crimsoncurrent

A high concern for accuracy (especially with harmonious aspects)

⭐ But why do some astrologers mention dishonesty?

If dishonesty shows up with Mercury/Saturn, it’s usually the shadow side—not shameless lying, but things like:

Withholding information out of fear

Defensive half-truths

Guilt-driven secrecy

Rigid narratives they can’t deviate from

Lying to avoid consequences or judgment

Saturn’s influence is shame, accountability, and fear.
So lying under Saturn is more like “I don’t want to get in trouble”, not “I have no shame.”

⭐ Indicators of shameless lying look more like…

If you’re looking for shameless, bold, or compulsive lying, you usually see combinations like:

Mercury–Neptune (illusion, evasion, fantasy, deception)

Mercury–Jupiter (exaggeration, bravado)

Fire Mercury + harsh Mars aspects (impulsive speech)

Gemini/Sagittarius shadow expressions (storytelling or embellishment)

These are more “lie for effect / lie for fun / lie to impress” signatures.

⭐ Conclusion

Mercury/Saturn aspects do not correlate with shameless lying.
If dishonesty occurs, it’s usually fear-, shame-, or avoidance-based, not bold or brazen deception.

If you want, you can share the specific aspect or chart context — the sign, houses, and other planetary links massively change the interpretation.

You said:
in vivian robsons fixed stars traditionally mercury/saturn is about lying and bad.
ChatGPT said:

Vivian Robson absolutely does mention “lying,” “evil disposition,” or “maliciousness” when Mercury and Saturn are tied to certain fixed stars. But the key is:

👉 It’s not the Mercury/Saturn aspect itself —

It’s the combination of Mercury + Saturn + a specific fixed star with a harsh reputation.

Robson’s The Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology works like this:

⭐ When Mercury + Saturn are together on a malefic fixed star

He often interprets the star as amplifying:

craftiness

misrepresentation

melancholy

malicious intent

“liars,” “thieves,” “treacherous,” etc.

But the source of the “lying” isn’t Mercury/Saturn alone — it’s the nature of the star (e.g., Algol, Vindemiatrix, Facies, Scheat, Capulus, Aculeus, etc.).

Mercury = the mind + words
Saturn = restriction, fear, coldness, depression
Malefic star = amplifies its darker symbolism

Put together: “twisted, fearful, or harmful communication.”
This can express as lying, spite, gossip, or harmful speech.

⭐ Why Robson sounds harsh

Robson was writing in the early 20th century using traditional, fatalistic astrology.
Fixed star delineations from that era were:

excessively negative

literal

morally loaded

based on medieval/renaissance sources

not interpreted psychologically

So “liar” often simply meant:
“Malefic influence on Mercury = communication problems that harm others.”

⭐ Modern interpretation

Today we reinterpret Robson’s statements psychologically:

Mercury + Saturn + malefic star →
communication rooted in fear, shame, or bitterness,
sometimes manifesting as deception or distrust.

But this is situational, not a blanket statement about Mercury/Saturn aspects.

⭐ Why Mercury–Saturn alone ≠ shameless lying

Even in traditional astrology, Saturn is about fear, guilt, consequences. Rachel Reeves 29/11/25 - 1066 27 leo
Shameless lying aligns more with:

Mercury + Neptune (illusion)

Mercury + Jupiter (exaggeration)

Mercury + Mars (manipulative or aggressive rhetoric)

Saturn tends to inhibit, not embellish.

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Robson’s delineations vary massively depending on the specific fixed star and whether it’s on Mercury, Saturn, or both. If you share:

the star

the orb

and which planet it’s on

I can translate Robson’s old-school wording into a modern, accurate interpretation.

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Wega conjunct mc should be good but ruled by SATURN

With Saturn: Strong passions, opinionated, original, many Mercurial difficulties, reputation suffers through wrongful accusations, trouble with superiors, domestic difficulties, few, if any, children, latter half of life more favorable, sudden death. [Robson, p.217.]

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ZANIAH

UFO TODMORDEN

Nature and Influence:
Zaniah is of the Mercury-Venus nature, per Ptolemy, and Alvidas describes it as akin to Venus and Mercury in sextile. This gives Zaniah a reputation for refinement, honor, congeniality, order, and a lovable nature [Web:1, Web:3].

It is associated with positive social qualities, such as courtesy, affability, and a talent for creating harmony. Robson notes that Zaniah imparts a “love of orderliness” and a “loveable nature,” making it favorable for social success and likability [Web:1].

Specific Effects by Planetary Conjunction:
With Sun: Educational and studious interests, popularity, social success, much pleasure, and favorable conditions for marriage [Web:3]. This suggests Zaniah enhances intellectual pursuits and public appeal when aligned with the Sun.

With Mercury: Musical or artistic ability, gain through writing (e.g., short stories), popularity, social success, and many friends, especially among the opposite sex [Web:19]. Robson cites Václav Havel, with Mercury conjunct Zaniah, as an example of someone who gained prominence through communication and social engagement.

With Neptune: Kindness, sympathy, attention to detail, peculiar love affairs, gain through marriage or partnerships, help from influential friends, and an uneventful life. However, there may be a risk of early childhood danger or a natural death in middle life [Web:3]. This indicates Zaniah’s softer, more idealistic influence when paired with Neptune.

With Mars or Saturn: Harsh terms for peace negotiations, potentially leading to rejection or conflict [Web:1]. Robson suggests that Zaniah’s diplomatic qualities can be undermined by aggressive or restrictive planetary influences.

With Moon or Neptune: Terms for peace may be unrealistic or “shady,” especially with harsh aspects, indicating potential for deception or impracticality [Web:1].

Additional Notes:
Robson highlights Zaniah’s role in the 11th Arabic Moon Mansion, Al Awwa (formed by Zaniah, Zavijava, Porrima, Auva, and Vindemiatrix), which is considered a good omen, granting benevolence, gain, voyages, harvests, and freedom of captives. When the Moon transits here, it’s favorable for sowing, planting, or taking medicine but not for travel or marriage [Web:3, Web:11].

The star’s name, derived from the Arabic zāwiyah (“corner”), reflects its position in the “Kennel” asterism, historically linked to “barking dogs” in Arabic astronomy. Robson notes its placement on the “southern wing” or “left arm” of Virgo, emphasizing its Mercurial and Venusian qualities [Web:1, Web:3].

Zaniah’s reputation as a star of peace negotiation is noted by Eric Morse (quoted in Robson’s context), who describes its Mercury-Venus-in-Libra talent for knowing when to seek or offer peace terms. This makes Zaniah valuable for diplomats or mediators, though its effectiveness depends on aspects and planetary placements [Web:1, Web:3].

Physical Influence: Robson associates Zaniah with the intestines in medical astrology, suggesting it may influence health in this area when prominent in a chart [Web:1].

Comparison and Synthesis
Shared Themes: Both Ebertin and Robson align with Ptolemy’s Mercury-Venus classification for Zaniah, emphasizing refinement, congeniality, and intellectual or artistic talents. They likely see Zaniah as a generally benefic star, promoting social harmony and order when well-aspected.

Differences:
Robson’s Detail: Robson provides specific delineations for Zaniah’s effects with different planets (e.g., Sun, Mercury, Neptune), offering practical examples like Václav Havel’s chart. His work is more traditional, rooted in historical sources and detailed outcomes.

Ebertin’s Approach: Ebertin’s interpretations (inferred from his general methodology) are more psychological and modern, focusing on how Zaniah’s influence manifests in personality or career. He might emphasize its role in analytical or diplomatic skills without the specific planetary breakdowns Robson offers.

Alchemy and Multicultural Riot Context: The user’s earlier question about “18 degree = alchemy” and multicultural riots isn’t directly addressed by Ebertin or Robson for Zaniah. However, Zaniah’s Mercury-Venus nature and peacemaking qualities could relate to “alchemy” as a metaphor for harmonizing diverse elements (e.g., cultures). A poorly aspected Zaniah (e.g., with Mars or Saturn) might indicate failed negotiations, potentially escalating into conflict like a riot, but neither astrologer explicitly ties Zaniah to such events.

Conclusion
Ebertin: Likely views Zaniah as a Mercury-Venus star promoting refinement, diplomacy, and intellectual order, with positive outcomes in well-aspected charts. Harsh aspects could lead to overly critical or conflicted tendencies, though specific details for Zaniah are not provided in the references.

Robson: Describes Zaniah as imparting refinement, honor, congeniality, and a lovable nature, with specific effects like social success (with Sun), artistic talent (with Mercury), or sympathetic partnerships (with Neptune). It excels in peace negotiations but can falter with harsh aspects to Mars, Saturn, Moon, or Neptune. Zaniah rules the intestines and is part of the benefic Al Awwa Moon Mansion [Web:1, Web:3, Web:19].

