time of immense national tension and division, with the election of Abraham Lincoln that November serving as a catalyst for secession.
2nd Cycle Return: July 4, 1944. This return coincided with a pivotal moment in World War II. It occurred less than a month after D-Day, and the United States was deeply engaged in a global conflict that would cement its role as a world superpower.
3rd Cycle Return: July 4, 2028. This upcoming cycle is expected to bring a period of significant societal and technological change, and it coincides with the ongoing shift of Uranus into Gemini, which began in 2025. Astrologers often interpret Uranus returns as times of radical upheaval, innovation, and change, which have historically aligned with major conflicts for the U.S..
Interpretation of the Sibley chart cycles
For the Sibley chart, the 84-year cycles often correspond to the nation's most profound and divisive crises.
First Return (1860): The Civil War, a conflict over fundamental national identity and the institution of slavery.
Second Return (1944): The apex of U.S. involvement in World War II, a war that redefined global power and the country's economic and military role.
Third Return (2028): An upcoming period of major change, potentially encompassing technological upheaval, social fragmentation, or a redefinition of America's place in the world.
-----------------------------------------------------
RETURNS ARE WRONG COS THE ACTUAL DATE IS CORRECT
The returns are listed below. Note the shift from December 25 (Julian) to January 6 (Gregorian) at cycle 10, reflecting the calendar reform's impact. Subsequent dates drift gradually forward due to the slight mismatch between the fixed interval and Gregorian year length.Cycle #
Date (Year-Month-Day)
Calendar
1
1066-12-25
Julian
2
1150-12-25
Julian
3
1234-12-25
Julian
4
1318-12-25
Julian
5
1402-12-25
Julian
6
1486-12-25
Julian
7
1570-12-25
Julian
8
1654-12-25
Julian
9
1738-12-25
Julian
10
1823-01-06
Gregorian
11
1907-01-07
Gregorian
12
1991-01-07
Gregorian
13
2075-01-07
Gregorian