Astrological Nature:
Vivian E. Robson: In Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology (1923), Robson describes Zaniah as having a Mercury-Venus nature, imparting refinement, honor, congeniality, order, and a lovable nature. It excels in diplomacy, artistic ability, and social success, particularly when conjunct Mercury, Venus, or the Sun. For example:
Sun conjunct Zaniah: Educational interests, popularity, social success, favorable for marriage [Web:1].

Mercury conjunct Zaniah: Musical or artistic ability, gain through writing, many friends [Web:1].

Mars or Saturn conjunct Zaniah: Harsh peace terms, potential for conflict or rejection [Web:1].

Moon or Neptune conjunct Zaniah: Unrealistic or “shady” terms, suggesting idealism or deception [Web:1].

Robson also notes Zaniah’s role in the 11th Arabic Moon Mansion, Al Awwa, which is benefic, granting benevolence, gain, and freedom [Web:0].

Reinhold Ebertin: In Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation (1928), Ebertin aligns with Ptolemy’s Mercury-Venus classification, emphasizing intellectual refinement, diplomacy, and analytical skills. While specific details on Zaniah are not quoted, Ebertin would likely highlight its positive social and intellectual influence when well-aspected, with potential for critical or conflicted tendencies under harsh aspects.

Modern Interpretations: Sources like Astrology King and Galactic Astrology describe Zaniah as enhancing communication, new ideas, and collective connection, with a Neptune-like quality that ties to intuition and the unconscious [Web:1, Web:5]. This could suggest openness to unconventional or mystical phenomena, like UFOs.

Relevance to UFOs: Zaniah’s Mercury-Venus-Neptune qualities (communication, intuition, idealism) could symbolize heightened perception or public fascination with mysterious phenomena, such as UFO sightings, especially if conjunct a dynamic point like Zeus. Its position near the autumnal equinox and celestial equator [Web:3] may amplify its role in collective awareness.

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Astrological Degrees and Fixed Stars



0-1 Degrees of all signs signify the beginning of important events in one's life with predictive astrology, such as solar and lunar returns.

29 Degrees of all signs bring about the ending of events in the life, such as relationships, leaving a place of residence and so forth with predictive astrology, such as solar and lunar returns.

0-1 Degrees of Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn are extremely critical degrees, both in predictive and natal astrology. These are the four cardinal signs; the solstice points of the Zodiac. What has begun may or may not last. Cardinal signs indicate strong beginnings, but lack the stability of the fixed signs or the adaptability of the mutable signs. 0 -1 of Libra oftentimes signifies the beginning of a relationship in predictive astrology. The affairs ruled by the planets on these degrees, the houses they are posited in and the house cusps with the sign they rule in a natal chart, are usually of significant importance in the life.


0 -1 Degrees of Taurus is always permanent, in prediction, for better or for worse.


0 -1 Degrees of the other fixed signs: Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius are long lasting. Fixed signs signify permanence, stability, and things that last. In predictive astrology, what has begun will more than likely last.


0 -1 Degrees of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Pisces are beginnings subject to change. Mutable signs always signify adaptability, restlessness, and change. They can be vacillating and weak. In predictive astrology, what has begun is subject to change.


29 Degrees of Pisces signifies a permanent ending in predictive astrology, as is 29 degrees of Taurus.


13 and 26 Degrees of Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn give special importance to the planet/s or house cusps occupying the degree. The affairs ruled by the planets, the affairs ruled by the houses ruled by the planets, or by the houses these degrees are on point to something of the above-mentioned occurring in the life of the chart owner.


9 and 21 Degrees of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius have a tendency to misfortune. 21 Degrees of Scorpio is a definitely a degree of loss, both natally and in prediction, but the loss is not always negative.


4 and 17 of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Pisces are similar to the 13 and 26 Degrees of the Cardinal signs.


15 Degrees of Leo is one of the worst degrees in the zodiac, either natally or in prediction. Prominent in the charts of serial killers, felons serving life sentences, in the charts of those who have fated hard luck, etc. Helen Keller, both blind and deaf from a very early age had her chart co-ruler Mars at 15 degrees of Leo, along with no air signs. [Air signs are communication]. Stevie Wonder [blind] Pluto at 15 degrees of Leo, Ludwig van Beethoven, deaf, Saturn at 15 degrees of Leo.


25 degrees of Leo is violent, and some who have this are in prison for violent crimes, especially those with their chart rulers on this degree. In addition, this is not a good degree for a planet to be on in a predictive chart. Problems will result from this placement according to the affairs it rules and/or house it is in. This is a very strong degree of alcoholism. Many who are chronic alcoholics have prominent planets on the 25th degree of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius. The influence is especially strong if Neptune is involved.


15 Degrees of Taurus, Scorpio and Aquarius are also unfortunate, but not to the extent as 15 degrees of Leo, one of the worst degrees in the Zodiac.


16, 17, 18, 19, 22, and 25 Degrees of Taurus are all degrees of violence.


9 Degrees of Gemini and Sagittarius are both degrees of homicide.


17 Degrees of Gemini is degree of homicide.


6 Degrees of Cardinal signs: Cancer, Libra, Capricorn, and Aries indicates a possible physical disability, and to a lesser extent, especially if the planet occupies the first house, is prominent and/or other factors in the chart support this.


6 Degrees of Leo and 6 degrees of Aquarius are both very bad for eyesight.


12 Degrees of Leo is a degree of beauty.


9 Degrees of Virgo and Pisces are known as fatal degrees, body in the ditch degrees and degrees of suffering.
9 degrees of Pisces is one of the worst degrees in the Zodiac.


9 Degrees of Sagittarius is a warrior degree, and is also a degree of homicide. Prominent planets on this degree are also seen in the charts of religious and spiritual reformers.


22 degrees of all signs, especially the fixed signs is bad, either natally or in prediction.


FIXED STARS: Allow 1 - 2 degrees orb for conjunctions and oppositions to other planets. Conjunctions and oppositions are the only aspects that matter, with conjunctions being most important. The following interpretations concern when a fixed star is conjunct a planet in one's chart or an angle or is prominent. The nature of the planet also should be blended in with the nature of the fixed star. Personal planets such as chart ruler/s and angles are important, with the influence of the fixed star being emphasized in both the life affairs and in the personality.

The four most prominent fixed stars are:

Aldebaran; 9 degrees of Gemini
Regulus; 29 degrees of Leo
Antares; 9 degrees of Sagittarius
Formalhaut; 3 degrees of Pisces
These stars can also be prominent in magick.

Aldebaran is known as "Watcher of the East."
Regulus is known as "Watcher of the North."
Antares, is known as "Watcher of the West."
Formalhaut is known as "Watcher of the South."

ALPHERATZ - [Sirrah] [14 Degrees Aries]
Freedom, love of movement, speed, intellectual and can indicate riches and honors. The personality often has strong motivation, willfulness and the ability to take action. Those with this placement often come before the public and are popular with the masses. There is a considerate and harmonious nature, which is good for relationships.


BATEN KAITOS - [20 degrees of Aries]
There can be forced migration, accidents, and shipwreck.


MIRACH - [0 Degrees Taurus]
This star can give happiness in marriage, bestow artistic talent, and give a love of beauty. There is often strong intuition, along with a brilliant mind, and much creative talent. The disposition is generous and loving. These people often make friends easily and inspire others. Mirach gives beauty, and a love of the home and family.


HAMAL - [6 Degrees of Taurus]
There is a need for personal independence. These people often have a strong will, and dislike authority. This placement gives independent thought and leadership ability. In some cases, there can be cruelty and premeditated crime.


ALMACH [Alamack] - [14 degrees of Taurus]
This star gives a popular influence, making one well liked and bringing benefits come from others, along with a prominent position, and possible fame. There is often artistic ability.


CAPUT ALGOL - [25 Degrees of Taurus]
Caput Algol is one of the most violent stars in the zodiac. In natal charts, this gives a most violent disposition, along with murderous tendencies. These violent tendencies are intensified when one is intoxicated with drugs and/or alcohol. Here is the nasty, violent, mean, and vicious drunk. On the upside, it can bestow athletic ability. The intense nature, when sublimated, can give the drive to reach the top, but the affairs of the planet occupying this degree often end in disaster and misfortune. When conjunct the descendent, violence can come from others, especially the lover or marriage partner. I have noted more than one person with the Sun in conjunction with this star in being a pathological liar.


ALCYONE - THE PLEIADES - [29 Degrees of Taurus]
This star is bad for the eyesight and can even bring blindness. It also brings sorrowful events with something to cry about. There can be keen insight, strong ambition, and a harshly judgmental nature. There is often a love of nature, and the outdoors. There can be possible injuries to the face.


HYADES - [5 Degrees of Gemini]
Hyades gives a powerful sex drive, along with a greedy, overindulgent and excessive nature. These people are often exploitive of others. There can be tremendous success in life, but a lack of control and bad habits can cause one's ruin. There is often much vitality and the energy level is high. This placement gives a talent for martial activities and the military.


THE NORTHERN BULL'S EYE, EPSILON TAURI - [7 Degrees of Gemini]
This star gives artistic talent, writing ability, popularity, scientific and occult ability, and is often prominent in the charts of astrologers. These people often make outstanding contributions in their chosen fields.


ALDEBARAN - [9 Degrees of Gemini]
Watcher of the East
Aldebaran rules the hands and fingers. There is a tendency to weakness of the lungs and possible pneumonia. The death is often violent. Those with this placement have high ambitions, and they often attract dangerous enemies.


RIGEL - [16 Degrees of Gemini]
Rigel gives lasting riches, honors and favor. When prominent, it is good for military careers, [especially if in conjunction with the midheaven] and mechanical ability. There is teaching ability and the personality is somewhat conforming. Ambitious and hard working, these people can stay on top, as long as effort is maintained.


BELLATRIX - [20 degrees of Gemini]
Bellatrix brings military and other honors which can end in disaster. This star is bad for the eyesight. There is an aptitude for quick decision-making. Those with this star prominent are often strongly opinionated, and have a belligerent, daring, and adventuresome nature. If Bellatrix is in conjunction with the midheaven, one may be a swindler or forger.


CAPELLA - [21 degrees of Gemini]
There is often superior intelligence, along with a love of learning and research. Capella brings martial and/or ecclesiastical honors and riches, often followed by squander and waste, leading to ruin. The personality can be eccentric and unusual in some way.


ALNILAM - [23 degrees of Gemini]
Alnilam bestows honors, especially when in conjunction with the midheaven.


POLARIS - [28 degrees of Gemini]
Polaris can give spiritual powers and much respect gained from them. There can be possible chronic illness and/or physical problems. Money coming from others can encounter problems and loss. When this star is prominent, the instincts and common sense is strong along with the ability to find one's way.


BETELGEUSE - [28 degrees of Gemini]
This is one of the most fortunate of fixed stars and is frequently prominent in the charts of those who have had major success in life . Betelgeuse brings wealth, honors, fame and fortune.


SIRIUS [ALPHA CANIS MAJOR] ORION'S GREAT DOG STAR - [13 degrees of Cancer]
Powerful position in government, along with honors and fame. There can be danger from dogs, along with being vulnerable to violence.


CASTOR - [20 degrees of Cancer]
Possible violence, along with sudden fame, followed by prison or disgrace. Castor brings weakness of the eyes, and injuries to the face. The disposition is usually well mannered, with strong principles.


POLLUX - [23 degrees of Cancer]
Pollux gives athletic ability, and is favorable for martial artists, boxers, fighters and warriors. This star is bad for the eyesight, and can bring injuries to the eyes and face. There can be connections with poisons. Honors are often followed by disgrace, and possible imprisonment. There can be a cruel, subtle, and scheming nature.


PROCYON - [25 degrees of Cancer]
A love of dogs, but there can be danger from their bites. Achievement comes through personal efforts. Danger from liquids, poisons and gases. The nature is often jealous, combative, and strong willed. These people like to see ideas put into action.


PRAESEPE - [7 degrees into Leo]
Praesepe is very bad for the eyesight. Losses can come from others. The character is adventuresome, brutal, perverse, and reckless.


ALPHARD - [26 degrees into Leo]
Lack of control, violence, unethical, subject to imprisonment and tragedy. Connection with poisons and toxins.


REGULUS - [29 degrees into Leo]
Watcher of the North.
Astrological ability, independent and high spirited. There can be destructive tendencies, and military honors. These people often obtain positions of power, along with success, and have leadership ability. There is also the possibility of disgrace and a disastrous fall from a prominent position.


ZOSMA - [9 degrees of Virgo]
Victimization, unhappiness, suffering, subject to disadvantage and abuse. Those with this star prominent often seriously suffer in some way. There can be physical problems and/or disabilities.


DENEBOLA - [21 degrees into Virgo]
Honors and wealth, impulsiveness, disgrace, regrets, misfortunes through natural forces.


VINDEMIATRIX - [9 degrees into Libra]
There can be a tendency to having spinal problems. The marriage can be unfortunate, and in some cases, the loss of the partner through death. There are often major problems and losses through women. [Bill Clinton is a perfect example here].


ALGORAB - [13 degrees of Libra]
One who is destructive, malevolent, fiendish, deceitful and lying. Here is the dishonest businessperson or politician. The character is self-centered, and can be charming and sly. There is a very strong tendency towards dishonesty.


SPICA - [23 degrees of Libra]
There can be wealth and honors, along with fortune and fame. Spica gives ability in the sciences, in the arts, writing ability, musical talents, and much creativity. These people are usually sociable. Spica is a great benefactor to any planet it is conjunct.


ARCTURUS - [23 degrees of Libra]
Lasting success through personal effort and self determination. Fortune can come through travel. The nature can be hot tempered.


PRINCEPS - [2 degrees of Scorpio]
above average in intelligence, good for research and a talent for science.


ALPHECCA - [11 degrees of Scorpio]
This star makes one artistic, with a talent for poetry, and the occult and healing ability. There is often success in business, along with leadership ability. There is a tendency to be a loner.


SOUTH SCALE - [14 degrees of Scorpio]
This star can bring troubles, as it is conjunct 15 degrees. There can be physical anomalies and/or serous health problems. It has a reputation for making one susceptible to poisoning.


NORTH SCALE - [18 degrees of Scorpio]
This star often gives honor, distinction, ambition, and good fortune.


UNUKALHAI - [21 degrees of Scorpio]
This star indicates a loss in some area, both natally and in prediction. This loss is not always negative in prediction. There can be perversions, a lack of self-control and a danger of poisons. The personality can be crude and vulgar.


ANTARES - [9 degrees of Sagittarius]
Watcher of the West The nature can be impulsive, headstrong, stubborn, and courageous. The life meets with unpredictable events, unexpected upsets and changes, and a loss of success can come from self-undoing. There is military and martial aptitude, bringing honor and favors. This is a warrior star. Those who have this star prominent in their charts often rebel against spiritual and religious oppression, bringing drastic changes in these areas.


LESATH - [23 degrees into Sagittarius]
Outspoken, perverse, associated with acids, and danger.


ACULEUS - [25 degrees into Sagittarius]
There can be trouble with the eyesight. Aculeus bestows leadership ability, but makes one subject to mental, verbal, and/or spiritual attack. These people are often victims of gossip.


ACUMEN - [27 degrees into Sagittarius]
These people on the down side can get worn down by life and just not care anymore. There can be disgrace, legal problems, and possible imprisonment.


WEGA - [15 degrees into Capricorn]
Occult talent, along with riches and fame. The nature is idealistic, pretentious, hopeful, artistic, and refined.


DENEB - [19 degrees into Capricorn]
Good for military, successful warriors, ability for leadership and command. The nature is often benevolent.


TEREBELLUM - [24 degrees into Capricorn]
Greedy, scheming, shrewd. There can be fortune, but with guilt and possibly a bad reputation.


ALTAIR - [1 degree into Aquarius]
Bold, confident, stubborn, sudden wealth, position of high command, danger from reptiles, an adventuresome risk taker.


GIEDI - [2 degrees into Aquarius]
Sacrifices are often made, and strange events occur in the life. There is much suspicion and mistrust.


ARMUS - [11 degrees into Aquarius]
Nagging, unstable, contemptible, spiteful.


DENEB ALGEDI - [23 degrees into Aquarius]
One's life is often full of changes, along with living on the edge. These people are usually trustworthy, just, and fair, with a knowledge of human nature.


FORMALHAUT - [3 degrees of Pisces]
Watcher of the South.
The effects of this star can be variable, for better or for worse. This star can bring success and financial wealth, but there is often very hard work along with plenty of responsibility. It can increases and amplify whatever planet it conjuncts.


DENEB ADIGE - [4 degrees of Pisces]
This star often gives above average intelligence, and an idealistic nature. Money can be made through the arts and sciences. There is often psychic talent and a likable disposition.


ACHERNAR - [15 degrees of Pisces]
Royal honors, success in public office, philosophical, patient, inclined to religion. There can be misfortune and problems with any planet at 15 degrees.


MARKAB - [23 degrees of Pisces]
There is a tendency to danger from fire, fever, cuts and blows. This star can bring good fortune, and is favorable for spiritual pursuits and meditation. Ones ambitions are often not realized.


SCHEAT - [28 degrees into Pisces]
There can be misfortune, possible suicide, drowning, one's being murdered, along with rapidly gaining and also losing friends. The nature is often unpredictable, with a tendency to fantasize.

https://www.satanisgod.org/Astro_index.html

The Need for Traditional Astrology
by Olivia Barcley
© Olivia Barcley - first published by The Astrological Journal, 1997 / The Astrological Association of Great Britain / 03.06.2019


There were some fine great trees blown down in the storm of 1987 and that is a bit how I feel about western traditional astrology. It is like some huge oak tree or redwood tree, incredibly old, but brought down in the storms of the last three centuries. Its roots are still there, buried in antiquity, but we have cut it off from its roots. 'Its roots don't matter', we said, 'we will graft bits of it onto some modern saplings, like one called psychology, or one called science, or better still let's cut it up for firewood'.

However, the main tree could still be rescued if we would only take the trouble to study it. We could still recapture the truths of traditional astrology, despite current confusion.

By traditional astrology, I mean that great canon of knowledge that has accumulated over the past thousands of years. It consists of Mundane, Horary, Nativities and Electional Astrology.

Our reason for studying the works of the past is trying to learn the methods of previous astrologers and try to improve our techniques today. It is not simply because the ways are old, or because we intend to follow on parrot fashion, it is because of the astrology they can teach us.

Astrology is the study of the action of spirit through the medium of heavenly bodies, on all manifest material matter of this earth, or as Cardan, the famous sixteenth century Italian astrologer said in my favourite aphorism, 'Heaven is the Instrument of the Most High God whereby he acts upon and Governs Inferior Things'.

Whether you believe in the Most High God or whether you call him a Universal Force or Energy, you must surely realise that you should be studying those laws which show the pattern of existence of everything there is. You should not be studying something recently thought up on the spur of the moment by someone who called himself an astrologer or psychologist. It is for us to find out those universal laws, and to strive to decipher their code, and penetrate their meaning and purpose, not to invent hypothetical methods for the sake of publicity or prestige.

There have been many such unfounded inventions during this century which have lead to distortions of the truth. We have been losing much that is of value. People have felt free to invent and add whatever they wish, even when they have no idea of what was already known in the old astrology. The changes have caused confusion and contradiction.

Some people have invented ideas to make astrology more acceptable, others to make it simpler, and some just for the sake of talking about something new. The trouble is that when someone invents a new method, someone else comes along and invents a contradictory one, and everybody is thrown into confusion because few have studied the foundations of our art sufficiently to know which, of all the variations put before them, is the correct one.

As Robert Hand said in the Foreword to my book, 'Horary Astrology Rediscovered', so much has been invented that everything at anytime can mean everything, so then nothing means anything'. I agreed with Rob Hand, the plethora of inventions has defeated its own end. He suggests we need what he calls rigour in our use of symbols, which I interpret to mean that we should have an exact knowledge of their meaning. That should be our first step.

CosmosHave you ever considered that 1,500 years ago Palchus, for one, could, with his astrology, answer a question with a clear answer. William Lilly and his contemporaries could do that in the seventeenth century, and they explained to us how to do it, but no, we must add and invent and manoeuvre until our words sound obscure and meaningless. We speak in euphemisms, forgetting to search for the nub of the matter.

As you know, I teach a course in horary. Horary is a very practical art. One virtue of it is that when you are asked a question you need to produce an answer that can be seen to be true. You cannot waffle. It is a fine test of astrology. If your answer is correct you are on the right track, you are using the right methods. You know you can drive your car because you consistently reach your destination safely. There is a great difference between driving a car and just talking about one like a car salesman. You need to know from practical experience what the accelerator is for and should resist those who instruct you falsely. There are at present many more books talking about astrology than practical, proficient working astrologers. It is easier to talk.

I am reminded of Lilly's words in his introduction to Bonatus' 'Anima Astrologiae' when he says the book is 'for those honest students that practice art to discover truth and not to vapour with it'.

No doubt there are many motives that drive us to study astrology. My own motive was to find clear evidence that the movement of heavenly bodies affected life on earth, or that a synchronicity exists between them showing that life is one - 'As above, so it is below' etc. My motive was not prediction, and yet prediction supplies such evidence. Astrology has always been concerned with prediction, although we seldom hear a serious prediction nowadays except from the weathermen. The ancient ability to predict grew from such observations, I believe, as the yearly heliacal rising of Sirius coincided with the rising of the Nile. In early days, astronomy and astrology were one, astronomy the study of physical reality and astrology the interpretation of its meaning. Observation of nature seems to have been much keener in those days and consequently they had an awareness of beauty which was considered, in Greece at least, an expression of the inner spirit.

I would like to mention some great astrologers of the past who have much to teach us. It is absurd that their work has been so ignored, just because they lived in a different culture from ours where they were not immersed in materialism and which held different standards. Presumably most of you subscribe to Project Hindsight. This is an organization once headed by Rob Hand, committed to the colossal task of translating into English all the authoritative works of past astrologers. One of the most notable in my opinion is the book by Paulus Alexandrinus written in 378 AD and now translated into English for the first time. It was significant to see that Paulus differed from Ptolemy in allocating the rulership of the water triplicity by day to Venus. But how can the average astrologer of today, unfamiliar with the Tables of Dignities of the planets, appreciate these differences, or assess the value of Alexandrinus' work at all. To do so you must first understand the traditional methods he is discussing. And that is where there is a great gap in the knowledge of the majority of present-day astrologers.

Apart from the linguistic efforts of Project Hindsight, it is very important that Graeme Tobyn has started a 'Latin for Astrologers' group in London. Here is a group of experienced astrologers who are translating directly from Latin. I am going to ask Graeme Tobyn very shortly to translate a few lines from Junctinus so that you can hear how beautiful and concise the old astrology was. Here is the chart of Mary Queen of Scots with Greame's translation.

Mary, Queen of ScotsMary, Queen of Scotland, the daughter of James V, King of the Scots, began her reign in 1542 aged seven days. Her father dead, she married Francois, the Dauphin of France, who later was proclaimed the King of France. But after the death of her husband King Francois, she now widowed left the palace and withdrew to the city of Rheims. She visited Lotharingia, then leaving Calais on a favourable wind she came to land in Scotland, was received with honour by her people and was thrown into many troubles by her arrival in the kingdom. Since, therefore, the tumult in the kingdom of Scotland was increasing more each day, the Queen, seeing the sedition by the people against her, departed and hurried on her journey to France. But on the journey she was captured by the Queen of England who imprisoned her in a castle which is commonly called Ponfre (Pontefract).

It should be abundantly clear to whoever might thus search for the former happiness and present calamity of this Queen, that fate obtains its own share in human affairs. For this Queen has in her nativity Saturn in square to Mars, which are in commutated and violent signs and have dominion in the seventh and twelfth houses. The Moon is found with the antiscion of the Sun in Capricorn, which gives a propensity for journeys. But it is the planets Mars in Aquarius in the twelfth and Saturn in Scorpio in the seventh which portend imprisonments and very many dangers and misfortunes and the death of a husband, which happened to her.

It is true that we do have a few early books already in English which we can study. For instance, you can buy 'The Astronomica' by Manilius, who lived about the time of Christ. This is a beautiful epic poem describing the beliefs of that era, including the fact that the Earth is a sphere. (The book is published by Loeb.) It contains the earliest description I know of, of the houses, showing that by that date they had emerged from a more primitive astrology where luminaries and angles had been emphasised. The houses were called by name not by numbers, as you can also find in the Tetrabiblos of Ptolemy written less than a century later.

Houses/TemplesManilius tells us that the houses were called temples, and the planets, who were the gods, had their abode in certain temples. Mercury had his abode in the first house, because of his association with the brain, the head, the tongue and the memory. Mercury gave his name, Stilbon, the Glistener, to the first house. Mercury in the first house makes the person clever and good orator. Mercury in the tenth house of success makes a successful orator. Mercury is associated with the brain.

I hear there is now a new, irresponsible invention that it is Venus who is associated with the brain. We will no doubt see each planet in turn given rulership of the brain. Where will it end? This is an example of what Robert Hand meant by lack of rigour, a laxity about the knowledge of symbols.

Each house, you see, takes on the characteristics of the planet which abides in it. Thus, the fifth, always called the house of luck, has the characteristics of Venus, pleasure, since Venus has her abode in the fifth. Manilius explains that through the temples the entire procession of the zodiac revolves, and that the planets, too, traverse them, modifying their properties.

So, you see that for at least the last 2,000 years the distinction between houses and signs has been understood in western astrology. (Hindu astrology is a different discipline.) When we are studying western astrology therefore, we should realise that the houses and the signs do not equate to each other. I quote William Lilly who wrote

'he that shall learn the nature of the planets and signs without exact judgement of the houses, is like an improvident man that furnisheth himself with household stuffe, having no place wherein to bestow them'.

Every action, every event, every person, everything in this life belongs to one of the houses. This rulership is not a matter of opinion, but of facts tried and tested by generation after generation - and that applies to all astrology.

It was therefore unfortunate when someone in this century decided to invent a new idea for teaching astrology to beginners. 'The first house', they said, 'equals the first sign Aries and therefore Mars. The second house equals Taurus and therefore Venus' - 'the alphabet of astrology' this has been called. This illustrates my point about random inventions, and has lead to confusion ever since, and such statements as 'if Libra is the 7th sign and Saturn is exalted in Libra, then Saturn must be exalted in the 7th house' which I assure you it is not. Nor could it be true that Saturn rules the eleventh house, or Jupiter the twelfth, because the eleventh is the most fortunate of houses, having taken its characteristics from Jupiter, the greater benefic.

However, there is an exception to this rule. When referring to the anatomy of the body, then there is an analogy between signs and houses, but in that respect only.

If you do not use the houses, your interpretation is without definition. It is vague, reflecting a lack of boundaries as if disconnected with this Earth.

While Manilius called the first house Stilbon, by Ptolemy's time it was called Horoscopus. When you read of the horoscope in old books, they are referring to the ascendant, not to the whole chart. The first house describes the body; it is the House of Life. In horary it represents the querent. The second house refers to the resources of the first, Lucrum - cash, Firmicus called it in the fourth century. We don't know whose abode it was, but Manilius called it the Portal of Pluto.

The third house is the abode of the Moon, for the Moon fluctuates in movement and in shape and so rules transitory things what we call communications and short journeys. It has been called the House of Brothers. In the time of Ptolemy, it was called Dea, goddess, because it was opposite the ninth house, Deus, God.Sunset For the ninth house has always been related to religion and God, and is therefore the abode of the Sun. The word 'Sun' was once synonymous with the word 'God'. Vettius Valens, in describing the configuration Jupiter trine the Sun called that Jupiter trine God. The church belongs to the ninth and in our secular society, so do philosophy and deep thought and further education and their counterpart on the physical planes, distant travel. It covers vision and dreams since they come from God. I have always thought it significant that Gauquelin found prominent athletes had Mars in this house because Mars is strengthened by the Sun, being of the same nature, hot and dry, Gauquelin's conclusion thereby upholding the traditional understanding of the nature of the planets.

I am not suggesting that astrology should stagnate and cease to develop. There is a need for discovery and creative thought and research, but I am saying that the basis of astrology should first be understood, before random rules are thought up and accepted.

For instance, a former student of mine, Lee Lehman, has taken those Mars positions found by Gauquelin and discovered by statistics that they are mainly in the terms of Mars and Saturn, which is relevant, since that provides the additional energy and endurance required by the athletes. This helps confirm the positions of the terms of the planets and has helped establish that a sign is from 0 to 29 degrees and not from 1 to 30 degrees.

The fourth house is the base of the chart, the Lower Midheaven, Ptolemy called it, and it rules solid objects one cannot carry about, like buildings and land and mines. It is the source, the beginning and the end. It rules fathers and the old. And it is the Abode of Saturn.

Mrs. Hone, in the fifties, had a bright idea. She knew that Cancer was the fourth sign, ruled by the Moon, so she invented a rule that the fourth house didn't really rule fathers, but mothers. Astrologers were again thrown into confusion and some even associated Saturn with mothers. Firmicus tells us the fourth house rules parents. However, if you refer to the mother alone, take the opposite to the fourth, that is the tenth.

Thus, in all astrology the significator of the father is the fourth house and its ruler, or the Sun by day and Saturn by night, or planets in the fourth house.

The mother is shown in all astrology by the tenth house and its ruler, or by Venus by day and the Moon by night, or planets in the tenth house.

The tenth house is the house of glory and authority. It shows one's success and standing in the world. The eleventh, as I have said, is the most fortunate of all, it rules friends. The Good Daemon, ruled by Jupiter, the Benefic. And notice that not enough attention is paid to Jupiter in our society, it is the greatest given of good, under God.

The twelfth is unfortunate and the joy of Saturn. From the twelfth comes treachery, ambush, stabs in the back and self-undoing, but also some pleasanter things like solitude and large animals.

I have not yet mentioned the other unfortunate houses. The sixth was called Laboris, work, by Manilius, and Bad Fortune by Ptolemy. Work was apparently considered undesirable then. It also describes illness and small animals. The eighth shows the resources of the seventh and the ruler of the sign on its cusp is the Lord of Death.

Traditionally the planets are of greater importance than the signs. The signs have been emphasised recently because there is money to be made from Sun sign columns. Everybody knows their Sun sign. Commercial astrology does no harm and has relaxed the tension between the public and the astrologers. We are fortunate to have been relegated to the rank of entertainers, and nobody - we hope - is going to burn Nick Campion or Bernard Fitzwalter at the stake.

But it was a different matter even at the beginning of this century when, between 1914 and 1917, Alan Leo was prosecuted for fortune telling. In vain did he protest that his delineations merely showed 'tendencies'. He had warned his client, a policeman using a false name, that he could expect a death in the family circle. And the court would not accept that such a statement was a tendency. Leo was fined. This dreadful state of affairs (and you can read all about it in Patrick Curry's book 'A Confusion of Prophets') lead Leo to modify astrology so that it did not upset public opinion or the laws of England. He watered it down to merge with theosophy and/or psychology. It was still reminiscent of the old astrology. It used the same symbols, but it was exchanged, it wasn't the real thing. It was for this mess of potage which Leo sold the inheritance of astrology. Although the witch-craft act was not rescinded until 1988, astrologers were left unmolested, being officially classified, in England, as entertainers.

The psychological angle has proved very popular during this century and indeed if one wants to be a psychologist or anything else, there is no better way than incorporating astrology.

Test tubesHowever, for those of us who are interested in pure astrology, which deals with every facet of creation, not just human character, being classified as entertainers is a two-edged sword. It has the advantage that when serious research yields results, these are dismissed, as with the Gauquelin results. And I remember a story about liquid metals that reacted when certain planets ascended in the sky. This was done in front of television cameras but could not be shown to the public because it would have contradicted our status as entertainers. And so we still have a great barrier of prejudice to overcome. It is our accepted lot to work very hard and not to be taken seriously. To amuse people by talking about their Sun sign type. It could be worse.

In serious astrology we must remember that the signs are only like adjectives, describing the planets. They are associated with four things only, countries, diseases and descriptions of physical appearance and places (Christian Astrology, p. 100).

It is the planets, in all astrology, that rule. It is to the planets that the orbs belong, not to the aspects. A planet is a sphere, and an orb is a sphere. It is commonsense that the circular orb shines around a planet like an aura. An aspect, on the other hand, is not circular. Planets must be assessed for strength in a chart, either for their essential strength, looking to see if they are in their own sign, triplicity, term, face or exaltation, which are set degrees in the zodiac, or for accidental strengths, which vary in each chart. For example, they may be angular or swift in motion, or in some way well placed.

We do not have the original work of Ptolemy with his original Tables of Essential Dignities of the planets, but I use the version given by Lilly in Christian Astrology because Lilly put it to practical use, and also because it is close to Al Biruni's version from the eleventh century.

Ptolemy's astrology, in fact all astrology, was banned from Europe in the fifth century. It was rescued and preserved by the Arabs. Ptolemy's work was translated into Arabic. European and Arabic astrology merged. Those centuries produced famous Arab and Jewish astrologers, Al Kindi and Abu Masha were Arabic, and Abraham Ibn Ezra was Jewish. If you have been to the old synagogue in Cairo, you may have heard of him because it was named after him when he paid off their debts. It was not until the thirteenth century that astrology crept back into Europe via Spain and Italy. Ptolemy was translated back into Latin from Arabic. His work was taught in all universities for three centuries. He had been a great man, had written on music, geography, optics, astronomy; he had calculated the distance of the Moon from the Earth. He had enormous impact on astrological thought.

It was really Bonatus who brought an enthusiasm for astrology back into Europe. Bonatus, like Lilly after him, set about to instruct students in our art. His books are addressed to readers who do not yet know much astrology. Project Hindsight just translated some of his work, and of course I greatly enjoyed reading his section on horary. For one thing, Bonatus is at pains to explain to us the importance of reception, how the efficacy of some aspects depends on reception and on the nature of the planets involved.

It is clear that Lilly was conversant with and inspired by the work of Bonatus as he was by Ptolemy. Incidentally, if you read Ptolemy you will note again the importance of dispositors. When he describes planets to us, he describes them as dispositors of Eclipses.

There was one remark in Bonatus that struck a note which was foreign to Lilly. 'A planet in its fall or detriment', he says, 'cannot receive another'. At first you think, 'of course it can't; if it isn't in an essential dignity, how could it disposit another?' But then, what about the Moon in Capricorn? The Moon is in its detriment in Capricorn, but it rules the night triplicity of earth signs, can it not receive in its triplicity?

Or Mars in its fall in Cancer, yet it rules the water triplicity. I do not know the answer to that and will leave you to work it out.

Without recourse to the Tables of Dignities of the planets you cannot know the strength of a planet or its dispositor, nor the almuten of a particular degree or of the whole chart. The chart becomes pretty featureless.

Elizabeth, Queen of
EnglandChart 2 shows the chart of Queen Elizabeth the First of England. Perhaps the earliest English astrologer we think of is John Dee, personal astrologer to Her Majesty. He was an important and wealthy man of her court and he was also foreign agent for Elizabeth, calling himself 007. He is famous, amongst other things, for his Electional chart for the Queen's coronation in 1559. In those days, the prosperity of her reign would have been acknowledged to depend on the beneficity of the moment elected. I have shown this in my book because it teaches us useful lessons. It demonstrates the need to refer to a nativity when doing an Electional chart.

As Geoffrey Cornelius once pointed out, the luminaries of the Coronation chart are trine the benefics, Jupiter and Venus, in the nativity of the Queen. So, you can look at that, and you will see on the Coronation chart. (Coronation Moon at 20 degrees Aries trine natal Jupiter at 20 degrees Sagittarius, and Coronation Sun 4 degrees Aquarius trine natal Venus at 3 Libra). The chart shown here is by Gadbury, and shows a Sagittarius Ascendant but Junctinius, a contemporary of Elizabeth, gives Capricorn. But whichever is correct the correspondence between luminaries and benefics remains.

Coronation of Elizabeth
IIn such a chart too, Fixed Stars should be used because, as Bonatus tells us,

'the Fixed Stars confer great gifts and elevate from poverty to an extreme height of fortune, the planets do not'.

The Fixed Stars will give lasting effects and should be used in all foundations or cases where the situation will last long. Here the Moon is trine Fortuna and Regulus, Royal Star, confering glory, honour and fame. Aspects to Fortuna should always be considered; the Moon aspecting Fortuna is not void. (People who produce those little tables to show when the Moon will be void of course overlook that fact.) As I mentioned, another contemporary of Elizabeth was Junctinus, and now I would like to ask Graeme Tobyn to translate from Latin a passage from that great astrologer.

This most serene Queen has in her nativity five planets in their essential dignities, namely Jupiter and Venus in their domiciles, the Moon in her exaltation and joy, Mercury in his triplicity and Mars in his decan. On account of which, she obtained her father's kingdom and inheritance. Yea, the great Conjunction in the year 1484 which was much spoken of, exactly in 21 degrees of Scorpio has shown her the greatness of her power and authority, and the marks of honour and has adorned her life with evident dignity, made her famous and graced her with a crown. Likewise, Venus and Mercury in her own sign shows a charming manner of speech, eloquence and goodwill among all nations, while the Moon in Taurus has undoubtedly signified an uncommon skill in various languages and a knowledge of very many sciences.




The climax for western astrology was really in the seventeenth century when Lilly wrote his masterpiece Christian Astrology, completed in 1647 and over 870 pages long. This is the definitive book on traditional astrology. It is concerned with Nativities as well as Horary, but the methods and techniques he shows, once understood, are relevant to all astrology. Lilly had access to a library of over 300 books and from these he translated from Latin into English.

Lilly was a man of enormous experience. Derek Parker tells us in his biography of Lilly, Familiar to All, that there are casebooks containing file on file of astrological charts, over 4,000, between June 1654 and September 1656. Lilly was a prodigious worker. It was he who advised Parliament during the civil wars, and he became very famous. He was proficient in Latin and in astrology. Of course, he did not translate 300 books, word for word, but because he was immersed in his subject, he was able to discriminate and select just the cream of the information that was enough to teach students of astrology to become proficient. Not only did he draw on the greatest brains of the past, he was able to give us the added benefit of his own conclusions. He was able to explain that a certain authority advocated one method, and another had a different idea, but he himself had found another yet more succinct solution. Lilly illustrates his reasoning with clear charts so that we can all study the techniques and methods he has explained. We can try out for ourselves and if we would do, we will find it works. If anyone should deny that, you will know that they have not tried it out correctly or are inexperienced astrologers. Lilly really knew what he was talking about.

As Lilly wrote, he was shut away indoors, unable to go out because of the plague. Having buried one servant of it he was expecting death daily. I have often thought that such circumstances account for the sincerity and truthfulness of his book. So many details are explained painstakingly for the purpose of instructing students clearly, in an organized way. This is a colossal achievement (think of handwriting 870 pages)!

There were other distinguished astrologers; Galileo (we have a chart for the time he discovered Neptune but thought it was a moon of Jupiter) and Mercator the geographer; Newton, Kepler, Regiomontanus and Flamsteed, to mention a few.

GreenwichFlamsteed was the Astronomer Royal who elected the chart for the foundation of the Greenwich Observatory in 1675. I am showing it to you now because it may be relevant to the success of the millennium arrangements which will take place in Greenwich. The chart demonstrates that Flamsteed was a brilliant astrologer, first by his use of the Fixed Stars.

Spica, a very benefic star, conferring honours and fame, is positioned on the MC, and Regulus, Royal Star, is conjunction the Sun. That is for August 1675. As I said, we use Fixed Stars for foundations because they give permanence.

And secondly, Flamsteed proves his brilliance by his use of the antiscia position of Jupiter. Jupiter rules the Ascendant and as such represents our nation. At first sight its position in the twelfth house looks unfortunate, but no, its antiscia or solstice point falls exactly on the second cusp of wealth, and this brought wealth to our nation and prosperity ever since. To understand the solstice point you should draw a line between 0 Cancer and 0 Capricorn, and then you reflect one side onto the other.

After Lilly, astrology in this country declined. It became unpalatable to the growing scientific attitudes of the eighteenth century. This is fully explained in Patrick Curry's book, The Prophesy and the Power, in which he tells us of the formation of the Royal Society, a group of well-meaning, reasonable men who would have accepted astrologers or anyone else who could prove scientifically what they were doing. They believed that once astrology had been turned into a science that was reliably proved, it would naturally regain people's admiration. Sadly, there are still some of us hoping to do just that. But some things cannot be proved; art, love, music. The effects of these things can be observed but not scientifically proved, and it is more or less the same with astrology. If there are facts can be proved, and Gauquelin did that, then prejudice dismisses them.

And so, with each successive generation the astrological knowledge of the seventeenth century was watered down, distorted and misunderstood.

During this talk I have mentioned several authors whom I hope working astrologers will resolve to read. Namely the authors of the seventeenth century. Lilly first and foremost, and his contemporaries, Gadbury, who veered towards Nativities; Ramesay who specialized in Elections; Culpeper, the famous astrologer-herbalist; Saunders the physician; Henry Coley and George Wharton, astrologer to Charles I. If you will study those seventeenth century books you will find they are a stepping stone to understanding of earlier authors, even to antiquity. But there is no shortcut. Today's expectation of quick results will not help you to do good astrology. This is the most wonderful knowledge and takes years to acquire. But it is worth it.

If you are interested in Elections, you will be amazed at Schoener beside whom modern writers such as Robson, pale into insignificance. Schoener should be read in conjunction with Lilly as the two complement each other. Besides Schoener there are Ramsey and Bonincontrius to study. Natal astrologers might read the Natal section of Christian Astrology, but you will need the earlier part of the book to follow the methods used. John Frawley tells me that Antonius Montulmo is another important writer, which Project Hindsight translated. If you are interested in Horary my book is easy to follow, and Barbara Watter's Horary Astrology and the Judgement of Events, but no good work can be done without studying William Lilly. There is now a translation of Bonatus' horary by Project Hindsight. If you are interested in herbalism Graeme Tobyn is just writing a book about Culpeper. For general use, I recommend Lee Lehman's Book of Rulerships. And, of course, none of us can omit The Combination of Stellar Influences. Did you know Firmicus mentions midpoints in the fourth century?

So now it is time to take the bull by the horns and re-investigate the old astrology in all its beauty. Once you have hold of it you can never let it go.

Note:
This article is the transcript of the Carter Memorial Lecture, delivered at the 1996 Exeter Conference of the Astrological Association. Nicholas Campion introduced the lecture with the following words:
"Olivia Barclay is an astrologer of some repute, I'd say. Many people, when they first meet her, think 'what a nice lady', but Olivia has been the cause of a minor earthquake in many parts of the English speaking world, in addition to Germany and Italy and other countries, over the last fifteen years, mainly because she insisted that the smal number of people, as it was in those days, who studied horary were using texts which were doctored and bastardised during the 19th century. It was Olivia's photocopied editions of William Lilly's 1647 masterpiece 'Christian Astrology', which lay behind Regulus' 1985 republication of this work, the first astrological textbook to be written in English. That represented, if you like, the coming of age of astrology in England and it was the first time those people who didn't read or speak Latin could study astrology. It was Olivia who introduced us to that work, restoring a direct line of astrological interpretation extending back to the classical world. That line had been broken when astrology went out of fashion in the late 17th century and had to be rediscovered in the 1980s bit by bit. The republication of 'Christian Astrology' at a time when, I think, the consensus was that the future of astrology lay in its marriage with depth psychology. Olivia suddenly drew people back to the realisation that there was a very precise technical way of working with astrology to make precise judgements concerning external events. Out of Olivia's work has come a plethora of magazines, the Horary Messenger, the Horary Practitioner, the Traditional Astrologer, as well as schools of traditional and classical astrology both in the UK and the United States, led, of course by her own school. It is interesting to see people who have been studying astrology for twenty or thirty years enrolling in Olivia's school. It is perhaps too early to assess her long-term importance, but she has single handedly transformed the way we think about astrology in the 1990s. Her impact so far is really quite monumental."



First published by: The Astrological Journal, Jan/Feb 1997

Author:
Olivia Barclay (1919-2001) was a horary astrologer with well over 30 years experience of the subject. She taught four principals of other horary courses which studied and then taught the Qualifying Horary Diploma Course. Most periodicals devoted to horary astrology are produced by former students of the course, The Horary Practitioner, The Traditional Astrologer, The Astrologer's Apprentice, etc. In 1980 Barclay obtained a rare original 1647 edition of William Lilly's 'Christian Astrology'. At the time there were perhaps 20 originals still extant - mostly in museums. From this edition Regulus published 2,000 volumes, now studied worldwide.

Charles Darwin, a naturalist and biologist who proposed the theory of evolution by natural selection and wrote On the Origin of Species. He was born on February 12, 1809, with Spica conjunct the south node at 0°16′ in Libra1.

Johannes Kepler

Johannes Kepler, a mathematician and astronomer who formulated the laws of planetary motion and is considered one of the founders of modern astronomy. He was born on December 27, 1571, with Spica conjunct the south node at 0°19′ in Libra1.

Marilyn Monroe

Marilyn Monroe, a film actress, model, and sex symbol who became one of the most popular and iconic stars of Hollywood. She was born on June 1, 1926, with Spica conjunct the south node at 0°21′ in Libra1.

Martin Luther King Jr.

Martin Luther King Jr., a civil rights leader, activist, and Nobel laureate who led the nonviolent movement for racial equality and delivered the famous “I Have a Dream” speech. He was born on January 15, 1929, with Spica conjunct the south node at 0°23′ in Libra1.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, a composer and musician who is widely regarded as one of the greatest and most influential composers of all time. He was born on January 27, 1756, with Spica conjunct the south node at 0°25′ in Libra1.

Mahatma Gandhi

Mahatma Gandhi, a political leader, activist, and Nobel laureate who led the nonviolent movement for India’s independence from British rule and inspired millions of people around the world. He was born on October 2, 1869, with Spica conjunct the south node at 0°28′ in Libra1.

Leonardo da Vinci

Leonardo da Vinci, a Renaissance polymath who excelled in art, science, engineering, invention, anatomy, and more. He is widely regarded as one of the greatest geniuses of all time. He was born on April 15, 1452, with Spica conjunct the south node at 0°30′ in Libra1.

William Shakespeare

William Shakespeare, a playwright and poet who is widely regarded as the greatest writer in the English language and one of the greatest dramatists of all time. He was born on April 23, 1564, with Spica conjunct the south node at 0°32′ in Libra1.

CAPELLA associated with nature and natural disaster like earthquakes?

The fixed star Capella (Alpha Aurigae), located at approximately 21° Gemini in the constellation Auriga, has a rich astrological and mythological history. Below, I explore its associations with nature and natural disasters like earthquakes, based on astrological sources and the provided web results, while critically examining the information for relevance and reliability.Capella’s Associations with NatureCapella, meaning "little she-goat" in Latin, is deeply tied to pastoral and natural imagery across cultures:Mythological and Cultural Ties: Capella is associated with the goat Amalthea in Greek mythology, who suckled Zeus, symbolizing nurturing and the natural world. In Mesopotamian astronomy, it was linked to the constellation "GAM" (a scimitar or crook), representing pastoral life, and in ancient Peru, it was called Colca, significant to shepherds. Bedouin astronomers saw Auriga’s stars as a herd of goats, and Capella was sometimes called the "Shepherd’s Star" in English literature, reinforcing its connection to rural, natural settings.

Astrological Symbolism: In astrology, Capella is linked to a love of country life and pastoral activities. Robson notes that its natives are "fond of country life and may be a teacher or have the upbringing of young people," suggesting an affinity for natural, nurturing environments.

Behenian Star Properties: As one of the 15 Behenian fixed stars in medieval astrology, Capella is associated with the plants mint, horehound, mugwort, mandrake and the gemstone sapphire, used in rituals to harness its influence. These botanical connections further tie Capella to the natural world, as these plants were believed to channel its energy for wealth and civic honors.

These associations clearly link Capella to nature, particularly pastoral and nurturing aspects, reflecting a harmonious relationship with the natural environment.Capella’s Association with Natural Disasters (Earthquakes)The connection between Capella and natural disasters like earthquakes is less direct but present in specific astrological contexts:Astrological Indications: According to George Noonan in Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology (1990), the constellation Auriga, with Capella as its brightest star, is considered "one of the most fortunate constellations in the sky, but may still portend earthquakes if situated unfortunately as regards a solar eclipse." This suggests that Capella’s influence on earthquakes is conditional, depending on its placement relative to a solar eclipse in a mundane chart.

Critical Note: This claim is not universally corroborated across astrological sources, and the provided web results do not offer specific examples of Capella’s placement during historical earthquakes. The reference to solar eclipses implies a complex astrological configuration (e.g., Capella conjunct the Sun during an eclipse or on a chart’s angles), which would require precise analysis beyond general star influence.

Classical Portents: In classical times, Capella was seen as a portent of rain, which connects it to weather-related natural phenomena but not directly to geophysical events like earthquakes. Rain, while a natural event, is distinct from the seismic activity associated with earthquakes.

Planetary Influences: Capella is astrologically linked to Mars and Mercury (per Ptolemy) or Mercury and the Moon (per Alvidas), with a weaker Neptunian influence.

Mars: Associated with shocks, disruptions, and fires, Mars could theoretically contribute to earthquake-like energy in specific configurations, as Mars is noted in mundane astrology for causing "shocks and breaks things up."

Mercury: Linked to intellectual curiosity and communication, it has little direct connection to geophysical disasters.
Neptune: In mundane astrology, Neptune is associated with tsunamis and oceanic disturbances, which can be triggered by earthquakes. However, Capella’s Neptunian influence is described as weak, limiting its relevance to such events.

Critical Note: While Mars and Neptune are implicated in natural disasters (earthquakes and tsunamis, respectively), Capella’s primary Mars-Mercury nature does not strongly align with seismic activity unless amplified by other factors (e.g., angular placement or eclipse aspects).

Lack of Specific Evidence: The web results do not provide concrete examples of Capella’s involvement in historical earthquake events, unlike planets like Pluto (upheaval), Uranus (sudden events), or Jupiter (large-scale effects), which are more explicitly linked to earthquakes in mundane astrology. The claim about Auriga portending earthquakes appears to be a general statement rather than a well-documented pattern tied to Capella specifically.

Critical EvaluationNature Connection: Capella’s association with nature is well-established through its mythological and astrological ties to goats, shepherds, and pastoral life, as well as its ritual connections to plants. This makes it a symbol of nurturing and rural environments, consistent across multiple sources.
Earthquake Connection: The link to earthquakes is tenuous and conditional. The single reference to Auriga potentially portending earthquakes during unfortunate solar eclipse configurations lacks detailed corroboration or examples. Modern mundane astrology emphasizes planets like Pluto, Uranus, and Neptune for earthquakes, with fixed stars like Capella playing a secondary role at best. The absence of specific historical data tying Capella to seismic events suggests this association is speculative and not a primary characteristic.

Limitations: Astrological interpretations of fixed stars often rely on traditional texts, which can be vague or inconsistent. The lack of precise astrological charts or case studies in the provided results limits the ability to verify Capella’s role in natural disasters. Additionally, the term "natural disaster" in modern contexts is critiqued for oversimplifying human contributions to disaster impacts, which astrology does not typically address.

ConclusionNature: Capella is strongly associated with nature, particularly through its pastoral symbolism (goats, shepherds) and botanical connections (mint, horehound, etc.), reflecting a nurturing, rural essence.
Natural Disasters (Earthquakes): Capella’s association with earthquakes is weak and conditional, mentioned only in the context of Auriga’s potential to portend earthquakes if poorly placed during a solar eclipse. Its primary Mars-Mercury nature and weak Neptunian influence do not strongly align with seismic activity, and no specific evidence ties Capella to historical earthquakes. Its classical link to rain is a closer but still distinct connection to natural phenomena.

If you’re seeking a deeper analysis (e.g., Capella’s placement in a specific mundane chart or its role in other natural disasters), please provide additional details, and I can explore further!

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DENEB ADIGE ALPHA CYGNI 5°♓ #Pisces Cygnus The Swan gives a contemplative dreamy and adaptable nature. The affections are Illl- regulated and unsteady, and talents developed late. There’s some love of water and swimming and the arts.

On Deneb Adige: This star in the tail of Cygnus, the swan, evokes the beautiful, melancholic call of the majestic bird, which was “consecrated to Apollo, being the god of music,” able to express “melancholy, passion, and self-sacrifice,” through its song.

Also, Deneb Adige: strong will, strong temper. Indeed.😑

http://brad3.website/2019/11/02/alderamin-star-the-king/

Ascendant conjunct Alderamin: When rising, fixed star Alderamin indicates austere natives - those who always assume the countenance of upright characters, and are feared for their severity. If the Ascendant is aspected by either Venus or Mercury while Alderamin is rising the indications are for a career in the theater as a writer of dramas or as an actor.

Arcturus, Bear Leader-Guardian, means observer of the Great Bear, or the Saucepan or Big Dipper, respectively. Main star of constellation Bootis (driver of oxen) has a Jupiter-Mars nature, and a reputation of achieving justice through power. It therefore makes the native belligerent and quarrelsome, especially if attached to Mars and Jupiter by conjunction.SPICA

Spica is one of the 15 Behenian Fixed Stars. Its image is a bird, or a man laden with merchandise. It gives riches, overcomes contentions, and removes scarcity and mischief. Rules emerald, sage, trefoil, periwinkle, mugwort and mandrake. [1]

Spica, as already said, is one of the truly great stars in the sky, the one which gave us our word ‘star’, and at least as important as the four archangel stars…The considerable distance between Spica and its nearest neighbors has inspired some cultures to call it ‘The Lonely One’ and names like that, often to distinguish it from the equally prominent Arcturus, on almost the same Zodiacal longitude but higher in the sky and much closer to its neighbors in Bootes.

Astrologically, Spica is a ‘Good Star’, and no doubt it still is, if we don’t contemplate our descendants’ fates in 5 million years time. Our friend classified it as a Venus-Mars type, the only one of that kind. The combination of the opposite sexes in the one star must inspire a further thought about the androgynous qualities we have already noted with Virgo, but it is doubtful that Ptolemy noted that. As the star of the grain harvest, it is the provider of our material needs, and indeed it does always show up well in that respect. There is, however, a word of warning to go with it: We only reap harvest if we have first sown the seed and cared for the fields, and what we reap must last us, and all who labored in our fields, until the next harvest is ready. He does not do so well from Spica who reaps what he has not sown, uses it profligately, or denies to others their share i his good fortune. As though to rub this in quite firmly, Arcturus in the sky above the Virgin’s Hand is the prime star of the much rougher character, the Herdsman, just as ready to take care of his herd but not to stand any nonsense from them.

Spica is also noted for its spiritual and religious qualities, as we must expect after all we have seen about Virgo, and indeed people with this star strong in their horoscopes do very often gain high place in those fields of life. Psychic awareness is also above average in such people, especially if the more sensitive planets, Moon, Venus, Neptune or Lilith are conjunct Spica. [3]

To Spica are ascribed honors and fame. Spica is of marked good fortune for scientists, writers, artist-painters, sculptors and musicians. If Spica is on the Asc or Meridian and conjunction Jupiter and Venus, promise is given even to people of humble origins to enjoy protection, preferment and even wealth. In conjunction with Mercury or Venus and positioned on the Meridian or Asc, Spica gives artistic skill, drawing ability, musical talent and a good sense for literature and the sciences.

However, if Spica is placed in angular houses and conjoined with Saturn, Mars, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto, and if these planets are afflicted, a rise followed by a downfall with tragic ending could be the result. In 1923, when, as a result of inflation in Germany, many people became poverty stricken, Spica was bound up with Saturn. In a personal cosmogram, Spica means refinement. Such people have a noble bearing. Increased erotic tension, usually given with a Venus-Mars interpretation, is not the case with Spica, but a tendency to sublimate these powers and turn them into artistic and creative channels is indicated. [4]

Spica star rules the navel in the human body. [5]

Virgo Constellation
Ptolemy makes the following observations; “The stars in the head of Virgo, and that at the top of the southern wing, operate like Mercury and somewhat like Mars: the other bright stars in the same wing, and those about the girdle, resemble Mercury in their influence, and also Venus, moderately . . . those at the points of the feet and at the bottom of the garments are like Mercury, and also Mars, moderately.” By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Gimel and the 3rd Tarot Trump “The Empress.” [1]

This constellation is indicative of an abundance in harvest and a fruitfulness of agriculture in general. But when prominent in the charts of eclipses it portends events concerning kings (heads of state) and in this regard can be an ill omen indeed. [2]

In astrology this constellation and Gemini were the House of Mercury. But usually, and far more appropriately, Virgo’s stars have been given over to the care of Ceres, her namesake, the long-time goddess of the harvest. For her astrological colors Virgo assumed black speckled with blue; and was thought of as governing the abdomen in the human body, but always as an unfortunate, sterile sign. The appearance of a comet within its borders implied many grievous ills to the female portion of the population. [6]

14th Arabic Manzil – Al Simak
Causes marital love, cures the sick, helps sailors but hinders journeys by land.

With Moon: Dig but do not marry or travel.

Ist Chinese Xiù – 角 (Jiǎo) Horn
Excellent for construction or buying land. It represents agriculture, new generations, growth, and births. All who marry on this day gain great credit and standing and especially favors the marriage of the eldest son of the family.

Calamities and epidemics in the family within three years if funerals are planned on this day. If the Moon occults Spica at a key event, one should hold grave fears.

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Fixed star Spica conjunct south node in astrology is a rare and powerful combination that indicates a person who has a strong connection to their past lives and spiritual gifts. Spica is the brightest star in the constellation of Virgo and represents the ear of wheat that the goddess holds in her hand. It is a star of abundance, success, fame, and fortune1. The south node, also known as Ketu, is the point where the moon’s orbit crosses the ecliptic from north to south. It represents the lessons and karma that we bring from our previous incarnations and what we need to release or balance in this life2.

When Spica conjuncts the south node, it means that the person has a special destiny and a mission to fulfill in this life. They have inherited talents, skills, and wisdom from their past lives that can help them achieve great things in this world. They may also have a strong intuition, psychic abilities, or a connection to the divine3. However, they also face some challenges and temptations along the way. They may have to deal with issues of pride, arrogance, greed, or misuse of power. They may also have to overcome some fears, doubts, or insecurities that stem from their past karma. They may have to learn to balance their material and spiritual aspirations and to use their gifts for the benefit of others4.

Spica conjunct south node is a rare and auspicious alignment that can bring fame, fortune, and spiritual growth to the person who has it in their natal chart. However, it also requires responsibility, humility, and generosity to fulfill its potential. The person who has this combination should be aware of their past karma and their present purpose and use their talents wisely and compassionately.

Learn more:

1. astrologyking.com
2. mysticalprophet.com
3. astrologyweekly.com
4. lipstickalley.com





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